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Exalted 3 - What the hell?

Started by DisgruntleFairy, February 24, 2014, 01:51:28 AM

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DisgruntleFairy

#150
March 12, 2014, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: Grymbok;736067I found the question about "what do you do in this game?" and resulting non-answers interesting (IIRC the first answer was just "you play one of the Exalted"). Ultimately I think some people are possibly being a bit disingenuous with the re-asking of the question - as a non-Exalted player it looks to me from what's been said so far that the answer is simply that there isn't a default mode of play for Exalted. Which is a perfectly reasonable answer, if a non-optimal one (as you're then basically falling back on either setting mastery or strong pre-game player-defined goals to drive play).

It is a valid question but it seems to me if you want to promote the game its a question that you want to develop a good answer for.

But your right some people maybe pushing it unfairly.

Nexus

#151
March 12, 2014, 01:07:42 PM Last Edit: March 12, 2014, 01:16:01 PM by Nexus
Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;736066What bothers me even more is that the Developer stopped posting in his own hype thread after a day! None of the other developers picked it up and continued it or bothered to even show up. I know you visit the forum because two of the primary writers of the book are moderators on that forum! If Hatewheel couldn't continue the thread one of the others should have.

If you cant manage to build good will (or hang around) in your own threads that you start then something is wrong. How are people supposed to trust you and your development skills when you cant answer simple boilerplate questions well or show up?

Sometimes the Exalted crew gives off a vibe like they're annoyed by their own fanbase. But frankly, that was prevalent with White Wolf overall.
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 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Warthur

#152
March 12, 2014, 01:43:57 PM
I have to say, the split between the way Onyx Path is handling Exalted and the cool shit they're bringing out for World of Darkness (both incarnations) is surprising. Vampire 20th is the best edition of V:tM ever made, Blood and Smoke has made Requiem a really exciting alternative, they're finally shifting to making products to meet particular needs and to provide a high level of bang for the buck rather than padding things out with excessive verbiage and cranking out product for the sake of it, and in general the World of Darkness are more interesting (to me at least) than they've ever been.

Then you look at Exalted and there's... this.
I am no longer posting here or reading this forum because Pundit has regularly claimed credit for keeping this community active. I am sick of his bullshit for reasons I explain here and I don\'t want to contribute to anything he considers to be a personal success on his part.

I recommend The RPG Pub as a friendly place where RPGs can be discussed and where the guiding principles of moderation are "be kind to each other" and "no politics". It\'s pretty chill so far.

Snowman0147

#153
March 12, 2014, 02:54:35 PM
No shit...  As much as I don't like some of the writers of those books at times I have to hand credit when it is due.  The world of darkness books are fucking amazing.  I just talk to some one who read demon the descent beta.  Lets just say I am highly impress with the cover system and the soul pacts.  Point is nWoD and cWoD is getting impressive.

Then we have exalted which seems to not be doing much at all.  People are getting piss off and I can see why.  There is no communication.  No showing off any work at all.  Come on Holden nobody is going to steal your idea so how about you start showing some of your work.  Give us some clue as what is going on other than, "Trust us guys."

DisgruntleFairy

#154
March 12, 2014, 03:14:04 PM
Quote from: Nexus;736098Sometimes the Exalted crew gives off a vibe like they're annoyed by their own fanbase. But frankly, that was prevalent with White Wolf overall.

There is definitely a lot of the bad old days of White Wolf in the Exalted crews attitude. Which kinda sucks because it was bad enough then but now its really intolerable.

Quote from: Warthur;736107I have to say, the split between the way Onyx Path is handling Exalted and the cool shit they're bringing out for World of Darkness (both incarnations) is surprising. Vampire 20th is the best edition of V:tM ever made, Blood and Smoke has made Requiem a really exciting alternative, they're finally shifting to making products to meet particular needs and to provide a high level of bang for the buck rather than padding things out with excessive verbiage and cranking out product for the sake of it, and in general the World of Darkness are more interesting (to me at least) than they've ever been.

Then you look at Exalted and there's... this.

The difference between the two is really shocking. It kinda highlights why I'm so frustrated with the whole thing. It seems like they are completely ignoring the lessons that some of the other design groups have learned.

Nexus

#155
March 12, 2014, 03:23:22 PM Last Edit: March 12, 2014, 08:05:16 PM by Nexus
Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;736131The difference between the two is really shocking. It kinda highlights why I'm so frustrated with the whole thing. It seems like they are completely ignoring the lessons that some of the other design groups have learned.

Or think they're such rock stars and that the fans are so hooked that they can do whatever the Hell they want and still make sales.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Warboss Squee

#156
March 12, 2014, 04:08:07 PM
Quote from: Nexus;736098Sometimes the Exalted crew gives off a vibe like they're annoyed by their own fanbase. But frankly, that was prevalent with White Wolf overall.

To be fair, I'm annoyed by most of their fanbase.

Snowman0147

#157
March 12, 2014, 04:27:20 PM
If they keep it up this might be a better a alternative.  Just saying guys.  Fate does have a momentum mechanic as you try to earn freebie aspects to use against your foe.

Nexus

#158
March 12, 2014, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: Snowman0147;736150If they keep it up this might be a better a alternative.  Just saying guys.  Fate does have a momentum mechanic as you try to earn freebie aspects to use against your foe.

Unfortunately I don't care for FATE. I could adapt Exalted to a couple of other systems but I'm also incredibly lazy :D
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Nexus

#159
March 12, 2014, 05:48:12 PM
Sometimes Exalted seems to be trying to serve too many masters. It's supposed to be high action wuxia sword and sorcery realistically gritty, heroically shades of gray game of adventure game with a little Master of Magic and Civilization thrown into the mix. At least by the hype.

Then you've got a phonebook of splats that are all equally heroic, antagonistic and important to the bleakly optimistic metaplot that doesn't exist.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

The Butcher

#160
March 12, 2014, 06:59:08 PM
Quote from: Nexus;736132Or they're such rock stars and their fans so hooked they can do whatever the Hell they want and still make sales.

I suspect it's the other way around, actually; pandering to the fanbase. They're saying that everything's gonna be all right and that the gangrene thing will sort itself out when they should be reaching for the knife and the bone saw.

Nexus

#161
March 12, 2014, 08:07:16 PM
Quote from: One Horse Town;736042It's fucking hilarious that they can still fuck things up when they've had free access and control of the biggest general RPG board out there for years.

Jesus, half the staff at RPGnet are, or were, WW staffers and writers.

It's free gravy and they still manage to shit in it.


Why does a hobby that's mostly about communication seem to attract so many people that are so bad at communication...
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Snowman0147

#162
March 12, 2014, 08:38:32 PM
Because the hobby used to cater to people that just played at home and had fun.  It also catered to people who were not so popular in school among other students which hey thank you Tom Hanks.  That Monster and Mazes really help share what the hobby was really all about.  

Okay sarcasm out of the way let me go forward.  Dealing with a massive amount of people and forming good public reputation wasn't even part of that deal when the hobby started.  Though you would think Holden and gang would had gotten the clue they needed some one who is good with PR.  This is largely their fuck up and I am surprise Onyx Path hadn't done something about it yet.

Warthur

#163
March 13, 2014, 08:12:57 AM
To be fair, there's also the long-running nastiness with John Morke's medical situation and making alarming statements about 3E being his epitaph, which isn't exactly easy to deal with even if you are a PR wizard.

Though I do think they need to relieve him of his responsibilities to the project so he can see to his own well-being. So far as I can tell, the Exalted fans generally don't actually want him to die so that the book can live.
I am no longer posting here or reading this forum because Pundit has regularly claimed credit for keeping this community active. I am sick of his bullshit for reasons I explain here and I don\'t want to contribute to anything he considers to be a personal success on his part.

I recommend The RPG Pub as a friendly place where RPGs can be discussed and where the guiding principles of moderation are "be kind to each other" and "no politics". It\'s pretty chill so far.

DisgruntleFairy

#164
March 13, 2014, 01:59:17 PM
Quote from: Snowman0147;736213Because the hobby used to cater to people that just played at home and had fun.  It also catered to people who were not so popular in school among other students which hey thank you Tom Hanks.  That Monster and Mazes really help share what the hobby was really all about.  

Okay sarcasm out of the way let me go forward.  Dealing with a massive amount of people and forming good public reputation wasn't even part of that deal when the hobby started.  Though you would think Holden and gang would had gotten the clue they needed some one who is good with PR.  This is largely their fuck up and I am surprise Onyx Path hadn't done something about it yet.

I'm kinda surprised about that too. I think the first thing I would say after the whole debacle with the previews is. "We are hiring someone to talk to the public for you. They will look over everything you release. None of you are to talk to the public anymore."

Quote from: Warthur;736258To be fair, there's also the long-running nastiness with John Morke's medical situation and making alarming statements about 3E being his epitaph, which isn't exactly easy to deal with even if you are a PR wizard.

Though I do think they need to relieve him of his responsibilities to the project so he can see to his own well-being. So far as I can tell, the Exalted fans generally don't actually want him to die so that the book can live.

Yeah the whole situation is weird and very distasteful.


Ok, to be fair Stephen has stepped in and started to answer questions in the thread.
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