Quote from: JesterRaiin;878727To this day I don't understand why people insist on tweaking rulesets to the point they no longer resemble original one, rather than simply switch to different one, more fitting their needs and tastes.

For the same reason hardcore hackers & computer gamers build their own desktops and racers are always working on their cars.

I've always wanted to do this to Rifts, probably starting with cutting down on the skill system.

If Savage Worlds Rifts doesn't wirk for me, I'll give it another try.

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;878766For the same reason hardcore hackers & computer gamers build their own desktops and racers are always working on their cars.

Can't say I understand that either. I don't even set a wallpaper on my PC/tablet/smartphone. ;]

Quote from: JesterRaiin;878727True, true.

To this day I don't understand why people insist on tweaking rulesets to the point they no longer resemble original one, rather than simply switch to different one, more fitting their needs and tastes.

I mean... What's the point? The energy & time wasted in the process should rather go to story & skill departments, as far as I'm concerned.

Creativity is a funny thing.  I find spending much time on story to largely be a waste of my efforts (my games run best with a single sheet of prep notes and a map), while time spent getting firearms to work the way I like to pay big dividends at the table.  

The world is great that we are all different beasts.

Quote from: JesterRaiin;878727To this day I don't understand why people insist on tweaking rulesets to the point they no longer resemble original one, rather than simply switch to different one, more fitting their needs and tastes.

Because it takes less time and money to modify the ones I have and know than it does to buy and read tens or hundreds of new games trying to find the one that will do what I want/need without needing any modification.  Hell, even if I were given free copies of every game and supplement ever published as they were published so lack of money would no longer be an issue, it would still take less time to mod something I already know well than to read them all in the hope that one would be just perfect RAW and then learn that one (assuming it exists) well and convert all y setting/adventure stuff to it.

Quote from: JesterRaiin;878727To this day I don't understand why people insist on tweaking rulesets to the point they no longer resemble original one, rather than simply switch to different one, more fitting their needs and tastes.

I mean... What's the point? The energy & time wasted in the process should rather go to story & skill departments, as far as I'm concerned.

1) It's fun!

2) You assume that my tweaks are meant to end up with something identical (or even similar) to an existing system.  This is often not, to the best of my knowledge, the case.  I mean, sure, it's conceivable that, at some point, there may have been a published RPG which was broadly similar to Shadowrun, Second Edition, but used RoleMaster-style crit tables to resolve the effect of damage instead of just checking off boxes on the damage track.  If such a thing exists (or existed), I've never heard of it, so, when I wanted to play that, I had to hack it up myself.  (And I retooled automatic weapons while I was at it, because "the entire burst hits or the entire burst misses" was stupid.  Not to mention tweaking the die rolling mechanic so that target numbers of 6 and 7 wouldn't be equivalent.  And...)

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;878587We've all ignored a few rules here and there, but have you ever slashed a particular rule set down to the bone??

Well, I slashed RQ6 to the bone, merged it with Maelstrom Domesday's list of attributes, and only kept Combat Manoeuvres:).

QuoteWhy?

I was running Exalted on the summer camp of the fencing school where I train, and needed a system for Exalted I could explain in 15 minutes;).

 

QuoteHow did the players respond? Any resentment over not getting the game they hoped for?

None whatsoever, only two of them knew what Runequest 6 is, have never played it, and they were both there to play Exalted, not quibble over the fine points of a system.

Quote from: AsenRG;878956on the summer camp of the fencing school where I train

Interesting, what styles?  Have you ever attempted to alter a kind of crunchy system like RQ6 to more accurately represent different real world combat styles?

Quote from: CRKrueger;878961Interesting, what styles?

It's Historical European Fencing of the HEMA variety:).

QuoteHave you ever attempted to alter a kind of crunchy system like RQ6 to more accurately represent different real world combat styles?

It already does that quite well, especially with Combat Styles. I guess we could try and make it do even more, but we'd end with a mix between RQ6, TRoS, LotW, GURPS Martial Arts, Millennium's End and Unknown Armies;).

Quote from: Old One Eye;878756AD&D 1e pretty much requires stripping the rules down.  Nobody has ever complaines, because it is nigh impossible to figure out all the rules anyhow.  

I always looked at those big books and all the stuff crammed in them as the equivalent of a big box of LEGOs dumped out in the floor in front of me, with a Post-It that reads:

"See what you can make out of this -have fun!"

Quote from: Old One Eye;878756AD&D 1e pretty much requires stripping the rules down.  Nobody has ever complaines, because it is nigh impossible to figure out all the rules anyhow.  

1e is really modular. You can rip giant chunks out of it and it still runs just fine.

Few people give Gygax enough credit as a designer for this.

I wonder what percentage of DMs ever used the weapon type vs AC rules.

Quote from: yosemitemike;879029I wonder what percentage of DMs ever used the weapon type vs AC rules.

No idea, I've never used it.  However, I find weapon length absolutely integral to the system and think latter editions are weaker for not including.

Quote from: yosemitemike;879029I wonder what percentage of DMs ever used the weapon type vs AC rules.

A better question would be "How many used it after they tried it?"

The training/ style points part of the DMG was for me, the most useless part of any RPG I've ever seen.

Quote from: yosemitemike;879029I wonder what percentage of DMs ever used the weapon type vs AC rules.

There was a point when I was including something like it in games that used GURPS, because that's one of the better rules of D&D in my book;).