Quote from: jeff37923;479325Hmmm.....This gives me an idea....

Human + Elf = Half-Elf
Human + Orc = Half-Orc
Elf + Orc = Human

This is fantastic. Plain gold. Consider it swept for the next time I run a D&D-esque setting.

Quote from: Benoist;479376People keep saying that, but I actually never had alignments issues at an actual game table. Ever. It's typical internet ramblings born out of slanted "I don't like this" POVs and theoretical scenarios, as far as I'm concerned.

Well, I've had this kind of situations crop up A LOT in my own games, which ended leading me to adopt a solution similar to Pseudo's: you can detect certain energies, and that's that. More examples later, if you need or care about them.

Quote from: Benoist;479376People keep saying that, but I actually never had alignments issues at an actual game table. Ever. It's typical internet ramblings born out of slanted "I don't like this" POVs and theoretical scenarios, as far as I'm concerned.

This is an important distinction. Disagreeing with alignment because you can't get passed your own point of view versus disagreeing with it (as lordvreeg points out) because it doesn't fit your setting concept or preference.

Quote from: LordVreeg;479403ALignment is a setting-level rule.  It works well in settings with cosmologies  with cemented polar truths; it does not work well in settings without them.

like all pieces of rulesets (rules), it is good for some games and not others.  It is not a good rule or a bad rule.

Right, that's where I'm at. Are you tainted? Is your maiden virtuous enough to ride the unicorn? Can Galahad find the holy grail? Is there a disturbing presence in the sleepy little town? These are the sorts of things alignment is really meant to resolve.

Quote from: LordVreeg;479417I find that, while not a rule I use or personally like anymore, it is a rule best suited to a very skilled GM.  For a rule that has been around since the beginning of time, it is open to abuse and misuse from mediocre of bad GMs.  But it is a rule that can add a lot to certain games with a skilled GM.

It's a cooking spice oft misused or paired with the wrong food, but in the hands of a great chef, it can create foods that would be worse without it.

Word.

I prefer it for games I want it in, don't want it in games that I don't want it in.

Quote from: jeff37923;479325Hmmm.....This gives me an idea....

Human + Elf = Half-Elf
Human + Orc = Half-Orc
Elf + Orc = Human

I hadn't noticed that post! Thanks Ramon. Yes. That idea is gold. There could be all sorts of really cool elements of cosmology and history trickling down from this. I'd use that too!

Quote from: Imperator;479471Well, I've had this kind of situations crop up A LOT in my own games, which ended leading me to adopt a solution similar to Pseudo's: you can detect certain energies, and that's that. More examples later, if you need or care about them.

Sure. I'm always interested in good workable ideas.

Quote from: David R;479328And Stormbringer, next time brother, don't do the interpreting for dodgy open-ed pieces but rather formulate a post of themes which you think are interesting from the piece. I see hints of an extremely interesting discussion about the nature of good and evil in a setting's context and how this reflects on playstyle in your replies....something you and I have gone a few rounds on before.

Regards,
David R

I will not argue with your suggestion.    And gods willing, I will have that post formulated soon and we can go a few more rounds on it!

This thread is quite the trainwreck...

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;479828This thread is quite the trainwreck...

RPGPundit

Well sure. Get some piece of shit all-knowing "I am mature now and here's how all you guys are horrible racist, genocidal or deeply ignorant people (but I'm nice: you can take your pick)" adolescent comment about the "true meaning" of D&D, mix in some Team Left politics for good measure, and then just let the conversation unfold from there.

So, it's all about politics when there isn't a unanimous rallying to the cause now?

I sort of spaced out the last couple hundred ranting messages, but I don't recall any actual leftists especially mentioning politics. Once again, in his never ending crusade to fight off the imaginary hoards of "Team Left" from overrunning all conversation with discussions of politics, Benoist has flipped out and turned the conversation to an us vs. them of politics.

-Frank

Quote from: skofflox;479229We have been treated good for the most part. Perhaps the prevalent attitudes in Bens version of Ptolus are a bit more forgiving.

That then generates a question for Ben.
I am guessing that orcs in your game are not irredeemibly evil.
I am also guessing that there is integration of orcs as a demi-human species pretty widely.
So the question would be if your orcs were an irredeemible evil would you allow these 2 half orc PCs? And if you did then how would the world treat them if all other orcs are snarling monsters?

Oh and for skofflox are the 2 PCs twins? If they aren't then how did their parentage work out? Was dad a tired old orc who hung up his cleaving axe and settled down with a chubby human lass or did mum just happen to live on the borders of the Orcish lands and was just really bad at hiding when the orc raiders came to town? Or perhaps she was an orcish pleasure slave dragged behind the Human army and used as a punishment for the enlisted men?
Just curious....

Quote from: jibbajibba;480085That then generates a question for Ben.
I am guessing that orcs in your game are not irredeemibly evil.
I am also guessing that there is integration of orcs as a demi-human species pretty widely.
So the question would be if your orcs were an irredeemible evil would you allow these 2 half orc PCs? And if you did then how would the world treat them if all other orcs are snarling monsters?

Oh and for skofflox are the 2 PCs twins? If they aren't then how did their parentage work out? Was dad a tired old orc who hung up his cleaving axe and settled down with a chubby human lass or did mum just happen to live on the borders of the Orcish lands and was just really bad at hiding when the orc raiders came to town? Or perhaps she was an orcish pleasure slave dragged behind the Human army and used as a punishment for the enlisted men?
Just curious....

We are not twins though very close in age.

Don't know for sure. The story is we were left on the doorstep of a Charlathan monastic community. Runch imagines she was a slave that managed to escape before giving birth to Tudd, the younger of the two, with Runch at the breast. After getting to Ptolus she left us due to shame/guilt or to give us a chance for a better life via the Charlathan brotherhood. I (Runch ) prefer to think it the latter.
:idunno:
This could all be heresay as well. Spoon fed to us by the Brothers to avoid the ugly truth...?!

Part of Runch's drive is to eventualy find out more about his mother/father though he doesn't hold out much hope at this point.

The backstory has not been developed much and I am not sure it will or is even important. Depends on the length/focus of the game.
Not everyone has been friendly towards us.

Maybe Runch wants to save Erarht so he can believe there is hope that, if he ever finds his father, he to can be "saved" or maybe Erarht represents Runch/Tudds own Orcish nature that I want to come to terms with...Runch is very religious and Charlathan is a Trickster type given to change/chaos (in a nut shell) so who knows...:hmm:

I based the Character off the horribly mutated warrior "Runch", a minor character, from the "Erthring Cycle" by Wayland Drew.
Runch is an unforgiving warrior who shows tenderness to his lover (a mutant though she was once an agent for the purestrains) and concern for his folk who are persecuted and hunted by the Yggdrasilian Humans. Some of my favorite Post Apoc. fiction...

Good times!

Quote from: FrankTrollman;480084I sort of spaced out the last couple hundred ranting messages, but I don't recall any actual leftists especially mentioning politics. Once again, in his never ending crusade to fight off the imaginary hoards of "Team Left" from overrunning all conversation with discussions of politics, Benoist has flipped out and turned the conversation to an us vs. them of politics.

-Frank

I hate to agree with a Lefty, but I thought Frank's posts on this thread (the several dozen I've read) were pretty civilised overall, and if anything the Lefties were actually more sinned against than sinning here.  Maybe baggage from other threads makes it look different to rpgsite regulars, I only pop in here occasionally.

Given the culture that they are indoctrinated in, I think it takes a lot of self restraint for the Leftists (technically: adherents of New Left dialectic) to act in a civilised manner in threads like this, and the opposing team (who are mostly all Libertarians not Traditionalists here, from what I can tell) ought to give them some credit.

What have the lefties to do with anything? Apart from the simple fact that if you don't like killing orcs you must be a commie mutant traitor, I mean.

Some of you political types are like a sexual fetishist, seeing qualities in a thing it doesn't have. An rpg session is not inherently a political act, any more than a shoe is inherently a sexual object. Just because you decide to leave a small puddle of sexual secretions there doesn't make the D&D DMG a political tract.

Now! shut the fuck up and roll the dice, you freaks. Adam Gray, this game session is about killing orcs. Morrow, the orcs are conservative, but they're going to die anyway, sorry. GameDaddy, some NPCs may be gay. Vmerc, you can play a girl if you want, nobody cares. Benoist, stop searching on your laptop for stupid shit to show us and distract from the game session. Just roll the fucking dice, and someone pass me the cheetos.

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you lot? Roll the dice.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;480100Some of you political types are like a sexual fetishist, seeing qualities in a thing it doesn't have. An rpg session is not inherently a political act, any more than a shoe is inherently a sexual object.

Yeah, but... in that New Left diaelectic "The Personal is Political" and everything is a political act.  We don't have to agree, but it's worth understanding that they've been indoctrinated in this stuff - they were the guys actually paying attention in the compulsory Citizenship/Civics class, in the Diversity Training seminars and all the other places where the Left-Leitkultur is disseminated.

Edit:  At the game table I do of course shut the fuck up and roll the dice, just as you advocate.