Yeah, no, they are not newbs...so no, no easy-going on them.
Minton was, for example, in the book of the north. Holden has credits in Under the Rose...Stephen LS goes even farther back. And hatewheel is around for a bit as well. On top of that, Rich has been around even longer...and he's the boss...so even if the blunders of some of the newer team members could be forgiven...his can not. He dropped the ball...hard.

That said, i will still give the pdf a fair chance to convince me that the mechanics and stuff is worth playing. I don't think that it will be that good that i can overlook all the BS the team pulled. But hey, surprises happen.

I don't understand. Why can't OPP adopt the Qwixalted design philosophy? Why do they need to spend hundreds of pages on rules?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;856182I don't understand. Why can't OPP adopt the Qwixalted design philosophy? Why do they need to spend hundreds of pages on rules?

They are mainly design for people to buy rpg books, read through it, think what characters they could make, and then not play at all.  I wish I was joking, but sadly I am not.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;856182I don't understand. Why can't OPP adopt the Qwixalted design philosophy? Why do they need to spend hundreds of pages on rules?

When the issue has come up in Exalted discussions its been dismissed as contrary to what most of the fan base wants. Simplifying things would run counter to their desires.

Quote from: Nexus;856184When the issue has come up in Exalted discussions its been dismissed as contrary to what most of the fan base wants. Simplifying things would run counter to their desires.

That's my understanding too based on my own group's preferences and those I have observed on forums etc.

Quote from: Nexus;856184When the issue has come up in Exalted discussions its been dismissed as contrary to what most of the fan base wants. Simplifying things would run counter to their desires.

That silent majority fan base that gets bandied around?

Quote from: Warboss Squee;856186That silent majority fan base that gets bandied around?

There's no way of knowing who is in the majority, but I think it's pretty safe to say that there are quite a few people on both sides. Heck, I see the split even in my own group. I have two players who love making really detailed characters, and the more knobs they can fiddle with the better. I have two others that want to keep things simple; they just want to throw some dice and have fun. And then there's me and another guy who are kind of in the middle. We love customization, but at some point adding more options just becomes overwhelming and pointless.

Quote from: Skywalker;856185That's my understanding too based on my own group's preferences and those I have observed on forums etc.

As far as my group goes, its been the opposite but it seems like most of those that wanted a simpler system have adopted conversions so for thg active fanbase that's still on board with Storyteller its hard to believe that's the case.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;856186That silent majority fan base that gets bandied around?

They are part of it but there's are vocal proponents of the ton 'o charms, exception based Storyteller rules or its not "real" Exalted on rpg.net. There have been some that feel they've gone a bit too far too but are okay with it or are willing to take what they can get as long as it works. Some have been turned off. So its not a unanimous positive reaction.

I just wonder how insane its going to get. There are currently 700+ charms in the core, not counting martial arts. Is every splat hardcover going to have that many? There are 5 "core" splats and they're introducing several more plus Exigents who'll have their charm groups as their unique. That's allot of moving parts to balance and juggle.

Chuckle worthy bit as of reversion 7, I think, the length of the Exalted 3rd core is 666 pages. Those end of the world jokes aren't so funny now...

Illustration for "Craftman needs no tools."

It is nice art, Have to get it that.

Just what Exalted needed, more of the map space being filled. I know they've increased the size of Creation but it seems to be  so they can add more of their own shit to it. In 1st it was meant to be large so you could fill in the blanks. Also none of this makes me go "Wow, that is so cool."

Quote from: HoldenI think the North and the West are competing for "most improved Direction" in 3e. West has the most dramatic overhauls, North has the greatest profusion of really, really fucking cool new locales. Things like Mongolian Transylvania, a giant underground prison long ago taken over by its inmates, and a city where the nobility are rumored to have come into possession of an elixir of immortality. (Surely this is unrelated to why said nobles now go about under parasols during the day, and why the tame lynxes of the palace hiss and slink away when they approach.)

Quote from: Ryan L.;856783Just what Exalted needed, more of the map space being filled. I know they've increased the size of Creation but it seems to be  so they can add more of their own shit to it. In 1st it was meant to be large so you could fill in the blanks. Also none of this makes me go "Wow, that is so cool."

I really wish I was surprised.

So vampires are a thing now? Don't remember them before.  At least the sun isn't a fucking Deathstar any more.

It isn't, right?

So wait...we have Vampires and Abyssal Exalted?

Well, I suppose as "lesser" undead compared to Abyssals it makes sense. We already have Zombies, Hungry Ghosts, and other such things....still just seems a bit weird.

Also it runs into the problem Exalted has always had....Any enemy who is also not an Exalted just sort of falls flat in terms of threat and majesty..

Sure, Vampire Nobles sound scary...until you realize your group consists of 5 fucking demigods of the Sun who could probably kill all of them before breakfast.

I finally sat down and read through the leaked 3e document. It is much as I expected. Generally, every subsystem from 2e has been polished, improved and built up. However, all the subsystems are now integral to play. As a result, the rule set has been improved though its as demanding as ever on the players.

There are some really good parts, such as the Intimacies/Limit/Virtues system , NPCs, dropping of the tick tracker and Excellencies.

There is some stuff that has had a much needed improvement but are still not as great as they could be like combat, social combat and mass combat.

There is some stuff that is painful like the Charms and Evocations. So many charms and so many provide fiddly modifiers that would have been best left to Excellencies.

Overall, I would play it over 2e in a heartbeat. As such, I expect it will be the edition my group plays. However, I still find the uncluttered and leaner 1e to be overall more to my preferences.