Well it's several hundred pages of rules. Personally, I can't read that many rules in a couple of days. I have things to do. It will probably take me weeks to actually read the rules and understand them. I don't find rpgs of any sort enjoyable to read. It's tedious so it takes me forever. I also won't be talking about them on RPG.net because the thread bans have begun. Though I'm surprised at the lack of forum bans.

But at least one person thinks that it is so different from 2e as to be unrecognizable.

Quote from: braincraft;19499135The combat system is almost unrecognizably different.

This thread.

Wow... that user is full of shit.

Unrecognizable? Really? I think he/she should consider a nick-name change.

Sure, you now have a splitting in "Initiative combat" and "real combat" but the two parts work more or less how combat worked in 2e.

Unrecognizable...yeah...LOL.

Man they are really throwing 2e and practically anyone associated with it under the bus. I remember when UDON was the shit as far as Exalted art went now they're bland and "misogynistic"

But not really a surprise after Savant and Sorcerer artist was crucified after so many were almost pleading for him to work on Exalted for producing work that was stylistically identical to most of his drawing. .

Exalted? Poser art? Seriously?

Lo, how the mighty have fallen.

Quote from: Nexus;861613Man they are really throwing 2e and practically anyone associated with it under the bus. I remember when UDON was the shit as far as Exalted art went now they're bland and "misogynistic"

But not really a surprise after Savant and Sorcerer artist was crucified after so many were almost pleading for him to work on Exalted for producing work that was stylistically identical to most of his drawing. .

UDON was the shit. This time around we have art the boils down to some, not all mind you but some, IS shit while the majority is ok. One or two pieces are truly exceptional.

Quote from: James Gillen;861538Banana Hammock Exhibitionist Display!

I am so stuck on that I admit. I hate Double Standards especially when they're held up as righteous and it such a brazen, blatant one that its either displays profound lack of self awareness or utter hypocrisy not to see it. Especially in light of the griping about any 3e art that showed an inch of female skin or the apparent unending stream of horrible demeaning sexist art in 2nd.

Quote from: Nexus;861654I am so stuck on that I admit. I hate Double Standards especially when they're held up as righteous and it such a brazen, blatant one that its either displays profound lack of self awareness or utter hypocrisy not to see it. Especially in light of the griping about any 3e art that showed an inch of female skin or the apparent unending stream of horrible demeaning sexist art in 2nd.

Can't be a sjw without being a massive fucking hypocrite.

Quote from: Nexus;861654I am so stuck on that I admit. I hate Double Standards especially when they're held up as righteous and it such a brazen, blatant one that its either displays profound lack of self awareness or utter hypocrisy not to see it. Especially in light of the griping about any 3e art that showed an inch of female skin or the apparent unending stream of horrible demeaning sexist art in 2nd.

Double Standard Patriarchy Defense!

I love the way 2nd ed is the scapegoat for Art comparison, the constant "Yeah well, um, the art isn't great BUT AT LEAST IT ISN'T MISOGYNIST!"

Build that Strawman some more and throw fire on it... I guess Onyx Path has no problem with insulting the previous writers and artists who worked on the older editions of Exalted...as the new Developers are even piling on.

The Virtue Signaling is almost precious.

I'm with you, Nexus.

The selfsame people who go on a rampage when there is a bit of side-boob or leg shown of female characters find it "awesome" how the artist was able to sexualize the male lead Solar this time around. Stupid poses and penis-bulges are, apparently, not at all sexist and/or exploitative if it is a man who is pictured.

Talk about double-standards.

The whole "If you are a white male who is hetero you have no voice" is really reinforced. Funny how the "we will not tolerate discrimination"-crowd can be fact-blind in extremis (or maybe they just don't want to see it).

It's really crass.

Quote from: James Gillen;861719Double Standard Patriarchy Defense!

And they say there aren't any Perfect Defenses in 3rd.

Quote from: Orphan81;861729I love the way 2nd ed is the scapegoat for Art comparison, the constant "Yeah well, um, the art isn't great BUT AT LEAST IT ISN'T MISOGYNIST!"

Build that Strawman some more and throw fire on it... I guess Onyx Path has no problem with insulting the previous writers and artists who worked on the older editions of Exalted...as the new Developers are even piling on.

The Virtue Signaling is almost precious.

They're really beating that drum hard. Which just casts an even brighter light on the Dawn sig thing. What with poster praising the current edition for its “gender parity” praising a revealing picture of a man while still fuming about anything that hints of wicked female skin.

The reactions to the Prince Diamond cover have been bizarre but ironically fitting, IMO, since the whole thing feels more like “Look! Look at how inclusive we are!”  style pandering rather an a matter of circumstance and setting (like the transgendered character on the cover of Arrow of Indra).

What's almost worse is the accusation of Entitlement (gasp!) directed at those who actually expected the book they paid 100+ dollars forand waited slightly over two years to get to be higher than average quality. No call on OP for making promises it couldn't live up too but on the fans for being "stupid" enough to believe them.

Serious question, has anything released to this point been up to the expectations presented? The art samples were "meh." the fiction anthology poor, the comic reportedly kind of sucked, etc.

Quote from: Anglachel;861731I'm with you, Nexus.

The selfsame people who go on a rampage when there is a bit of side-boob or leg shown of female characters find it "awesome" how the artist was able to sexualize the male lead Solar this time around. Stupid poses and penis-bulges are, apparently, not at all sexist and/or exploitative if it is a man who is pictured.

Talk about double-standards.

Punch up, not down, privilege, patriarchy

The whole "If you are a white male who is hetero you have no voice" is really reinforced. Funny how the "we will not tolerate discrimination"-crowd can be fact-blind in extremis (or maybe they just don't want to see it).

It's really crass.[/QUOTE]

Good word for it. And so brazen. But not exactly new ground for TBP. There's a thread full of sexualized pictures of men and women, things that would be most likely get the poster sanctioned or at least mocked amd chastised but are acceptable because they're furries and other “non humans”.

Someone points out the attacks on those that have criticized the art and how 2e is getting trashed, and is summarily banned for a day. I know none of us are surprised. It's just hilarious that this is allowed and by an OP writer.

Quote from: Ryan L.;861737Someone points out the attacks on those that have criticized the art and how 2e is getting trashed, and is summarily banned for a day. I know none of us are surprised. It's just hilarious that this is allowed and by an OP writer.

Its hilarious that someone will often get harder mod action on rpg.net for criticizing OP staff or products than on the official OP forums.

Differences between the Leak and the backer pdf discussion thread

Example Character Creation thread

Quote from: Nexus;861736What's almost worse is the accusation of Entitlement (gasp!) directed at those who actually expected the book they paid 100+ dollars forand waited slightly over two years to get to be higher than average quality. No call on OP for making promises it couldn't live up too but on the fans for being "stupid" enough to believe them.

See that shit pisses me off.  The only entitlement issue I see hear is from the dev team.  They got over 600,000 dollars and produce utter shit.  There had been other dev teams who made good books with only a tiny fraction of the cost.