Greetings!

You know, while it is true that racism exists in reality virtually everywhere, and is seemingly "commonplace"--there is another way of looking at life, and experiencing life as well. For example, living in Orange County, California for many years. At the time--many years ago as well--I and my wife then had been involved in various academic and professional environments. Our social circles were generally made up of highly educated, professional people--White, Hispanic, and Asians, with some Blacks as well. This kind of environment is generally financially successful, well-read, family and socially focused. When we moved to Colorado for several years, my wife, and myself, did in fact find it to be rudely shocking to encounter so many racist people. We found lots of white people that didn't like anyone different, but were especially against Hispanics. We found black folks that were especially racist against Hispanics. Of course, there were blacks and whites that were racist against each other, plenty, too. Lots of uneducated people, unread, uncaring, and yet full of stupid opinions. It was a sobering experience, especially so for my wife. She was appalled that there were so many uneducated, racist troglodytes there. Indeed, she was very happy to move back to Southern California within a few years, which we did.

I can imagine none of the people I'm thinking of from Colorado--or such similar people I've met out in the 909 area code of San Bernadino, for example, would last a minute in the professional, highly-educated social circles of Orange County, and similar areas of Long Beach and Los Angeles. Entirely incompatible. And if you live in such an environment, it is extremely unusual to meet someone that is an unapologetic racist. I've heard many of my wife's friends and colleagues from her work, as well as my own--that are entirely shocked at such displays of racism. Indeed, many educated professionals from San Diego, Los Angeles, Orange County, Santa Barbara, San Francisco, San Jose live in an entirely different world where people that hold such views are often seen as being like Neanderthals from the "Dark Ages."

And none of these highly-educated and professional people would hesitate for a second in banning such racists from their game tables and homes. No one in such circles would have any sympathy, nor would they care about whatever excuses such a person might offer. They would be seen as a horribly, primitive, beast, and the faster such a person is gone, the better. No one wants to be around uneducated, hateful, racists.

So, I can imagine a person feeling some level of shock and disbelief when actually encountering, "in the flesh" someone who is a genuine racist. Perhaps naively, but I've heard many wives for example at get togethers chittering with each other,

"It's horrifying that racist people like this are out there. Who the fuck thinks like that? It's so sad and pathetic! What a bunch of assholes these people are! My god, it's unbelievable isn't it? How do they get past high school believing such hateful stuff? Yeah, they're just hateful losers that you know...can't get any. *giggle*"

In many environments--at a university campus, at work, at the office for example, at church, at your daycare, at a favourite bar folks go to, or a coffee house--if it gets around that you are racist, holy fuck, you're done. You'd lose your job, and be shunned into a deep dark hole somewhere. But you would be vociferously socially confronted and rejected in all of the environments I described. It is so pervasive...yeah, a lot of people don't think that here, in the modern age, that there are racists out there. Except maybe living in some shithole trailer-park out in the fucking desert somewhere.

I can very well understand why many people would be quite shocked to encounter a loud and proud racist person.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SP23;1067142Shit, the little bastard showed up on the Reddit thread about this in dndnext and started trying to defend himself (incognito), until I called him out and he got the thread locked. He fucked up and revealed info that only someone at the game could have known, outing his identity. U/Demonweed if you care.......

Bolding mine.

Quote from: SP23;1067167https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/a27kx2/encountered_my_first_blatantly_racist_player/

Shitweasel deleted all his posts in the thread, but you can search by username and get a feel for his posting history. He'd fit in really well in the Pundit's forum.

OK, there are three comments by this U/Demonweed and several that have been deleted in your thread.

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Call me a racist if you want, but I still say only a fool would trust a dark elf.

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No, I have not played in your game. What sort of paranoid nonsense attention seeking is this? Obviously I've never met you before, and you reaction to that quip makes me wonder if you didn't concoct this entire implausible story just to get sympathy online. Next thing you know you'll be calling for bans if people tell you to watch your pockets around kender!

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What the fuck? I wouldn't know how to text you, and I certainly wouldn't want to have personal contact with anyone displaying this pathology. I responded to your thread here by making a joke about different races in the game. Apparently that was just too much for you too handle. Even if you don't give a shit about random strangers online, for the sake of your own sanity I ask that you check yourself. I mean seriously, by the sound of your group I'm guessing the dope you ought to expel couldn't even string together sentences like these . . . unless of course he is purely a figment concocted for the sake of the sympathetic narrative.

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You know, SP 23, this looks very questionable. Without the deleted posts to provide some extra information, it looks like this Demonweed poster made an offhand joke about the situation you related and you went overboard on him - a lot like you have gone overboard here on this forum. Now, this Demonweed poster could very well be the racist prick that you have described to us in your OP, however I question the common usage of the word "dope" by a 19 year old to describe someone disparagingly. Seriously, 19 year olds don't use language the way this Demonweed guy does.

Quote from: Azraele;1067172Yeah, what a wretched hive of scum and villainy. If only the very first response here had been a clear and unambiguous denouncement of racists and their awful games...



... Oh.

Greetings!

Azraele, I thought that your post was spot-on, and funny as hell. It made me laugh like crazy. Good stuff, man.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: jeff37923;1067174Bolding mine.



OK, there are three comments by this U/Demonweed and several that have been deleted in your thread.



You know, SP 23, this looks very questionable. Without the deleted posts to provide some extra information, it looks like this Demonweed poster made an offhand joke about the situation you related and you went overboard on him - a lot like you have gone overboard here on this forum. Now, this Demonweed poster could very well be the racist prick that you have described to us in your OP, however I question the common usage of the word "dope" by a 19 year old to describe someone disparagingly. Seriously, 19 year olds don't use language the way this Demonweed guy does.

Yeah, this is all smelling fishier than a tuna packing factory.

Greetings!

TUNA!!!!:) LOL.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1067181Yeah, this is all smelling fishier than a tuna packing factory.

It's almost like a vast Koparmenn (Sicarii) conspiracy!

At the RPG and Games clubs I run and help run, we have a strict "No politics and no Religion discussion" policy.
So people keep their views to themselves.

I've had one or two people over the years say stuff (from either end of the political spectrum) occasionally, but I put a stop to it immediately and so far people back down when I tell them to stop.

Quote from: SP23;1067167https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/a27kx2/encountered_my_first_blatantly_racist_player/

Shitweasel deleted all his posts in the thread, but you can search by username and get a feel for his posting history. He'd fit in really well in the Pundit's forum.

Wow. It's almost a mirror of this thread, along with you accusing anyone skeptical of being closet nazis.

Quote from: SP23;1067185It's almost like a vast Koparmenn (Sicarii) conspiracy!

Who or what are Koparmenn (Sicarii)?

Quote from: jeff37923;1067190Who or what are Koparmenn (Sicarii)?

What, you don't play MYFAROG?

Quote from: SP23;1067192What, you don't play MYFAROG?

I'm sure that you find that shocking, but no I don't. I've got very little interest in a racially motivated RPG written by a heavy metal musician convicted of murder.

You seem to be well versed in the game, though....

Quote from: jeff37923;1067193I'm sure that you find that shocking, but no I don't. I've got very little interest in a racially motivated RPG written by a heavy metal musician convicted of murder.

You seem to be well versed in the game, though....

Well, all my threads did result in the sales of a few copies, so........

Hey, since you guys are convinced I'm trolling you, I might as well do it for real. Kinda like how you can't talk most young fervent racist down from their ledge, a couple of you have made up your minds, and theirs no changing them. Funny that, set in your ways you'll refuse to see the truth and use any shreds of supposed evidence you can find to prove your theories....

This is the RPG forum, you jackholes.  If you're not going to talk about how to deal with a disruptive person at the table, fuck off and take it to Pungency.

Shield wife gets one point for a Grey Knights reference, though.

Quote from: SP23;1067122For the record, I give exactly zero fucks if you believe me. When I first saw your handle, I thought, ShieldWife, pretty good chance she's here to run interference for racism, and I think I was right. So, you too, can fuck off into the night.

You are reinforcing the impression I got when I read your original post, that perhaps the young racist was not that blatant and open, but as soon as you saw that piece of shit rpg you flared things up, that had he been left alone he would have said nothing, and that in fact you were the source of the interpersonal conflict in the game session.

Now, with people with such disparate views, some sort of falling-out was inevitable at some point. But my impression is that you made it happen sooner and loudly, rather than later and quietly. That is, you are a person who creates needless conflict. The advice in the AD&D1e PHB holds true in life as well as in dungeons: "keep in mind the goal, and avoid unnecessary encounters." By "encounter" Gygax meant "combat." Some conflicts are necessary and useful, others are not.

The goal of a game session is to have a fun game session. It is not to solve world problems or signal virtue. There'll always be some back-and-forth between players, and players and DM, and some of it will get heated, that's fine - so long as everyone keeps in mind the goal of a fun game session. I am sure that nobody, racist or not, would have enjoyed that game session. Your 19yo fellow player and you together destroyed the fun of that game session. Exactly who is more responsible is hard to say for anyone who wasn't there, but in general the older and more mature person has greater moral responsibility for what happens between themselves and the younger less mature person.

You should know better, SP, and behave better at your next game session.

QuoteHey I get it, therpgsite is a haven for proto-fascist, and you guys don't like people clutching their pearls just because they saw some naughty RPG

Not quite; I'm Jewish and vote for the Greens. But here we're talking about rpgs. And on game nights, we're sitting down to... game. Arguing politics at the game table makes as much sense as breaking out a copy of D&D at a trades union march on Parliament.

I am indifferent to people's politics while at the game table with them, nor do I seek to discover what offensive views they might hold so that I can hold them to account, subject them to mockery and scorn, and abuse everyone who associates with them. I run an open game table at GoodGames in the Melbourne CBD, and so we necessarily get a wide variety of people show up to play. If someone has very different views on life and gaming, I don't need to drive them out, they'll sense it and drift away in a few sessions, tops. And this avoids the experience of shouting and screaming and abuse and dividing people into "you're either with us or against us", which is counter-productive since that tends to make people say, "okay, fuck you then, we're against you."

The 19yo needs to put his copy of Myaforg away in the rubbish bin, and you SP23 need to learn to refrain from demonstrating your moral virtue at the game table, to shut the fuck up and roll the dice.

QuoteYou know, one of the reasons I posted this all over, was so the little racist prick can see how wrong he is.

He is indeed wrong. But he's 19 and he may grow up. It seems that you have not.

Quote from: RatmanYeah, this is all smelling fishier than a tuna packing factory.

No, I believe SP. I believe that a 19yo guy would have a copy of a dumb game, and that for SP, to whom signalling his moral virtue is more important than common courtesy towards those who've invited him to their game, and more important than having a fun game session, would keep pounding on the 19yo guy verbally until he got him to say something dumb and racist, and would then disrupt the entire session screaming about it.

Shut the fuck up and roll the dice, SP. I'll bet you didn't even bring any snacks to the game session, you secondhand cocksmock.

Quote from: CRKrueger;1067195This is the RPG forum, you jackholes.  If you're not going to talk about how to deal with a disruptive person at the table, fuck off and take it to Pungency.

If you have a disruptive player at the table you tell them to knock it off and play the game. If the disruptive player continues, either you kick them out of the game or you leave the game. Simple as that. No gaming is better than bad gaming.

Quote from: SP23;1067194Hey, since you guys are convinced I'm trolling you, I might as well do it for real. Kinda like how you can't talk most young fervent racist down from their ledge, a couple of you have made up your minds, and theirs no changing them. Funny that, set in your ways you'll refuse to see the truth and use any shreds of supposed evidence you can find to prove your theories....

Yup, you got us. This is all part of a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

I'll go ahead and remove myself from the thread now that my "evil" is done.