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Encountered my first blatantly racist player

Started by SP23, December 01, 2018, 05:31:09 PM

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Bruwulf

Quote from: SP23;1067136So you wouldn't be blown away by someone making a spirited defense of the virtues of the KKK? Someone going on and on about how poor David Duke's character has been impinged by that vile Spike Lee?

Lord no.

It takes something actually shocking to "blow me away". Being blown away by "racism" is like being blown away by "rudeness" or something. Deal with it however you care to and move on. The only one who can give it power over you is you, and you apparently let it.

What sort of homogeneous, gated-community lifestyle have you lead to be "blown away" by racism?

Ratman_tf

Quote from: SP23;1067142It's illustrative how differently this event is accepted depending on the forum, therpgsite, is nothing if not consistent.

Indeed. We've had people condemn racism, disagree about how racism should be handled at the table, and discuss possible approaches. It's not a hugbox here where everyone agrees in lockstep.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
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ShieldWife

Quote from: SP23;1067142Jeff it was only a matter of time before you questioned the narrative ;)

It's illustrative how differently this event is accepted depending on the forum, therpgsite, is nothing if not consistent. Pretty awesome that when people require further proof, said further information just reinforces the skepticism, it's almost (it is), that you guys have a mindset that won't accept certain events happening because it's just too outrageous. Perfectly fine to type all day long how SJW are destroying the world, but you can't believe a 19 year old owns a copy of MYFAROG and has a hard on for David Duke? Do racist not exist, wow, it's just utterly inconceivable that this could have happened.

Shit, the little bastard showed up on the Reddit thread about this in dndnext and started trying to defend himself (incognito), until I called him out and he got the thread locked. He fucked up and revealed info that only someone at the game could have known, outing his identity. U/Demonweed if you care.......

It looks like Reddit gave you the sort of attention you seem to desperately be craving. There might be other RPG forums (maybe a purple one) that are safe spaces where your heroism for surviving your brief but terrible enounter with evil personified will be widely acknowledged and praised.

SP23

Quote from: ShieldWife;1067151It looks like Reddit gave you the sort of attention you seem to desperately be craving. There might be other RPG forums (maybe a purple one) that are safe spaces where your heroism for surviving your brief but terrible enounter with evil personified will be widely acknowledged and praised.

You know, one of the reasons I posted this all over, was so the little racist prick can see how wrong he is. I doubt he knows about this dumpster fire, but if he ever finds therpgsite, he'll have found a home full of fellow travelers. (I'm not condeming everyone on this site, just the regular pundit's forum crowd.)

Bruwulf

Quote from: SP23;1067153You know, one of the reasons I posted this all over, was so the little racist prick can see how wrong he is.

Hi there!

Is this your first time on earth? Did your papers clear with the MIB travel agency? Good, good. Just a little orientation.

This is the dominant life form on the planet. It's called a "human".



I understand if things are different where you come from, but as a friendly heads-up...

No human being, ever, anywhere, will respond this way to your behavior.

ShieldWife

Quote from: SP23;1067153You know, one of the reasons I posted this all over, was so the little racist prick can see how wrong he is. I doubt he knows about this dumpster fire, but if he ever finds therpgsite, he'll have found a home full of fellow travelers. (I'm not condeming everyone on this site, just the regular pundit's forum crowd.)

Good idea. I'm sure that a person who likes MYFAROG and David Duke has never seen anybody disagree with those opinions before. It will come as a relatvation that there are some people out there who don't like David Duke.

Omega

Quote from: HappyDaze;1067069I've seen the violence such individuals can rise to. I've also seen the therapy notes where they lay blame on those that cast them aside. Is it the fault of others? No. They make their own decisions, but exposure to insensitive people like those you mentioned in your household certainly doesn't help them...or their victims.

The problem is... there is no good solution. And trying to talk to people like this can end up with you painted as a target. A sympathizer. Most people have no desire to risk that.
Can a bigot be talked down? Made to see the error of their ways? Sadly, not allways or even part of the time unless you get lucky. One reason being because often they are not alone. You'd literally have to round up the whole lot and de-program them or else you have an uphill battle. Its really no different from street gangs or cliques.

Back on topic.

On the matter of the DM not curbing this. As has been discussed before. Some DMs are doormats. Some just do not want to offend anyone even when one of the players is offending someone. Some just dont want to get involved. and so on.

It does not sound like that is the case here.

So walking may have been the safest option. See my point above about the problem of de-programming someone while they still are being programmed by the rest of the group. Hopefully not the case here.

The third possibility is that the problem player was just trying to edgelord. Badly. But I get the feeling the OP would not have reacted so unless the person came across as serious about this. Personally I'd have wanted to know why. But sometimes that isnt an option.

Case in point. I used to game with one of the developers for Natural Selection and then one day disagreed with some things he said which were not good and he went full tilt neo-nazi on me screaming "You Jew! You Filthy Jew!" and on and on. Then really went ballistic when I calmly pointed out a few little facts. I cut him off after it became all too apparent that he was totally off his rocker. Years later the company is pulling scams and stealing assets from other games. So probably was a good call to move on.

Other times I've tried to parse out the problem and see if the person can be sorted out. So far. No. But I am game to try if the option is there. Sometimes it just is not.

SP23

#67
Quote from: ShieldWife;1067155Good idea. I'm sure that a person who likes MYFAROG and David Duke has never seen anybody disagree with those opinions before. It will come as a relatvation that there are some people out there who don't like David Duke.

So then this did happen?

Most (almost all, who are aware of him), people don't like David Duke, do you? Were you also sad that mean ol' Topher Grace played him like a fool in a movie?

jeff37923

Quote from: SP23;1067142Jeff it was only a matter of time before you questioned the narrative ;)

It's illustrative how differently this event is accepted depending on the forum, therpgsite, is nothing if not consistent. Pretty awesome that when people require further proof, said further information just reinforces the skepticism, it's almost (it is), that you guys have a mindset that won't accept certain events happening because it's just too outrageous. Perfectly fine to type all day long how SJW are destroying the world, but you can't believe a 19 year old owns a copy of MYFAROG and has a hard on for David Duke? Do racist not exist, wow, it's just utterly inconceivable that this could have happened.

Shit, the little bastard showed up on the Reddit thread about this in dndnext and started trying to defend himself (incognito), until I called him out and he got the thread locked. He fucked up and revealed info that only someone at the game could have known, outing his identity. U/Demonweed if you care.......

I'm questioning your narrative because of the very defensive way that you are acting in this thread.

You encountered a racist and decided that his beliefs don't mesh with yours. Congratulations! You've just entered the Real World. The rest of this is you virtue signaling about how awesome you are for casting a racist out of your life, something that many of us do with little to no fanfare. Were you expecting adulation? The crowd roaring your name in praise? A cookie?

Now lets look at one of your responses to people calling you on your virtue signalling.

Quote from: SP23;1067122For the record, I give exactly zero fucks if you believe me. When I first saw your handle, I thought, ShieldWife, pretty good chance she's here to run interference for racism, and I think I was right. So, you too, can fuck off into the night.

1) If you really gave zero fucks, you would not have bothered to respond.
2) You do not bother to acknowledge and respond to ShieldWife's misgivings, but instead go immediately to attacking her character and then dismiss her outright. This isn't attacking her argument, but is instead attacking her.
3) You have gone completely overboard in your responses that follow. With the questioning of your story by a couple of people, you have decided that this entire forum is a haven for fascists and racists and racism apologists.

And you wonder why I think that your OP may have actually been "gotcha" bait?
"Meh."

SP23

Quote from: jeff37923;1067162I'm questioning your narrative because of the very defensive way that you are acting in this thread.

You encountered a racist and decided that his beliefs don't mesh with yours. Congratulations! You've just entered the Real World. The rest of this is you virtue signaling about how awesome you are for casting a racist out of your life, something that many of us do with little to no fanfare. Were you expecting adulation? The crowd roaring your name in praise? A cookie?

Now lets look at one of your responses to people calling you on your virtue signalling.



1) If you really gave zero fucks, you would not have bothered to respond.
2) You do not bother to acknowledge and respond to ShieldWife's misgivings, but instead go immediately to attacking her character and then dismiss her outright. This isn't attacking her argument, but is instead attacking her.
3) You have gone completely overboard in your responses that follow. With the questioning of your story by a couple of people, you have decided that this entire forum is a haven for fascists and racists and racism apologists.

And you wonder why I think that your OP may have actually been "gotcha" bait?

Jeff, you always find a way to be on the wrong side of things, it's a talent. My responses in this thread were level and reasoned until the apologist showed up. They can go fuck themselves, and I couldn't care less that you don't like the style I've responded to them with.

jeff37923

Quote from: SP23;1067164Jeff, you always find a way to be on the wrong side of things, it's a talent. My responses in this thread were level and reasoned until the apologist showed up. They can go fuck themselves, and I couldn't care less that you don't like the style I've responded to them with.

Yeah, yeah, I'm always on the Wrong Side because I ask questions and have reasonable doubt. Like Don Quixote tilting at windmills I am.

Again, if you couldn't care less, then you wouldn't be responding.

Quote from: SP23;1067142Shit, the little bastard showed up on the Reddit thread about this in dndnext and started trying to defend himself (incognito), until I called him out and he got the thread locked. He fucked up and revealed info that only someone at the game could have known, outing his identity. U/Demonweed if you care.......

Got a link to that Reddit thread? Because I haven't been able to find it in /dndnext.
"Meh."

SP23

#71
Quote from: jeff37923;1067165Got a link to that Reddit thread? Because I haven't been able to find it in /dndnext.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/a27kx2/encountered_my_first_blatantly_racist_player/

Shitweasel deleted all his posts in the thread, but you can search by username and get a feel for his posting history. He'd fit in really well in the Pundit's forum.

Abraxus

#72
Quote from: HappyDaze;1067138If you believe that then you do not understand what empathy is about. You can show empathy without accepting bad behavior.

I see the point you made. Yet too often I did exactly as you suggested. I showed both sympathy and empathy to certain people who behaved badly. More often than not it was a waste of time with them not changing how they act and behave. If one needs to be told that their acting racist is a bad thing well they are too far gone to be saved imo. Call em cynical yet I have been burned too many times with giving someone the benefit of the doubt.

Quote from: SP23;1067153You know, one of the reasons I posted this all over, was so the little racist prick can see how wrong he is. I doubt he knows about this dumpster fire, but if he ever finds therpgsite, he'll have found a home full of fellow travelers. (I'm not condeming everyone on this site, just the regular pundit's forum crowd.)

There goes any sympathy that had for what happened to the OP.

I see the OP is one of those types if one does not agree with them fully then we are with the enemy. For future reference just because you did not call out a poster by name on this forum as racist then try and hide behind the obvious dodge of making a blanket statement claiming we are all racist is the exact same thing. Calling myself and those who come here racist for not agreeing with you 100% shows a profound lack of maturity. What are you 12 or something. I do not appreciate being called a racist by someone who barely knows me. I don't care if you did not call me out by name using a blanket statement to do so then trying to hide behind it is some fucked up way of thinking.

Ratman_tf

#73
Quote from: SP23;1067153You know, one of the reasons I posted this all over, was so the little racist prick can see how wrong he is.

So this is some kind of internet vendetta. Protip: The prick isn't going to "see" how wrong he is. If anything, he's likely to double-down.

QuoteI doubt he knows about this dumpster fire, but if he ever finds therpgsite, he'll have found a home full of fellow travelers. (I'm not condeming everyone on this site, just the regular pundit's forum crowd.)

Oh no. Guilt by association. I'm so afraid of being thought of as a racist by strangers on the internet. [/deadpan]
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Azraele

Quote from: SP23;1067136Hey I get it, therpgsite is a haven for proto-fascist, and you guys don't like people clutching their pearls just because they saw some naughty RPG. Whatever, I think people like you and ShieldWife are showing your true colors in the defense of racism, fucking pedes.

Yeah, what a wretched hive of scum and villainy. If only the very first response here had been a clear and unambiguous denouncement of racists and their awful games...

Quote from: Azraele;1066999They're out there; clutching their copies of Myfarog and binge-watching the first half of American History X. I don't know how common the little cockroaches are, but I'm sorry to hear you encountered one. Generally the worst I encounter is someone openly and unapologetically misogynistic to my female players. This dickhead was clearly a whole deeper level of failure.

What always takes me off-guard me is how surprised they are when I point them to the door. It adds weight to my theory that "the RPG community" is just one of many rungs of the social ladder they smash their chin on in their ultimate topple to becoming basement-dwelling, misanthropic hermits.

... Oh.
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