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EN World, the next RPGnet?

Started by Grognard GM, February 08, 2023, 04:32:05 PM

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S'mon

#30
February 09, 2023, 01:30:32 PM Last Edit: February 09, 2023, 01:32:20 PM by S'mon
Quote from: ClusterFluster on February 09, 2023, 12:53:29 PM
What they've combined with their choice elements of Marxism arises from the "progressive" intellectual movement (circa 19th & 20th centuries), notable for their American origins from the Ivy League crowd. Critical theory is the basis of CRT, for example, coming from Yale or Harvard (wherever). The USSR would have great interest in funding these academic currents of course, but given what has transpired today, at some point the USSR would've guessed that there was no more need to fund this beyond a self-perpetuating point; then, they wouldn't be at fault for declaring that this was "it's own thing that they do not want involvement or association with, as it's not the direction that we want to go." Group liberals in schools, get liberal thoughts out.

This is a bit OT but AFAICT critical theory (and postmodernism, which isn't Marxist in origin, but worse - French!) was always funded by the OSS>CIA as an *anti* Soviet/anti-Stalinist form of Marxism, not by the USSR. It was intended to be something more attractive to the bourgeois elites than Socialism's focus on the working class. The Frankfurt School worked for the OSS/CIA in the 1940s. The CIA actively funded Postmodern art & artists. It was seen as a corporate-friendly form of Marxism, a way to defang the threat. One reason Woke went into hyperdrive from 2012 was as a reaction to Occupy Wall Street, which was seen as genuinely anti-capitalist. You'll note that the Wokest news media tend to be the most CIA-friendly.

halfling rogue

#31
February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PM
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 08, 2023, 04:32:05 PM
So I post and read here because it seemed to be the last rpg site where you don't need to genuflect to Chairman Mao to be a member, when a new friend started telling me how great EN World is. The general impression he gave was that RPGnet is a cesspool, but this place leans too right, so EN World is a sweet spot, where it's just about the games.

It just so happened that while searching today, a link lead me to EN World. Remembering the recommendation, and wanting to give it a sniff test, I looked up their thread about the Kyle Brink interview and HOLY HELL! The place reeks of RPGnet about 2016.

https://www.enworld.org/threads/kyle-brink-d-d-exec-producer-on-ogl-controversy-one-d-d-summary.695136/

It's well worth reading the whole thing, if you can avoid throwing up your stomach lining. Here are a couple of gems, from site Mods, a sure guarantee that the site is a dead zer walking.

So a poster named Halfling Rogue makes a few posts with HIDEOUS bigotry like "you can't fight racism with racism." When people say Brink just wants to turf out leadership for being disgustingly White, not players, Halfling says:
Quote from: halfling rogueI don't see how his statement is any less racist just because he's talking about leadership at WotC.

In swoops a Moderator like a Superhero.
Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
Statements that desire for a diverse corporate makeup is somehow racist are a problem. Please don't suggest that.

To answer your question (in a way that I know does not brook further discussion) is that, like it or not, modern concepts of racism are dependent on socio-economic power disparity. Racism generally requires, "punching down," so to speak. Discrimination, racism, and bigotry then are not equivalent.

That, from a place of privilege, a move towards equity feels like someone is punching down at you doesn't make it so.

Halfling, at the 'die on your feet or live on your knees' intersection, replies:
Quote from: halfling rogueModern concepts of racism sounds like a bunch of commie gobbledygook.

The Mod swoops back in, to ban Halfling:
Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
You should know by now that moderation posts are not invitations for further commentary. Even if you forgot that is in the rules, I mentioned it explicitly in the post.

So, you are done in this discussion.

After the banning, any dissenters are VERY careful with their milquetoast posts of disagreement, and swarmed by activist types. But the crowning glory, the cherry on the shit cake was when the second Mod arrived, like Zeus' thunderbolt.

Poster Kai Lord had posted:
Quote from: Kai Lord"Fighting racism with racism" is still itself racist and wrong and shows that WOTC and Kyle Brink are really only about the optics of appearing inclusive when they are anything but.

He, however, had underestimated the IQ 1000 Mods, as he was told:
Quote from: DannyalcatrazMod Note:

You're not going to win people over with that position. We've actually got actual USA case law- some involving my own law school- that explicitly states that considering race to rectify past racism is not itself racism. Considering the harmed does not harm others; giving someone a hand up to your level after they been denied that progress doesn't push you down.

So you've played this card, but it isn't a winning one. You gambled and lost; all of your poker chips are gone. And so you must leave this particular table.



This thread has it all, purity spirals, "actually my son is biracial!", a professional grievance counsellor chiming in, wow.

Warning: reading 30 pages by gaslight may strain your eyes.


TLDR: EN World has joined the ranks of every other hobby forum, hollowed out by activist beetles, leaving only a husk of its former self.

Hi RPGsite.

I'm halfling rogue from EN World.

About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:

You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.

Anyway, you guys nailed it with this thread and I was tickled to see it being talked about here with sanity and reason, so I joined up!

Grognard GM

#32
February 09, 2023, 03:02:18 PM
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PMHi RPGsite.

I'm halfling rogue from EN World.

About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:

You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.

Anyway, you guys nailed it with this thread and I was tickled to see it being talked about here with sanity and reason, so I joined up!

I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

Opaopajr

#33
February 09, 2023, 03:02:51 PM
Quote from: S'mon on February 09, 2023, 01:30:32 PM
Quote from: ClusterFluster on February 09, 2023, 12:53:29 PM
What they've combined with their choice elements of Marxism arises from the "progressive" intellectual movement (circa 19th & 20th centuries), notable for their American origins from the Ivy League crowd. Critical theory is the basis of CRT, for example, coming from Yale or Harvard (wherever). The USSR would have great interest in funding these academic currents of course, but given what has transpired today, at some point the USSR would've guessed that there was no more need to fund this beyond a self-perpetuating point; then, they wouldn't be at fault for declaring that this was "it's own thing that they do not want involvement or association with, as it's not the direction that we want to go." Group liberals in schools, get liberal thoughts out.

This is a bit OT but AFAICT critical theory (and postmodernism, which isn't Marxist in origin, but worse - French!) was always funded by the OSS>CIA as an *anti* Soviet/anti-Stalinist form of Marxism, not by the USSR. It was intended to be something more attractive to the bourgeois elites than Socialism's focus on the working class. The Frankfurt School worked for the OSS/CIA in the 1940s. The CIA actively funded Postmodern art & artists. It was seen as a corporate-friendly form of Marxism, a way to defang the threat. One reason Woke went into hyperdrive from 2012 was as a reaction to Occupy Wall Street, which was seen as genuinely anti-capitalist. You'll note that the Wokest news media tend to be the most CIA-friendly.

From my academic tracing of threads from Media Studies, Art Studies, and other Humanities it converged onto similar points. That 'as far as I can tell' is shared by me as well. Which with MKULTRA, COINTELPRO, Operation: GLADIO, et alia makes for some diverse gaming fodder for mid-20th Cen espionage and unexpected locations for G-Men (Delta Green Mythos Pop Art The Factory with Andy Warhol? Done and done. Hell, it was parodied in Men in Black 3!  ;D).

And welcome halfling rogue!  :) We are teased as the Star Wars Mos Eisley Cantina of RPG fora, but at least WYSIWYG, right?  ;)
Just make your fuckin\' guy and roll the dice, you pricks. Focus on what\'s interesting, not what gives you the biggest randomly generated virtual penis.  -- J Arcane
 
You know, people keep comparing non-TSR D&D to deck-building in Magic: the Gathering. But maybe it\'s more like Katamari Damacy. You keep sticking shit on your characters until they are big enough to be a star.
-- talysman

rytrasmi

#34
February 09, 2023, 03:07:47 PM
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PM
Hi RPGsite.

I'm halfling rogue from EN World.

About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:

You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.

Anyway, you guys nailed it with this thread and I was tickled to see it being talked about here with sanity and reason, so I joined up!
Welcome to the site! We're just a bunch of regular schlubs, you'll fit in fine. But whatever you do, don't touch the
The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out
The ones that crawl in are lean and thin
The ones that crawl out are fat and stout
Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out
Your brains come tumbling down your snout
Be merry my friends
Be merry

I

#35
February 09, 2023, 03:11:11 PM
EN World may not be able to match TBP in the "heavy-handed bans" department (yet), but they already exceed TBP in the stinking sanctimonious sermons of their moderators.  Ugh.
I know how the illegals feel. I'm an alcoholic & they keep setting up these random DUI checkpoints. You have no idea what a chilling effect this has had on the alcoholic community. I know people who are too terrified to even drink & drive anymore. I am literally shaking... mostly in my hands...

Grognard GM

#36
February 09, 2023, 03:12:53 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on February 09, 2023, 03:07:47 PMWelcome to the site! We're just a bunch of regular schlubs, you'll fit in fine. But whatever you do, don't touch the

I don't even know why you bother warning them.

I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

~

#37
February 09, 2023, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: S'mon on February 09, 2023, 01:30:32 PM
This is a bit OT but AFAICT critical theory (and postmodernism, which isn't Marxist in origin, but worse - French!) was always funded by the OSS>CIA as an *anti* Soviet/anti-Stalinist form of Marxism, not by the USSR. It was intended to be something more attractive to the bourgeois elites than Socialism's focus on the working class. The Frankfurt School worked for the OSS/CIA in the 1940s. The CIA actively funded Postmodern art & artists. It was seen as a corporate-friendly form of Marxism, a way to defang the threat. One reason Woke went into hyperdrive from 2012 was as a reaction to Occupy Wall Street, which was seen as genuinely anti-capitalist. You'll note that the Wokest news media tend to be the most CIA-friendly.

Quote from: Opaopajr on February 09, 2023, 03:02:51 PM
From my academic tracing of threads from Media Studies, Art Studies, and other Humanities it converged onto similar points. That 'as far as I can tell' is shared by me as well. Which with MKULTRA, COINTELPRO, Operation: GLADIO, et alia makes for some diverse gaming fodder for mid-20th Cen espionage and unexpected locations for G-Men (Delta Green Mythos Pop Art The Factory with Andy Warhol? Done and done. Hell, it was parodied in Men in Black 3!  ;D).

I sit corrected

~

#38
February 09, 2023, 03:32:28 PM
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PM
Hi RPGsite.

I'm halfling rogue from EN World.

About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:

You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.

Anyway, you guys nailed it with this thread and I was tickled to see it being talked about here with sanity and reason, so I joined up!

Howdy there, fellow newb!

Mishihari

#39
February 09, 2023, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PM


Hi RPGsite.

I'm halfling rogue from EN World.

About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:

You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.

Anyway, you guys nailed it with this thread and I was tickled to see it being talked about here with sanity and reason, so I joined up!

Hello and welcome!  You may see some familiar names here, though some, like SHARK and myself, have been gone from ENWorld for quite a while

Krazz

#40
February 09, 2023, 04:53:22 PM
Welcome, Halfling Rogue, and congrats on making it out without bending the knee. It must have been bizarre to get a sermon about punching down from a moderator who declared everything you'd said wrong without evidence, then banned you from the thread so you couldn't reply. Now that was an example of punching down.
"The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing;
Rush in and die, dogs—I was a man before I was a king."

REH - The Phoenix on the Sword

Horace

#41
February 09, 2023, 05:10:41 PM
I used to be active on ENWorld. I made a lot of high-quality posts about DMing philosophy and adventure design. But the woke BS got to me a few years ago and I stopped going. Actually, it wasn't just the woke BS. It was the fact that the woke BS was protected "non-political" speech, but any dissenting opinion was deemed "political" and therefore forbidden. Only one side was allowed to express an opinion, and that opinion had to be shared by the moderation staff.

ENWorld has always been one or two steps behind RPG.net. It will continue to become what RPG.net is now, because

"Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing."

And, to add to that well-known maxim, every left-wing organization (or forum, in this case) becomes more left-wing until it implodes.

deganawida

#42
February 09, 2023, 05:17:32 PM
It was absolutely ridiculous.  I liked Halfling Rogue's post when he posted it, and was very much angered by his treatement.

Chainsaw

#43
February 09, 2023, 07:23:23 PM
I got banned there like 10 years ago.

Ratman_tf

#44
February 09, 2023, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PM
Hi RPGsite.

I'm halfling rogue from EN World.

About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:

You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.

Anyway, you guys nailed it with this thread and I was tickled to see it being talked about here with sanity and reason, so I joined up!

Welcome! I loved your response on that thread. Blunt and to the point.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung
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