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Essence20 - What's going on here?

Started by mcbobbo, December 25, 2023, 10:28:33 AM

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BadApple

#45
December 28, 2023, 02:12:36 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 28, 2023, 01:59:14 AM
Quote from: BadApple on December 28, 2023, 01:45:56 AM
Renegade is full of lazy and sloppy game designers. The worst part is that the books themselves have passages that demonstrate that they know they didn't get it right.  Altered Carbon has a paragraph explaining that they know the odds of a critical failure increase as the PC skills increase but that's ok because nonsense shitty reasoning.

It's so dumb because the super simple house rule fix is to put crits on the d20 instead of the skill dice. (I'm assuming Altered Carbon is the same engine...)

Altered Carbon is more like Savage Worlds with the order of the dice reversed.  They made it a roll under rather than a highest result system.  This means that the d4 is the strongest die. 

The down side is that the highest value on the die is the failure point and if you roll two or more, it's a critical failure.  The odds of a critical failure with the strongest skills (a 2d4 roll or more d4s) results in the odds of a critical failure of 1:16 while the odds at the low end (2d12) is 1:144.  It's a bit more complicated than I'm laying out here but that's the gist of it.
>Blade Runner RPG
Terrible idea, overwhelming majority of ttrpg players can't pass Voight-Kampff test.
    - Anonymous

Grognard GM

#46
December 28, 2023, 02:28:37 AM
Quote from: BadApple on December 28, 2023, 02:12:36 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 28, 2023, 01:59:14 AM
Quote from: BadApple on December 28, 2023, 01:45:56 AM
Renegade is full of lazy and sloppy game designers. The worst part is that the books themselves have passages that demonstrate that they know they didn't get it right.  Altered Carbon has a paragraph explaining that they know the odds of a critical failure increase as the PC skills increase but that's ok because nonsense shitty reasoning.

It's so dumb because the super simple house rule fix is to put crits on the d20 instead of the skill dice. (I'm assuming Altered Carbon is the same engine...)

Altered Carbon is more like Savage Worlds with the order of the dice reversed.  They made it a roll under rather than a highest result system.  This means that the d4 is the strongest die. 

The down side is that the highest value on the die is the failure point and if you roll two or more, it's a critical failure.  The odds of a critical failure with the strongest skills (a 2d4 roll or more d4s) results in the odds of a critical failure of 1:16 while the odds at the low end (2d12) is 1:144.  It's a bit more complicated than I'm laying out here but that's the gist of it.

"We made a system with an inherent flaw, and didn't notice until we were committed, so just kept it. What you should do i...LOOK OVER THERE!" (sound of running feet)
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

BadApple

#47
December 28, 2023, 02:56:50 AM
Quote from: Grognard GM on December 28, 2023, 02:28:37 AM
"We made a system with an inherent flaw, and didn't notice until we were committed, so just kept it. What you should do i...LOOK OVER THERE!" (sound of running feet)

That's pretty much how I read it. 

If you develop a system that's broken, then I can forgive the attempt.  When you knowingly publish a broken system and demand $65 for the book, then you're engaging in fraud IMO. 
>Blade Runner RPG
Terrible idea, overwhelming majority of ttrpg players can't pass Voight-Kampff test.
    - Anonymous

mcbobbo

#48
December 28, 2023, 08:47:18 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 27, 2023, 03:45:20 PM
Quote from: Venka on December 27, 2023, 01:39:16 PM
And of course, nothing about that needs be public.

That's what makes the OT difficult. We don't know what agreements WOTC and Renegade studios may have regarding what they can and can't use.

My hope was they mentioned it at some point and someone here knew about it.

As it stands they seem to be trying to pretend that Essence20 is an original game system instead.
"It is the mark of an [intelligent] mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Grognard GM

#49
December 28, 2023, 10:40:33 AM
Quote from: mcbobbo on December 28, 2023, 08:47:18 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 27, 2023, 03:45:20 PM
Quote from: Venka on December 27, 2023, 01:39:16 PM
And of course, nothing about that needs be public.

That's what makes the OT difficult. We don't know what agreements WOTC and Renegade studios may have regarding what they can and can't use.

My hope was they mentioned it at some point and someone here knew about it.

As it stands they seem to be trying to pretend that Essence20 is an original game system instead.

I grok it as they wanted it to essentially be 5e, to lure in their D&D sheep, but different enough to sell new system books.
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/
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