Quote from: Orphan81;860291Completely disagree with you here. 1e IS the best edition of the game with the best rules. 2nd Edition didn't seek to try and clean up 1e's mistakes, it decided it wanted to build a new system completely from the ground up that was even more flawed from the get go.

All the "Fixes" that went into it just made it worse.

1st edition wasn't as concerned with making sure the Exalted had Charms which could accurately simulate a battle with a Primordial. It was a little more loosey goosey with the rules.

2nd and 3rd ed, is trying to model things like 3.5 Dungeons and Dragons, making sure there is a rule for every single situation that pops up...intricate and detailed rules which just make your eyes glaze over.

I ran multiple, successful 1e campaigns. Some of them blew up because of the rules, and some of them I had to keep a steady hand along with my players to avoid the rules landmines, but it was a completely workable and fun system...

Every 2nd edition game I started petered out by the 4th session. It just wasn't as fun. The super focus on making extended rules for every situation, and reworking combat entirely and adding more complexity just made the game worse. The rules got in the way of the game rather than enhancing it.

3rd seems to be following this pattern.

So I repeat...1e is the best version of the Exalted rules and it really makes me wonder why they didn't bother trying to clean those up to make a new edition of Exalted...rather than re-inventing the wheel both times now.

Edit: "DV" and "The BattleWheel" were two of the worst innovations Whitewolf came up with. Showing up in Scion as well...No matter how much the "Battle Wheel" tried to speed up combat, all it did was bog it down and slow it down by making everything more complicated... "wait how much does this weapon add or take away from my speed? How much does this action effect my speed? how much does this power effect my speed?" where DV made it far to easy for characters to simply be flat out IMPOSSIBLE to be hit.

Rolled Defenses added an extra roll, but at least added a luck mechanic where a less accurate character still had a chance of hitting a target. If you wanted to build an enemy who could hit a high DV character it meant they would just destroy everyone else in the party.

And you had no problem with the Perfect Defenses?  You must be the only person in all of creation who didn't try and handwave them in some way.

Quote from: Nexus;860318Whoa, I didn't expect this to happen.

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?753409-Exalted-Ask-the-Devs-pt3-Merged-x3&p=19477230#post19477230

Quote from: Nexus;860041It depends allot of how many of non hardcore fans are left by the time the thing actually drops. If the lose Isator Levie, for instance, they done fucked up and all bets are off.

All bets are now off.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;860322And you had no problem with the Perfect Defenses?  You must be the only person in all of creation who didn't try and handwave them in some way.






All bets are now off.

Man. It's going to be awful quiet in an Exalted thread without his constant dick riding.

Nah, there are enough selfimportant, selfappointed exalted experts left who can go on and on and on and on...about every little detail and how you/OPP/any other poster got it wrong and/or how it would be better/cooler/more appropriate if done their way... so the threads about Ex3e will survive without one of those special Exalted-snowflake-assholes

Oh and...anyone else had to laugh out loud at this little gem from Holden?

QuoteI have become intensely wary of rules-for-the-sake-of-rules as time has gone on and I've gotten more experience with game design. Rules need to serve a purpose that is meaningful and necessary.

Really? That from Mr. "Game-Designer" of EX3e where everything and your grandmother is forced into a rule ... or, this being Exalted, a rules exception? LOL
Unintentional comedy is still the best one

Quote from: Anglachel;860351Really? That from Mr. "Game-Designer" of EX3e where everything and your grandmother is forced into a rule ... or, this being Exalted, a rules exception? LOL
Unintentional comedy is still the best one

Yeah, that was definitely cute.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;860322And you had no problem with the Perfect Defenses?  You must be the only person in all of creation who didn't try and handwave them in some way.

Never had a problem with Perfect Defenses in 1e, never had to worry about them. The concept of "Paranoia Combat" was really a function of 2e and not 1e. Perfect Defenses ENHANCED my campaigns not took away from it.

I also think you're generalization of everyone in creation 'hand waiving' them is off.

I did end up house ruling that particularly high essence Dragon Blooded could in fact use their Perfect Defenses against charm enhanced and magical attacks like a Celestial, but this was only for DB's of around Essence 4.

I ran several successful long term Exalted Campaigns from when it was released up to about 2006/7 ish...

As I said before...yes my first couple campaigns did reach a point where the rules simply exploded....the right combination of Charms/artifacts making the PC's truly invincible... and those were learning experiences. My next campaigns made a note to avoid those combinations of abilities...Perfect Defenses were never a problem.

When Exalted Power Combat was released in the 1e Player Guide it made the system even better, and also solved the problem of the character with a million soak dice thanks to making minimum damage equal to Essence Rating.

Yes Exalted 1e was highly flawed, but it's the least flawed and best running of the three Exalteds. Again, I don't understand why that particular system wasn't fixed.... Re-inventing the wheel twice now has only made things far, far worse.

When I read Exalted threads over TBP I feel like I must have been playing some alternate version that fell through a wormhole or something. Their experience bear that little resemblance to mine.

Quote from: Nexus;860378When I read Exalted threads over TBP I feel like I must have been playing some alternate version that fell through a wormhole or something. Their experience bear that little resemblance to mine.

I literally started every session by playing the opening music from "Hercules: The Legendary Journeys" with a revised narration..

"This is the story of a time long ago, a time of Myth and Legend.
Where the Dragonblood Empire was petty and cruel, and plagued mankind with suffering.
Only one force could challenge their power, the Solar Exalted..

The Solars possessed a strength the world had never seen before, a strength only surpassed by their Heroism...

Now, where ever there was danger, where ever there was suffering or peril, there would be, the Solar Exalted.."

Seriously, that is how pumped my players were to be playing Mythic Heroes in a Greco-Roman Anime Fantasy game.... the idea of playing selfish amoral anti-heroes never crossed their minds. Even when we added Abyssals and Lunars to the party, they still kept with the idea they were actually trying to make creation a better place.

Quote from: Anglachel;860351Nah, there are enough selfimportant, selfappointed exalted experts left who can go on and on and on and on...about every little detail and how you/OPP/any other poster got it wrong and/or how it would be better/cooler/more appropriate if done their way... so the threads about Ex3e will survive without one of those special Exalted-snowflake-assholes

True. There's more than enough douchebag chomping at the bit to tell anyone doing something different from them they're "Doing it wrong!"

Edit: Or even better the patronizing passive aggressive "Oh you can that if you want. Its incredibly lame stupid and wrong but but by all means do it."

Quote from: Nexus;860378When I read Exalted threads over TBP I feel like I must have been playing some alternate version that fell through a wormhole or something. Their experience bear that little resemblance to mine.

Just the exalted threads?

Quote from: Warboss Squee;860382Just the exalted threads?

True but have to narrow things down or we'll be here all day.

You know what?  Fuck it I want to do a play test using my system to do a Exalted game in this forum.  I will GM and I know the setting (still rusty, but I can get books).  So who wants to join since this is far easier than what 3rd edition is going to be.

Though my experience is limited to second edition.

Quote from: Snowman0147;860543You know what?  Fuck it I want to do a play test using my system to do a Exalted game in this forum.  I will GM and I know the setting (still rusty, but I can get books).  So who wants to join since this is far easier than what 3rd edition is going to be.

Though my experience is limited to second edition.

I don't have time to play but I wouldn't mind lurking.

Quote from: Snowman0147;860543You know what?  Fuck it I want to do a play test using my system to do a Exalted game in this forum.  I will GM and I know the setting (still rusty, but I can get books).  So who wants to join since this is far easier than what 3rd edition is going to be.

Though my experience is limited to second edition.

I'm down.

What's the basic set-up of your system Snowman0147?

I'm more convinced than ever that "Ask the Devs" is more about their ego than anything else.