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Exalted 3 - What the hell?

Started by DisgruntleFairy, February 24, 2014, 01:51:28 AM

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Kiero

#1050
June 24, 2015, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;837956I liked D&D4 and the combats were long but relatively straight forward. Exatled 3 has long combats (I assume, I cant figure out how they could be fast) and isn't relatively straight forward.

The straight forward part is important.

Exactly, though D&D4e combats are long, at least they are well-designed and easy to understand. Using a grid helps a lot. I can't say I have the same faith in the design abilities of the Exalted team.
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Warthur

#1051
June 24, 2015, 02:17:39 PM
Isn't it kind of late in the day for the Exalted line to be coming out with its response to 4E? Aren't we a whole design cycle past that now?
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RunningLaser

#1052
June 24, 2015, 02:23:09 PM
Quote from: Warthur;837959Isn't it kind of late in the day for the Exalted line to be coming out with its response to 4E? Aren't we a whole design cycle past that now?


4th is retro now.  They are going after the nostalgia  market:)

Snowman0147

#1053
June 24, 2015, 03:08:14 PM
Quote from: Warthur;837948If my gaming group held me at gunpoint and made me run Exalted, I'd just run it off FATE. Your Exalted type is an Aspect, stunting and charms allow you to inflict appropriate temporary Aspects on targets, badaboom job done let's go.

Thing is Exalted is fun once you get out of the shit systems.  It is anime super heroes disguise as mythological demigods.

Though with your FATE suggestion I would use the 25 exalted skills as skills.  Have a high concept, trouble, caste, and then some extra aspects for good measure.  Now for scale I would make it this.  Solars and abyssals get +6 over mortals.  Celestrials such as the lunars and siderals get +4 over mere mortals.  Finally terrestrials would get +2 over mere mortals.  Simply because the world is not balance out in creation with some types of exalted being far more powerful than others.

The Butcher

#1054
June 24, 2015, 03:24:04 PM
Quote from: Warthur;837948If my gaming group held me at gunpoint and made me run Exalted, I'd just run it off FATE. Your Exalted type is an Aspect, stunting and charms allow you to inflict appropriate temporary Aspects on targets, badaboom job done let's go.

Very abstract games such as FATE and Heroquest do such a smooth, no-fuss job of handling "larger-than-life characters and amazing superpowers" that I am truly sorry I can't seem to get them to work for me.

Nexus

#1055
June 24, 2015, 03:24:23 PM
Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;837956I liked D&D4 and the combats were long but relatively straight forward. Exatled 3 has long combats (I assume, I cant figure out how they could be fast) and isn't relatively straight forward.

The straight forward part is important.

Hm, that's true. I'm not familiar with DandD 4th though.
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Warboss Squee

#1056
June 25, 2015, 01:25:47 AM
I love Holden's statement that putting out previews would be to much of a time sink. Which hasn't seemed to bother FFGs with their very open betas, or WotC for D&D 5th, or hell, OP as a whole.

What a bunch of crap.

DisgruntleFairy

#1057
June 25, 2015, 01:40:27 AM
Quote from: Warboss Squee;838023I love Holden's statement that putting out previews would be to much of a time sink. Which hasn't seemed to bother FFGs with their very open betas, or WotC for D&D 5th, or hell, OP as a whole.

What a bunch of crap.

Pretty early on I pressed Holden about the closed development. Ultimately it boiled down to him just not wanting to do it. He was pretty explicit and said something like "I just dont want to deal with it."

Marvelous_Metal_Man

#1058
June 25, 2015, 02:02:57 AM
Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;838025Pretty early on I pressed Holden about the closed development. Ultimately it boiled down to him just not wanting to do it. He was pretty explicit and said something like "I just dont want to deal with it."

I gotta wonder how he thinks keeping things under wraps is going to work out for 3e in the long run.  Design by committee is a fucking terrible idea yeah, but a decade of failed promises, there's no reason to be secretive.  Being open and honest with the consumers would have made things much easier on the project.

But they didn't and I've decided to go ahead and use Mutants and Masterminds to run my own personal vision of Exalted, so fuck it.

Baron Opal

#1059
June 26, 2015, 11:12:08 AM
A decade? They've only been working on it for, what, 3 years?

"Only", he says...

I am surprised that it took so long given that it was a successful Kickstarter (whatever that meant). There was a comment at some point that someone said, "if you think that gave us an operating budget, you don't understand this business model." My only reply to that is, "I guess you're right, I don't." I can cut people some slack when you are a bunch of people doing this in your spare time after your day-job. But, when you raise a bunch of money* it should become a priority.

* I don't know how much, I haven't really looked into it. I may be missing something.

Nexus

#1060
June 26, 2015, 11:21:18 AM
Quote from: Baron Opal;838178A decade? They've only been working on it for, what, 3 years?

"Only", he says...

I think it was referring to the entire life of the Exalted line not just 3rd Edition.

Quote from: Baron Opal;838178* I don't know how much, I haven't really looked into it. I may be missing something.

IIRC: Somewhere over 600 thousand.
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 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Brand55

#1061
June 26, 2015, 11:41:35 AM
It was $684,755. Nearly three-quarters of a million dollars were handed to these guys, and so far they've thoroughly managed to screw things up.

I'm sure that eventually there will be many happy fans, but there will also be hundreds of pissed off people who will never give these devs another dime. Considering how many books they (eventually) want to put out, that's a lot of lost sales based entirely on how poorly they've managed this Kickstarter and failed to communicate well.

Bedrockbrendan

#1062
June 26, 2015, 11:54:07 AM
Quote from: Brand55;838182It was $684,755. Nearly three-quarters of a million dollars were handed to these guys, and so far they've thoroughly managed to screw things up.
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That is a lot of money for an RPG. Smaller companies like ours make games for a fraction of that. What I find interesting is if a typical company invested half a million dollars into a game book, it is doubtful they would make the money back.

One Horse Town

#1063
June 26, 2015, 11:58:44 AM
What i would find hilarious is if they released a shitty b&w softcover. :rotfl:

Having figuratively run-off with that kind of money, folks are gonna be pissed if it isn't tip-top of the range.

Nexus

#1064
June 26, 2015, 11:58:58 AM
Quote from: Brand55;838182It was $684,755. Nearly three-quarters of a million dollars were handed to these guys, and so far they've thoroughly managed to screw things up.

Damn and that was just for the Bells and whistles edition and some stretch goals.
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