Quote from: Sigmund;480405I don't agree. It would be possible in any game that contains orcs, RPG or not.

Did you mean something like HeroScape, Warhammer, or even WoW?

Stormy - You are aware that Stormfront and other racist organizations use a variety of indoctrination tools, right?  Video games, boardgames, card games, children's books all repurposed to spreading their message.

If you weren't such a useless troll trying to vaguely score a semantic point where none exists to be scored, you'd have the balls to actually say what your point really is.

Since RPGs contain races and can thus be used for racist purposes.....then what?  

If that's actually your whole point then, umm...well done?  Stormfront does indeed pervert D&D for racist purposes, in case you can't figure that out, that's actually a requirement for them to do what I said, bringing racism to the game themselves.  That doesn't contradict the fact that whatever they bring comes from them, again what I've said for god knows how many posts now.

Oh yeah, then there's the useless trolling part trying to get back at me for repeatedly demonstrating you as being full of shit by claiming contradiction when there wasn't one.  Please continue demonstrating either your dwindling troll powers or how stupid or petty you actually are.

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Goddamn it, Kyle keeps dragging me back to gaming.  I broke my Ermey promise, I must atone.  Fine. I guess when even fucking Swearengen complains of too much talking, there's something to it.

Storm, PM me when you want to talk about something other then what I didn't say, or the stunning revelation that ideas can be put to evil use.  The weak declaration of victory you'll eventually post is just assumed.

My balls are dry and my palm is chapped, I must leave the circle jerk.

I'll get back to work on trying to map out the Border Kingdoms for my MRQII Conan campaign using CC3.

Quote from: CRKrueger;480706If you weren't such a useless troll trying to vaguely score a semantic point where none exists to be scored, you'd have the balls to actually say what your point really is.

I've said it a number of times.  But for clarity's sake:
You are all a bunch of pussies, not only for posting some random, private G+ rant from a person that isn't even here to defend their own points, but mostly because of the vehement denials that there is a darker side to the hobby.  A darker side that is quite a bit easier to express with RPGs.

QuoteSince RPGs contain races and can thus be used for racist purposes.....then what?  

I'm actually getting kind of tired having to fucking explain this one, so it has to be wilful ignorance on your part now.

QuoteIf that's actually your whole point then, umm...well done?  Stormfront does indeed pervert D&D for racist purposes, in case you can't figure that out, that's actually a requirement for them to do what I said, bringing racism to the game themselves.  That doesn't contradict the fact that whatever they bring comes from them, again what I've said for god knows how many posts now.

A point absolutely no one has contested.  Not one fucking person participating on this thread has made the claim you think they did, that racism is inherent to RPGs.  You brought that in entirely on your own, and now you are breaking your arm to pat yourself on the back for disproving the notion.

QuoteOh yeah, then there's the useless trolling part trying to get back at me for repeatedly demonstrating you as being full of shit by claiming contradiction when there wasn't one.  Please continue demonstrating either your dwindling troll powers or how stupid or petty you actually are.

Ok, sure, if you think dancing around the points that have actually been raised (not the ones you made up) and shifting the goalposts by adding 'intent' or 'inherent racism' is a repeated demonstration...  Well, you just get down with your bad self.  You are a modern day Plato for making up arguments and then refuting them like that.  Congratulations.

So, I'm waiting to hear what your point is.  There is a "darker side" to the hobby.  What is that supposed to mean?  Because it sounds so ominous but at the same time really doesn't mean anything.  If he does mean something, stand up and define what it is.  You waited til CRK logged off, but I'm your huckleberry.

I wrote an article for Knockspell Issue 6 that offers a quick and easy randomizer to make encounters with "generic brute monsters" more interesting.

The issue also has lots of other cool stuff.

BTW, if your gaming group or just yourself as GM, has an issue with the mass slaughter of orcs and goblins, then switch them out for humans instead and let the ethical issues of killing become an aspect of game play IF that is what you and the players want.

But you won't, because once you define it, it can be logically debunked, this nebulous, nameless, and/or non-existant "darkside" of yours.

Define it.  Come on.  Skin that smokewagon and see what happens.  Or are you just going to stand there and bleed?

Quote from: jhkim;480568Or do people think that I'm also just crazy?

This.

Quote from: CRKrueger;480711I'll get back to work on trying to map out the Border Kingdoms for my MRQII Conan campaign using CC3.

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The following picture captures the essence of a good D&D campaign.

Quote from: Spinachcat;480719BTW, if your gaming group or just yourself as GM, has an issue with the mass slaughter of orcs and goblins, then switch them out for humans instead and let the ethical issues of killing become an aspect of game play IF that is what you and the players want.

Now that is a great idea. Swap the orcs for human bandits and see if that changes the dynamic.

Quote from: Vmerc@;480698You're making yourself look absurd.

Quote from: Vmerc@;480718So, I'm waiting to hear what your point is.  There is a "darker side" to the hobby.  What is that supposed to mean?  Because it sounds so ominous but at the same time really doesn't mean anything.  If he does mean something, stand up and define what it is.  You waited til CRK logged off, but I'm your huckleberry.

You sure he waited till CK logged off ? If he's mean to you are you going to start another thread about how we should all get along and engage in civil discussion or are you going to just ignore him because he makes you feel crappy.

Just to get back to one of the themes I keep seeing whenever I read topics like these. I think all this boils down to is whether we view evil as irredeemable or not and how we define heroism. I think it's only natural that if we view evil as irredeemable then some gamers will have no problem about slaughtering irredeemabley evil creatures and their progeny (their definition of heroism presumabley unaffected by such a proposition). Others like myself take a different view.

Regards,
David R

Nope.  Not going to work.  No sidetracking this one.  He didnt say "evil" or anything else yet.  He said "dark side."  Define the term.

My mistake.  "DARKER SIDE" was the phrase.

Quote from: Vmerc@;480749My mistake.  "DARKER SIDE" was the phrase.

I think this is where I was getting hung up as well. I don't believe anyone is arguing that D&D can't be used by racists to promote their ideology, or that the inclusion of racial concepts are an obvious path for them to utilize. But guys like storm seem to be saying the problem is something of a natural outgrowth of the game. Whereas we are saying all mediums can be abused by racists one way or another. And just because racists are grabbing onto something present in D&D it doesn't make that something "dark". Nor does the existence of racists who game (or use the game as a promotional tool) mean the hobby has a "dark side".