Quote from: Kiero;837623I saw that and sighed. They're obviously not interested in any sort of rigorous analysis of all the cruft they're generating. Rule of Cool is all that matters, it seems.

Well, I don't know what would stop Jon from posting an analysis on a blog and sending the links to people. I can easily put it in my signature:).

Quote from: Warboss Squee;837745Just wait till the book drops. Then we will really see the knives come out.

Hell, Lunars alone will cause a bigger shitstorm than Beast if the devs don't remove all those triggering mentions of non consenting breeding.

I hope there wouldn't be a storm over Lunars. I really like them:).

Quote from: Anglachel;837769It will be interesting to see how long it will take for the majority of Ex3e gamers to realize that this new version is as slow and tedious in play as the two earlier editions were. Because the fancy wears off real fast in play (especially with that oh so inventive "new" pacing for combat).
And then all the lamenting will begin again. But this time, i will have no pitty for them whatsoever. Maybe if you fanboy-fucks would have stopped "protecting" your Devs, they would have finally seen that change is needed. But as long as you support them to the bitter end....no wonder nothing is changing.

Well, if speed of resolution was your problem, Ex3 isn't for you.
OTOH, the devs never ever hinted the game would be fast. Maybe just faster, but faster than Ex2 is a really low bar to clear;).

Quote from: Warthur;837948If my gaming group held me at gunpoint and made me run Exalted, I'd just run it off FATE. Your Exalted type is an Aspect, stunting and charms allow you to inflict appropriate temporary Aspects on targets, badaboom job done let's go.

I cannot imagine anyone wanting the sort of game Exalted wants to be - high-powered pulp adventure with larger-than-life characters and amazing superpowers - being dissatisfied with a semicompetent FATE translation of the game, because that's the sort of thing which sits squarely within FATE's bailiwick. I also can't imagine them seriously deriving any enjoyment out of the clunky mass which is the Exalted system the 3rd edition promises to be, with its unreconstructed Storyteller basis and its morass of Charms, unless they're the sort of gamer who'd rather read long list of powers by themselves rather than actually play a game at the gaming table.

No surprise there, FATE was created for such games:D! IIRC, it was inspired by Zelazny's Lord of Light universe.

Quote from: The Butcher;837972Very abstract games such as FATE and Heroquest do such a smooth, no-fuss job of handling "larger-than-life characters and amazing superpowers" that I am truly sorry I can't seem to get them to work for me.

You're not alone. Sometimes they work for me, but when they don't work for me, either, they really don't work. Hence me preferring to have different options.
It just sucks if my mood changes before a scheduled Fate session.

Quote from: Nexus;838193I don't get how after all the teasing and non information that kept bandying about while distributing things to dozens of strangers across the anonymous internet they thought there wasn't going to be  leak of some kind. I'm not saying its was right for someone to violate their agreement but its like walking through a bad area at 3 in the morning with Fifties hanging out of the pockets of your mink coat then being shocked, shocked I tell you that get robbed. Its seems very naive.

Who says they weren't counting on a leak?

Quote from: AsenRG;838363Who says they weren't counting on a leak?

Mostly them but some have wondered. I think that might be a bit too into tin foil hat territory but it is a viable possibility.

Quote from: Nexus;838381Mostly them but some have wondered. I think that might be a bit too into tin foil hat territory but it is a viable possibility.

Speculating who exactly and how might have been counting on a leak is tin foil hat territory, I agree. But assuming that someone might have grown unhappy with the stance they adopted from the start about open playtests isn't out of bounds, and the leak might then be an attempt to rectify that:).
After all, they might have been unwilling to admit having been wrong from the start, and the reasons for that might range from personal to professional;).

This was an amusing infraction. I'm not seeing the "personal attack" The poster just seems to be listing things that happened. If that's a personal attack how can you have a thread about "Worst Practices in RPGs" at all? It seems like other posts on the thread. He doesn't really name names.

Quote from: Nexus;838477This was an amusing infraction. I'm not seeing the "personal attack" The poster just seems to be listing things that happened. If that's a personal attack how can you have a thread about "Worst Practices in RPGs" at all? It seems like other posts on the thread. He doesn't really name names.

No kidding. I went over to RPGnet to post a Mage: the Awakening thing and when I saw that thread on the front page of TRO I thought, "that'll work out just fine." :rotfl:

Quote from: Nexus;838477This was an amusing infraction. I'm not seeing the "personal attack" The poster just seems to be listing things that happened. If that's a personal attack how can you have a thread about "Worst Practices in RPGs" at all? It seems like other posts on the thread. He doesn't really name names.

It's even funnier as one of the comments is:

QuoteA year and a half after you were going to ship the book, banning everyone who complains about the delays from your forums, and posting a lengthy rant about your toxic fanbase to the front page of your company website.

I find it funny for two reasons. The obvious one is the part about them banning people that criticize them.

The other part is the "toxic fanbase" comment. Lord Pomposity gave them a perfectly good opening to ban him for a less controversial group attack on the fans of Exalted. Yet, they still went with a ban that is all about them.

And, of course, the three days is combined with the thread ban, as they prefer shutting people up forever now, even after the infraction period. This thread isn't even an Exalted specific thread.

Then again, when the thread title popped up in the forum, Exalted was the first thing that came to mind.

Wow, that is a fucking travesty. I mean with that attitude they'd have to ban all posters in that thread.
The bias on rpg.net has really reached untolerable levels. The OPP-Devs-who-are-also-Mods are sacrosanct. They on the other hand can say what they want...or have you ever seen a warning against them for their borderline offensive behaviour towards several posters?

Quote from: Nexus;838477This was an amusing infraction. I'm not seeing the "personal attack" The poster just seems to be listing things that happened. If that's a personal attack how can you have a thread about "Worst Practices in RPGs" at all? It seems like other posts on the thread. He doesn't really name names.

"After collecting over 500k from the KS" kinda points in one direction. Sure, I've been in other KS campaigns that reached that point, too, like the Fate Core one:).
None of them would be accurately described by this post, though;).

Quote from: AsenRG;838543"After collecting over 500k from the KS" kinda points in one direction. Sure, I've been in other KS campaigns that reached that point, too, like the Fate Core one:).
None of them would be accurately described by this post, though;).

Sure it does. But so do the other posts in the thread. All those practices had to be committed by someone and its pretty clear where allot of them are coming from. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to track down the perpetrators. His post was not unique but it was the only one sanctioned. Its not like he said "And BTW, Holden and Morke suck donkey balls" or the Exalted affair is so widely known in the gaming the community that is common knowledge. Apparently a few people on RPG.net didn't even know. Its literally front page material there.

Quote from: One Horse Town;838338Just as an aside, anyone thinking that a full-time dev on a project like this is getting $75k a year is probably out by an order of magnitude. A few years back when FFG were looking for a new head of line for WFRP v3, they were offering the equivalent of £14k a year - about $22k...

Well, yeah. But, shit, if it was me that's what I would pay myself after I took a year off from my day job to complete the massive project that just got bankrolled by a huge amount.

I don't want to minimize the effort, here. I would certainly expect it to be a massive job. But, damn, that's a lot of money upfront. And after you arraigned to pay yourself so life doesn't distract you, you get the job done.

Quote from: Baron Opal;838178A decade? They've only been working on it for, what, 3 years?

I meant the entire run of Exalted in general, not 3e.  Still, 3 years is an unreasonable amount of time to keep everyone in the dark.  

Quote from: Nexus;838477This was an amusing infraction. I'm not seeing the "personal attack" The poster just seems to be listing things that happened. If that's a personal attack how can you have a thread about "Worst Practices in RPGs" at all? It seems like other posts on the thread. He doesn't really name names.

Jeez, is this what passes as a personal attack on rpg.net these days?

Quote from: Marvelous_Metal_Man;838593Jeez, is this what passes as a personal attack on rpg.net these days?

I decided to quit even lurking there before they decided that articles and prepositions were bourgeois relics of patriarchal power imbalance.

JG

Quote from: James Gillen;838596I decided to quit even lurking there before they decided that articles and prepositions were bourgeois relics of patriarchal power imbalance.

JG

Um...what?

Quote from: Warboss Squee;838612Um...what?

Exactly.  

Quote from: James Gillen;838945Exactly.  

That was more of a "wtf is this guy referring to" moment.