Quote from: One Horse Town;861793They're talking bollocks and circling the wagons.

I have no dog in this race to be honest, but i've found the constant haranguing of GMS over Far West by a not inconsiderable number of OP writers rather amusing given what's been happening with Exalted. I seem to recall a lot of people laughing over some artwork in Far West being 'traced' - now, shock horror, some stuff has 'got through' after the 2 year wait for ex3.

I find the schadenfreude delectable.

On the surface, it's "only" 4 or 5 RPG.net mods who also work for Onyx Path (Matt McFarland, Rose Bailey, Holden, Stephenls, and Jill Valentine)

Still, some of those mods are VERY active...throw in other Onyx Path writers like Stew Wilson as regular posters and it's a wonder you can even criticize anything made by Onyx Path in the first place.

So who 2ants to take the hit and actually run this sucker in the pbp subforum.

The more I read, the gladder I get that I downgraded my pledge to just the pdf. There is some stuff I like(the new setting info and the play as these exalted section), but most of it (like the cover art) is just not doing it for me.

I do dig Wu-Jian though.

Wu Jian is that sprawling layered slum looking city?

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;861759Attention, game publishers:

NO ART IS BETTER THAN POSER ART.

Seriously. No joke. It's the ultimate red flag of half-assed amateurism.

What would you call trying to pass off grainy photographs of GI Joe figures as "game book art"?

(Because seriously that's what R.Talsorian did with one edition of Cyberpunk.)

Quote from: Nexus;861847Wu Jian is that sprawling layered slum looking city?

That seems to be the case. It gets only a paragraph description in the setting chapter like everything else, but the fiction at the beginning talks about it more. I tend not to read fiction ever, but I read two pages of it. It made me realize why I don't read rpg chapter fiction again.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;861835So who 2ants to take the hit and actually run this sucker in the pbp subforum.

I probably could if there was enough interest here. If there isn't I could do it somewhere like Giant in the Playground forums. Dice roller could be orokos.com since it provides bb code for posting in a forum. If it's at gitp I think they have forum dice rolling. It's going to be a week or two though.

Hello! OP here...

Well here we are 2 years after the original release date (almost sorta) and we have the pdf.

There is some bad art. Like wow really bad art and some really nice art.

The system is... understandable. Which I suppose is an improvement from 2e.

Yet at the same time its a fuck ton of things to track turn to turn. And frankly Dex has always been the god stat in White Wolf games. I can only see this new system makes that even worse. So goody there guys. No one has come forward with completely broken mechanical elements yet. So I suppose I should congratulate you on that.

But frankly for me its to damn complex not just a little either. But like by a factor of 2 or 3. I don't understand why you felt the need to make a game that is THAT complex. I mean people complained about D&D4 being complex and slow to play. This game is far more complex and I cant imagine its faster.

I will never play this game. I will never run this game. I will likely not even bother reading the rest of this game. You will never get more of my money.

Yes, I'm bitter.

I am not a backer of the Exalted 3 Ks but I own a lot of the former edition books and I am glad to have them because the material can be used for an epic campaing using 13th Age rules + Scarlet Heroes rules (the Fray Dice mostly).

I might be a petty person but I do remember Stepenls wrote a dismisive post about Numenera, at the time of its release, caaling it a D&D reskin. Well by this logic, we can called Exalted a D&D hack, can't we ?

And remember, the Numenera KS was live the same year that the Exalted one but it delivers with 1 month delay (due to Monte's father passing) and the corebook is full of awesome art. And now Numenera has 4 more books released. With more than 600 000 $, OPP should have done at least as good as Monte, didn't they ?

Quote from: Ryan L.;861872That seems to be the case. It gets only a paragraph description in the setting chapter like everything else, but the fiction at the beginning talks about it more. I tend not to read fiction ever, but I read two pages of it. It made me realize why I don't read rpg chapter fiction again.



I probably could if there was enough interest here. If there isn't I could do it somewhere like Giant in the Playground forums. Dice roller could be orokos.com since it provides bb code for posting in a forum. If it's at gitp I think they have forum dice rolling. It's going to be a week or two though.

I have an account at GitP, so that could work.

Quote from: yabaziou;861882I am not a backer of the Exalted 3 Ks but I own a lot of the former edition books and I am glad to have them because the material can be used for an epic campaing using 13th Age rules + Scarlet Heroes rules (the Fray Dice mostly).

I might be a petty person but I do remember Stepenls wrote a dismisive post about Numenera, at the time of its release, caaling it a D&D reskin. Well by this logic, we can called Exalted a D&D hack, can't we ?

And remember, the Numenera KS was live the same year that the Exalted one but it delivers with 1 month delay (due to Monte's father passing) and the corebook is full of awesome art. And now Numenera has 4 more books released. With more than 600 000 $, OPP should have done at least as good as Monte, didn't they ?

Monte Cook is a professional. That's the difference.

Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;861880Hello! OP here...

Well here we are 2 years after the original release date (almost sorta) and we have the pdf.

There is some bad art. Like wow really bad art and some really nice art.

The system is... understandable. Which I suppose is an improvement from 2e.

Yet at the same time its a fuck ton of things to track turn to turn. And frankly Dex has always been the god stat in White Wolf games. I can only see this new system makes that even worse. So goody there guys. No one has come forward with completely broken mechanical elements yet. So I suppose I should congratulate you on that.

But frankly for me its to damn complex not just a little either. But like by a factor of 2 or 3. I don't understand why you felt the need to make a game that is THAT complex. I mean people complained about D&D4 being complex and slow to play. This game is far more complex and I cant imagine its faster.

I will never play this game. I will never run this game. I will likely not even bother reading the rest of this game. You will never get more of my money.

Yes, I'm bitter.

Maybe this is because as was stated by one of the head writers, they don't actually play RPG's just read them for fun.

I can't understand why someone would make an RPG this complex in this day and age. Don't get me wrong, part of Exalted's charm has been the fact it's an exception based system, so your powers have way more flavor to them..

But the sheer number of things to keep track of now in a battle. Exalted 1e was rather taxing on a GM's abilities when it came to running multiple Exalted enemies in battle...but this..

Keeping track of keywords, Momentum, Health, Speed, Maneuver variables, charms, essence and all of that in battle now? It's just a complete headache.

It keeps bringing me back to how I wish there was another crack at fixing 1e's problems.

So, Exalted 3e is a groundbreaking rpg, huh? LOL

The official delusions have started after ~1 day of the backer pdf dropping. Funny detail - the first to use this exact words was...no wonder...Holden himself. And then it got taken up by some (no wonder there either) heavily biased other folks (for example Zeea). And now it started to be uncool to be "negative" about the game aka the fanbois start dog-piling you if you post anything else than praise of the game :rolleyes:

And the biased moderation is still getting worse. So criticizing the art and how the whole team has done the pdf is now automatically (as it seems) a personal attack (because the people who worked on that stuff are members of rpg.net) but if you talk crap about other companies or other dev. teams that are not part of OPP or the mod team, then it's no problem...even the mods themselves "personal attack" old devs of 2e.

The owners of rpg.net really should put a stop to this. Or are they themselves part of that crowd? I mean this is really not funny anymore.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;861848What would you call trying to pass off grainy photographs of GI Joe figures as "game book art"?

(Because seriously that's what R.Talsorian did with one edition of Cyberpunk.)

I never saw CP 2030, so I don't know how badly RT screwed that pooch, but using photos of action figures could maybe be cool if done correctly... like say, a Star Wars RPG adventure done in the style of one of those mini-catalogs that used to come with the 70's Kenner toys.

But Poser art? Just say "No", man. POSER ART: NOT EVER ONCE.

Quote from: Anglachel;861891So, Exalted 3e is a groundbreaking rpg, huh? LOL

The official delusions have started after ~1 day of the backer pdf dropping. Funny detail - the first to use this exact words was...no wonder...Holden himself. And then it got taken up by some (no wonder there either) heavily biased other folks (for example Zeea). And now it started to be uncool to be "negative" about the game aka the fanbois start dog-piling you if you post anything else than praise of the game :rolleyes:

And the biased moderation is still getting worse. So criticizing the art and how the whole team has done the pdf is now automatically (as it seems) a personal attack (because the people who worked on that stuff are members of rpg.net) but if you talk crap about other companies or other dev. teams that are not part of OPP or the mod team, then it's no problem...even the mods themselves "personal attack" old devs of 2e.

The owners of rpg.net really should put a stop to this. Or are they themselves part of that crowd? I mean this is really not funny anymore.

Exalted developers and fans take pot shots at other games so often its practically a running game. And I've rarely seen anyone called on it. D and D, GURPS, apparently Numera, etc have all been shit on at some point along with 2ed (by some of the same people that were rabidly defending it before).

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;861895But Poser art? Just say "No", man. POSER ART: NOT EVER ONCE.

It was more dolls (as in Barbie like) dolls more than action figures. I can respect the attempt to be different but it didn't play out well. With a bigger budget and more time it very well might have.

That said, I don't really have a problem with Poser style art. I consider it like any other medium in that it can be well done or done poorly. Unfortunately, its really easy to do it poorly and take very lazy short cuts that end up looking shabby. The example from 3e looked pretty mediocre, not horrible (some of the more conventional art is worse) but its not high end and seems out of context.

Okay, what is "Male gazey" and what makes it so horrible vs a picture of a dude in a posing pouch so snug that with a slight zoom you could tell if his people practice circumcision being awesome? 2ed keeps getting thrown under the bus again and again in this respect .