Exalted 3 - What the hell?

Orphan81 · September 15, 2015, 08:21:02 PM

Quote from: Skywalker;855912It's had one round with CCP and their changes have been addressed. Seems pretty close given other OP KS at the same stage.

Still, even a year is a matter of days The four horsemen don't ride until Far West comes out.

It's only 2 years overdue!

I think most anyone else who was that late on a project would be actively skewered online, but it goes to show you just how much goodwill Whitewolf/Onyx Path has created in their 2 decades of existence..

That being said, they seem quite active in burning through that left over goodwill. It's not gone yet, but between the Exalted 3rd edition fiasco, the Beast blunder, announcement of Vampire IV edition, and Disappointment with Darkages 20, it's being consumed.

Warboss Squee · September 15, 2015, 08:22:21 PM

If/when it's out, I will look it over and try to have an unbiased opinion.

I might be surprised at what I find, but I seriously doubt it at this point.

Skywalker · September 15, 2015, 08:40:42 PM

Quote from: Orphan81;856002It's only 2 years overdue!

That's disappointing, but why should I let that diminish what enjoyment I get from the PDF when it hits.

FWIW Far West is 4 years over due, and I feel a lot more burned about how that was handled than Exalted.

Quote from: Orphan81;856002I think most anyone else who was that late on a project would be actively skewered online, but it goes to show you just how much goodwill Whitewolf/Onyx Path has created in their 2 decades of existence.

My goodwill is to Exalted, much more than WW or OP. Its one of my favourite RPGs I am interested to see how its developed.

Orphan81 · September 15, 2015, 08:46:01 PM

Quote from: Skywalker;856005That's disappointing, but why should I let that diminish what enjoyment I get from the PDF when it hits.

I never said it should..

However if it's anything like the leak which was released earlier in the year, then it's lost all my interest, which is a shame since I was an Exalted 1st ed fan.

That being said YMMV

Skywalker · September 15, 2015, 08:58:33 PM

Quote from: Orphan81;856006However if it's anything like the leak which was released earlier in the year, then it's lost all my interest, which is a shame since I was an Exalted 1st ed fan.

I am still a 1e fan and use that over 2e (but I am happy to play that too TBH).

I avoided the leak as I find early release and playtest material tends to leave me with a negative impression regardless of how good it is.

Nexus · September 15, 2015, 08:58:58 PM

Quote from: Orphan81;856006I never said it should..

However if it's anything like the leak which was released earlier in the year, then it's lost all my interest, which is a shame since I was an Exalted 1st ed fan.

That being said YMMV

Its not so much the delays, even the changes (though I'm not happy) that burned me. Its the attitude the Devs had displayed when interacting with the public online.

JamesV · September 15, 2015, 09:00:05 PM

As a "better late than never" backer, I'm still looking forward to the PDF. The scuttlebutt has the game being even more intricate than 1e, which is a downside, but that doesn't mean that there won't be things I won't like and find a way to add if/when I decide to run it again.

Skywalker · September 15, 2015, 10:00:41 PM

Quote from: Nexus;856010Its not so much the delays, even the changes (though I'm not happy) that burned me. Its the attitude the Devs had displayed when interacting with the public online.

Yeah, its not great, but then I think most first time RPG designers would be better not interacting with the public online at all TBH.

Christopher Brady · September 16, 2015, 02:08:52 AM

Quote from: Skywalker;856020Yeah, its not great, but then I think most first time RPG designers would be better not interacting with the public online at all TBH.

They've been at this for 20 years, and you're saying that sort of behaviour is OK after all these years???

Um. OK. Not the sort of thing I'll give a pass to, and if their game is anything like their attitude, not for me. (I have not checked anything related to E3.)

Skywalker · September 16, 2015, 02:48:37 AM

None of the design team has much professional history that I am aware of, except maybe Stephenls (and even his is limited). Or are you talking about the White Wolf brand?

Christopher Brady · September 16, 2015, 03:36:10 AM

Most of them worked on Exalted 2 in some capacity, or so I've been told, and have been long time members of TBP. So they should know how to be professional.

They've been rather poor at communicating their intent. No pass given here.

Skywalker · September 16, 2015, 04:25:35 AM

Quote from: Christopher Brady;856050Most of them worked on Exalted 2 in some capacity, or so I've been told, and have been long time members of TBP. So they should know how to be professional.

They wrote the errata, a handful of PDFs in 2e's last days, and Alchemicals stuff. Again, nothing of the like of Exalted 3e or even a main line print supplement, and over a period much less than 20 years. I wouldn't give much value to forum membership as a measure of professionalism.

I am not looking to make excuses for them. They are grating personalities online, and the fan base surrounding them makes it all dire. My only point is that this is all obvious pretty quickly, especially once you factor in their lack of experience. IMO it's best not to interact with them. Their written material is only better for it.

Nexus · September 16, 2015, 07:01:22 AM

Stephenls definitely has a history both in Exalted and game writing in general. Holden is/was one of the "Ink Monkeys" and wrote some material for 2nd. hatewheel, I have no idea about. I remember the screen name from before but not much more.

Christopher Brady · September 16, 2015, 01:12:29 PM

Quote from: Nexus;856060Stephenls definitely has a history both in Exalted and game writing in general. Holden is/was one of the "Ink Monkeys" and wrote some material for 2nd. hatewheel, I have no idea about. I remember the screen name from before but not much more.

IF I remember correctly, hatewheel and Holden worked on the 2e Martial Arts book, among a couple of other projects. I think one of them was on the DB book. Again, these three, if not more, have had years of experience.

Skywalker · September 16, 2015, 02:44:59 PM

Quote from: Christopher Brady;856092IF I remember correctly, hatewheel and Holden worked on the 2e Martial Arts book, among a couple of other projects. I think one of them was on the DB book. Again, these three, if not more, have had years of experience.

They were writing a revised Martial Arts book that never eventuated. Neither were around as far back as Scroll of the Monk and certainly nowhere near as far back as Dragonblooded. I would need to check but Holden first appeared around Alchemicals as a freelance writer and hatewheel even later.