Quote from: Orphan81;848655I don't believe anyone here is actually playing the Leak. We only discuss it, because it was the closest "beta" anyone had ever seen of what the finished product might look like.

Suffice to say, almost everyone here whose discussed it, thinks it's kinda crap.

Being as objective as I can I think 3rd looks functional and fairly solid (but so did 2ed at first) but its driven by allot of assumptions and style choices I don't enjoy or agree with and they appear to be hardwired in that it might be better to just convert the entire thing to something else for me. Work I honestly want to avoid but trying to cram our game and preferences into this 3rd edition "round hole" might be more trouble and frustration than its worth.

Frankly its more the attitude displayed by the developers and fanbase that chaps my ass about 3rd edition than the game itself.  

Foxsable: There is currently allot of discussion about 3rd edition including some people playing the leak on rpg.net if you're not familiar with it.

I tried rpg.net. That site is relatively hard to find anything on without strict search terms. I'm really just looking for a character sheet for now, but it seems like I may just have to use excel for now or that super flawed one I linked. Or that ugly google document. But whatever. Hell, we used to scratch AD&D stats on notepaper, right?

My group actually likes the leak, it seems pretty solid and balanced. So far. But so did 2nd, as you mentioned.  

I guess we'll see.

Quote from: Foxsable;848783I tried rpg.net. That site is relatively hard to find anything on without strict search terms. I'm really just looking for a character sheet for now, but it seems like I may just have to use excel for now or that super flawed one I linked. Or that ugly google document. But whatever. Hell, we used to scratch AD&D stats on notepaper, right?

I don't think we've used an official character sheet for 20+ years.

QuoteMy group actually likes the leak, it seems pretty solid and balanced. So far. But so did 2nd, as you mentioned.  

I guess we'll see.

Good luck! I'd love to hear about how it goes if you'd be interested in posting some accounts.

Quote from: Nexus;848571I am really wondering where all these freshly registered posters* that are oddly knowledgeable about the system are coming from. Its slowed down but they're still popping up.

*or that have been registered for awhile but have post counts in the single or double digits after being members for years.

Hey! Careful with that wide brush there. Some of us low number posters are mostly just lurkers.

And, in my case, a lurker that enjoyed earlier editions of Exalted enough that I paid for what is looking like something I'm really not going to be happy with sight unseen via kickstarter. Buyer beware and all that, I suppose.

Quote from: ArtemisAlpha;848791Hey! Careful with that wide brush there. Some of us low number posters are mostly just lurkers.

And, in my case, a lurker that enjoyed earlier editions of Exalted enough that I paid for what is looking like something I'm really not going to be happy with sight unseen via kickstarter. Buyer beware and all that, I suppose.

JIC: I'm talking about rpg.net.

Its not all of them but allot of them. The ones that seem to pop up when ever there's criticism of the system that's turning against the Devs and they're side needs more support. Usually posting aggressively, angrily and with a degree of snark that matches the Devs themselves. Often to vanish again. That just register that month, post a allot in one thread then vanish again.

There's other explanation but sometimes, yeah, it makes my sockpuppet sense tingle. Anecdotally, I've heard some stories about the mod setting up accounts for gags and to troll over there but I have no solid proof.

FWIW I am sympathetic to the people that bought into the KS and aren't liking what they see. That's got to be annoying. And being told how silly you were for expecting anything different is just salting the wound. I'm disappointed and frustrated but I didn't lose money of this.

Edit: Of course there's also the possibility there really is a huge Silent Majority that is out there rooting on the Devs.

Quote from: Nexus;848794JIC: I'm talking about rpg.net.

Its not all of them but allot of them. The ones that seem to pop up when ever there's criticism of the system that's turning against the Devs and they're side needs more support. Usually posting aggressively, angrily and with a degree of snark that matches the Devs themselves. Often to vanish again. That just register that month, post a allot in one thread then vanish again.

That and the search issue are substantial issues along with the "style" issue of PC groupthink run amok.

JG

Quote from: James Gillen;848839That and the search issue are substantial issues along with the "style" issue of PC groupthink run amok.

JG

I'd put the increasingly brazen selective rule enforcement on the list too but come to think of it that's probably more accurately a symptom not a cause.

Quote from: Nexus;848916I'd put the increasingly brazen selective rule enforcement on the list too but come to think of it that's probably more accurately a symptom not a cause.

No, I'm saying that even if one agrees with the groupthink, it's questionable whether the site is actually any good for looking up RPG information, rules or anything substantial.  That was one of the reasons I left.

JG

Quote from: James Gillen;848839That and the search issue are substantial issues along with the "style" issue of PC groupthink run amok.

JG

   They restored the Search function about a year ago.

  But the number of permanent bans under the criterion of "not a good fit for the site" is getting worrisome. It has given me a user title for the handful of times I post there, though ...

Quote from: James Gillen;849067No, I'm saying that even if one agrees with the groupthink, it's questionable whether the site is actually any good for looking up RPG information, rules or anything substantial.  That was one of the reasons I left.

JG

Oh I was just talking problems at rpg.net in general.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;849072But the number of permanent bans under the criterion of "not a good fit for the site" is getting worrisome. It has given me a user title for the handful of times I post there, though ...

Yep, it seems they can't even be bothered to find a justification under their capriciously applied, deliberately opaque rules any more. Now it's simply "your face doesn't fit" and you're gone.

The only reason I haven't been back and told them to go fuck themselves is because I don't want to give them the satisfaction of having something to ban me for.

The rules as I am understanding them really lay out a fundamentally different approach to the game between my group and who the designers seem to be aiming for. It really sounds and feels like busy work and allot of rolls for things that would largely be assumed as being "engaged with the setting" is measured in dice rolls made per session.

Sure, making items for benefit or bribes or whatever is great but shouldn't you be doing anyway as crafting driven character? Its like Stunts. its something you should be doing because of roleplaying and inspiration not because its required or you can't do something else. Martial arts aren't required to role play doing forms and katas, Lore specialist don't have put screen time into reading thick tomes or memorization exercises, etc. The micromanagement and exp juggling just don't strike me as very fun.

The essential difference seems to come down to wanting mechanics to drive the players' actions and involvement, the narrative for lack of a better word and wanted mechanics that support adjudication of their actions and involvement, again the narrative but don't interfere or steer it.

The Great Curse is similar in this regard. Sometimes I feel completely alienated from the mindset of modern role playing games.

Anectdote - Here in NYC, I was at a friend's nerd party. We're hanging out playing card games and such, and I hear that one of the party attendees is in one of the OP EX 3 playtest groups. I decide to have a little fun. This is around a week after New Years.

"$20 says that I will not have my backers copy of Ex 3 in my hands by 12 midnight, December 31st, 2015. It has to be *in my hands physically*." Of course, said playtester swore up and down that this would indeed be the case.

He and I shook hands. I wore a big shit eating grin. This playtester (who was not the friend who was throwing the party) swore up and down that the backer copies would be out by Gencon 2015. HEE HEE HEE HAH HAH HAH HOO HO HO.

See, if I am right, I get my god damned gaming book. If I am wrong, I get $20. A win win!

Updates as things progress.

I fully expect to be $20 richer on 1/1/2016.

Quote from: Kiero;849099Yep, it seems they can't even be bothered to find a justification under their capriciously applied, deliberately opaque rules any more. Now it's simply "your face doesn't fit" and you're gone.

The only reason I haven't been back and told them to go fuck themselves is because I don't want to give them the satisfaction of having something to ban me for.

Saying it here is enough. Cross forum drama and all that jazz.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;849741Saying it here is enough. Cross forum drama and all that jazz.

No doubt some toady will report back, looking either to curry favour, or simply to get me banned. I guess we'll see.