Quote from: SHARK;1067055It may sound harsh, but that's how life can be.

It's not harsh, it's just the easy way. That doesn't make it the better way. If those that choose the easy path later become victims of those they so easily cast aside, they cannot honestly say they had no hand in making the monster.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1067064It's not harsh, it's just the easy way. That doesn't make it the better way. If those that choose the easy path later become victims of those they so easily cast aside, they cannot honestly say they had no hand in making the monster.

Greetings!

Dude, it's not their responsibility to reform anyone, like a racist. And furthermore, because people do not want to be around racists--or welcome a racist into their home--doesn't mean they have "a hand in making the monster." The racist needs to go an unfuck their lives, and take responsibility for themselves.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1067066Greetings!

Dude, it's not their responsibility to reform anyone, like a racist. And furthermore, because people do not want to be around racists--or welcome a racist into their home--doesn't mean they have "a hand in making the monster." The racist needs to go an unfuck their lives, and take responsibility for themselves.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I've seen the violence such individuals can rise to. I've also seen the therapy notes where they lay blame on those that cast them aside. Is it the fault of others? No. They make their own decisions, but exposure to insensitive people like those you mentioned in your household certainly doesn't help them...or their victims.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1067060I still say let the choice to stay with the group (and drop the racism) or go (and do whatever he wants) be his. Just make these two choices very clear and let him use his intelligence to make an informed decision.

Something along those lines was the plan late last night after the game ended, but upon further reflection some of the players came to the realizaton that the DM was a major component of the disaster. When presented with some pointed statements and requirements of improvement for the game to continue he chose the option to shit can the entire thing and no longer play with us, taking his racist buddy with him. No loss at all. While both of them were actually fantastic roleplayers, the best at the table by far, they decided that self-sabotage was the order of the day.

What I've been leaving out, is at the end of the night, the DM, decided to hit 3/4 of the party who were bound and under arrest with 2 CR 5 creatures (Shambling Mounds), against 3 level 3 PCs, with single digit HP, zero resources and unable to do anything but crawl slowly through the mud, having being bound by the arresting NPCs. So, purposeful DM induced TPK (except my character), I mean 2 CR 5 creatures vs. a level 3 party is potentially a TPK even with full resources and the use of one's limbs. That's a level of DM dickery that made the whole racist thing moot, because who wants to play in a douchenozzle's campaign anyways. He and his racist buddy can fuck off into the night.

Quote from: SHARK;1067066Greetings!

Dude, it's not their responsibility to reform anyone, like a racist. And furthermore, because people do not want to be around racists--or welcome a racist into their home--doesn't mean they have "a hand in making the monster." The racist needs to go an unfuck their lives, and take responsibility for themselves.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Preach it brother!

Quote from: SP23;1067062Well, both the problem player and the DM are no longer part of the gaming group. The core members will just recruit new people.

Greetings!

Outstanding, my friend. Hopefully, the group can find some new members that are decent human beings, and cool. Having a good group that is on the same page with stuff, and doesn't have any basement-dwelling misanthropes is a lot more fun, my friend.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1067047I also get what you were saying about talking to such an idiot, perhaps seeking to teach someone in a sincere manner that their attitude is very morally wrong.

Where did I say that? You don't discuss things with them or reform them anymore than your First Sergeant did. You just slap them down and tell them to shut the fuck up and get on with the job. Your first sergeant didn't discuss anyone's racist feelings, he just told them their racist behaviour would not be tolerated and that they had a job to do.

That's the way the military does it, and honestly that's the way it should be done in civilian life. Slap the offender down and tell them to get on with the job.

Shut the fuck up and roll the dice!

I've role played with people from the far right and the far left and I've never had any game disrupted over political differences. I was in one game that had both SJW's and Alt-Right people and real world politics never became a issue in the game.

The OP's account actually sounds rather strange to me, because in my experience, most people on the far right of the political spectrum "hide their power level" until they get to know people relatively well. He might have been a trolling or contrary sort of person.

Quote from: ShieldWife;1067084I've role played with people from the far right and the far left and I've never had any game disrupted over political differences. I was in one game that had both SJW's and Alt-Right people and real world politics never became a issue in the game.

The OP's account actually sounds rather strange to me, because in my experience, most people on the far right of the political spectrum "hide their power level" until they get to know people relatively well. He might have been a trolling or contrary sort of person.

I don't think he realized that I would instantly know what MYFAROG is. He wasn't fazed in the least when I shut down his attempts of extolling Varg. Nobody goes out and buys one of the shittiest RPGs ever created, that has at best sold a few hundred copies, just to troll people. I think he actually thought I would think it was interesting.

He had zero problem making a spirited defense of his perception that David Duke's character was maligned by Blackkklansman. He apparently gives zero fucks, because, from what I witnessed, he actually buys into the whole "I just like European history, and why shouldn't I be proud to be white BS, that these morons tell themselves." At one point he was lauding the KKK for not being Nazis? WTF, he's a idiot. They sure seemed chummy in Charlottesville last year.

Also, your anecdotal experience are meaningless in the context of this discussion. MYFAROG exist, and has fans. I held it my hands for all of 2 seconds last night, and it was so surreal to see it in real life that I wanted to post about. Good for you that political extremes can get along in your games, but I kinda think your post is bordering on apologia for at best, a misguided racist.

Quote from: SP23;1066996So, last night was the first session of a new 5E campaign. One of the younger players, who've I've met a few times playing Age of Sigmar, & as a player in a session of my 5E campaign whips out a copy of MYFAROG before the session started, and then tried to explain what a great human Varg Vikernes is! I shut it down real fast, literally blown away that I was seeing a copy of this out in the wild (I've only read all the terrible things about it online), and encountering a person who is, well, deeply troubled at the least to believe reverently in white nationalism.

A short time later, he started defending David Duke, saying that BlacKkKlansman was a hit job on Duke, and started trying to white wash (pun intended) the KKK. Needless to say, the entire night turned into a shitshow, with a 3/4 TPK, tears, an hour long rage quit argument (we didn't meet the racist's high standards of what roleplaying should be, not withstanding the fact that this idiot is 19 years old, while some of us have been playing D&D for 35 years!)

The group is probably not going to continue, the racist will certainly not be invited if anyone else DM's a new game, and I'm extremely disappointed in the DM just by association with such a piece of shit player. Mostly just needed to vent, cause it was frankly unbelievable for me to encounter such a person in the real world!

That's pretty bad. I've sat at RPG tables that had Holocaust deniers playing in the game. I can't even be in such a store.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1067089That's pretty bad. I've sat at RPG tables that had Holocaust deniers playing in the game. I can't even be in such a store.

I had met the guy 3 or 4 times prior to this, and he seemed like a very intelligent, interesting guy, so I was blown away with what happened the other night. Maybe I failed an insight roll somewhere along the way, as our missing Marine player mentioned that the dude had an Aryan nation vibe going on previously. I probably didn't notice it in the past, because I was DMing, and had too much going on to dial in on his bullshit.

Quote from: SP23;1067086I don't think he realized that I would instantly know what MYFAROG is. He wasn't fazed in the least when I shut down his attempts of extolling Varg. Nobody goes out and buys one of the shittiest RPGs ever created, that has at best sold a few hundred copies, just to troll people. I think he actually thought I would think it was interesting.

He had zero problem making a spirited defense of his perception that David Duke's character was maligned by Blackkklansman. He apparently gives zero fucks, because, from what I witnessed, he actually buys into the whole "I just like European history, and why shouldn't I be proud to be white BS, that these morons tell themselves." At one point he was lauding the KKK for not being Nazis? WTF, he's a idiot. They sure seemed chummy in Charlottesville last year.

Also, your anecdotal experience are meaningless in the context of this discussion. MYFAROG exist, and has fans. I held it my hands for all of 2 seconds last night, and it was so surreal to see it in real life that I wanted to post about. Good for you that political extremes can get along in your games, but I kinda think your post is bordering on apologia for at best, a misguided racist.

Funny that my anecdotal experiences are meaningless when you present nothing but a single anecdote. I gave you the benefit of the doubt even believing your story, most of the time when I encounter someone making claims about some horrible Nazi experience, it turns out to be invented for the purposes of virtue signaling. Of course, I couldn't possibly know in this case so I will withhold judgement, but it is unusual.

It is also a bit odd that my post is supposedly apologia for racism, but somehow mentioning the fact that SJW's have been in games with me isn't an excusing their odious ideology or the immeasurable harm that it causes. Especially since it is vastly more powerful than the far right.

This racism hysteria that we have in the modern West makes McCarthyists seem tame in comparison. OMG, you met a racist, OMG you touched a racist book, did the mere touch of such an item of pure evil give you insanity points? Is your entire gaming group going to have to be cleansed by the Grey Knights because of exposure to Chaos taint? Even the slightest hint of a racist drives people mad, in fact even the slightest hint that someone else isn't equally outraged makes people ready to call for witch hunts. Meanwhile we completely ignore people who advocate far leftist policies which have killed or ruined countless lives.

I never said that MYFAROG doesn't exist, so there is one right wing extremist independent RPG publisher out there who has sold a few copies. I'll start playing the smallest fiddle in the world for you while I think about all of the major book publishing companies (RPG and otherwise) run by the far left, or the massive control they have over universities, media, entertainment, nearly everything.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1067032The DM is friends with a 19 year old?

"When they came for the Communists, I did not speak, for I was not a Communist.." I encountered the same thing today. David Icke is doing a tour of Australia, and people are trying to shame theatres into not hosting him. He's anti-semitic

Apparently he's not anti-Semitic https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke#Not_anti-Semitic - apparently some people (including actual anti-Semites) got confused by his sincerely held belief that 'Jew' in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was code for 'shape shifting alien reptile'.

Quote from: S'mon;1067096Apparently he's not anti-Semitic https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke#Not_anti-Semitic - apparently some people (including actual anti-Semites) got confused by his sincerely held belief that 'Jew' in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was code for 'shape shifting alien reptile'.

Oh, fine...that's alright then.

Icke is a fucking racist nutjob. He was a shit goalkeeper too.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1067004The proper response from the DM would have been to nip the drama in the bud by saying, "We are not playing MYFAROG today, we are playing D&D, now 6 orcs just showed up, roll for surprise." Whether the kid is invited back or not would depend on his response to that. People of all sorts of different ideas, even offensive ideas, can game together productively if they focus on the game.

Agreed. This is by far the best approach.

It is sometimes a good idea to have a "No politics" rule at a gaming table, as that can cut a lot of this out.