So I post and read here because it seemed to be the last rpg site where you don't need to genuflect to Chairman Mao to be a member, when a new friend started telling me how great EN World is. The general impression he gave was that RPGnet is a cesspool, but this place leans too right, so EN World is a sweet spot, where it's just about the games.
It just so happened that while searching today, a link lead me to EN World. Remembering the recommendation, and wanting to give it a sniff test, I looked up their thread about the Kyle Brink interview and HOLY HELL! The place reeks of RPGnet about 2016.
https://www.enworld.org/threads/kyle-brink-d-d-exec-producer-on-ogl-controversy-one-d-d-summary.695136/ (https://www.enworld.org/threads/kyle-brink-d-d-exec-producer-on-ogl-controversy-one-d-d-summary.695136/)
It's well worth reading the whole thing, if you can avoid throwing up your stomach lining. Here are a couple of gems, from site Mods, a sure guarantee that the site is a dead zer walking.
So a poster named Halfling Rogue makes a few posts with HIDEOUS bigotry like "you can't fight racism with racism." When people say Brink just wants to turf out
leadership for being disgustingly White, not players, Halfling says:
Quote from: halfling rogueI don't see how his statement is any less racist just because he's talking about leadership at WotC.
In swoops a Moderator like a Superhero.
Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
Statements that desire for a diverse corporate makeup is somehow racist are a problem. Please don't suggest that.
To answer your question (in a way that I know does not brook further discussion) is that, like it or not, modern concepts of racism are dependent on socio-economic power disparity. Racism generally requires, "punching down," so to speak. Discrimination, racism, and bigotry then are not equivalent.
That, from a place of privilege, a move towards equity feels like someone is punching down at you doesn't make it so.
Halfling, at the 'die on your feet or live on your knees' intersection, replies:
Quote from: halfling rogueModern concepts of racism sounds like a bunch of commie gobbledygook.
The Mod swoops back in, to ban Halfling:
Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
You should know by now that moderation posts are not invitations for further commentary. Even if you forgot that is in the rules, I mentioned it explicitly in the post.
So, you are done in this discussion.
After the banning, any dissenters are VERY careful with their milquetoast posts of disagreement, and swarmed by activist types. But the crowning glory, the cherry on the shit cake was when the second Mod arrived, like Zeus' thunderbolt.
Poster Kai Lord had posted:
Quote from: Kai Lord"Fighting racism with racism" is still itself racist and wrong and shows that WOTC and Kyle Brink are really only about the optics of appearing inclusive when they are anything but.
He, however, had underestimated the IQ 1000 Mods, as he was told:
Quote from: DannyalcatrazMod Note:
You're not going to win people over with that position. We've actually got actual USA case law- some involving my own law school- that explicitly states that considering race to rectify past racism is not itself racism. Considering the harmed does not harm others; giving someone a hand up to your level after they been denied that progress doesn't push you down.
So you've played this card, but it isn't a winning one. You gambled and lost; all of your poker chips are gone. And so you must leave this particular table.
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This thread has it all, purity spirals, "actually my son is biracial!", a professional grievance counsellor chiming in, wow.
Warning: reading 30 pages by gaslight may strain your eyes.
TLDR: EN World has joined the ranks of every other hobby forum, hollowed out by activist beetles, leaving only a husk of its former self.
We knew ENWorld was just a little less shit than TBP, but thanks for the graphical demonstration of how far the maoist hole have they gone.
I stopped using ENWorld because of this reason.
I'm not interested in supporting a site whose management promotes hatred. So I stopped visiting their site and contributing on their forums.
"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own."
Are you really surprised? Marxists are just Satanists with better suits.
That was brutal. "Thank you" for sharing. (Quotes because I vomited in my mouth a little.)
Give a mod a little power and they think they're god's gift to truth and justice. Fuck 'em.
This is the only place where you can talk about normal stuff related to games like regular people. Is that right leaning? So be it.
Moderation here is nil, except when Pundit busts in like a shaved gorilla, but at that point let's face it someone has earned a bit of a thrashing.
A thought I had about when the Mod used a judicial decision like it's a mandate from heaven, so no-one may question it, is how these fuckers will flip on a dime as it suits their narrative.
I'd bet good money that the same guy was screaming a few months back, about how a few 'rogue activist Judges' can't overturn Roe vs Wade, and they should be removed from SCOTUS/life, and the ruling ignored.
It's "a private company can do whatever it wants...until it wants to do something we don't like" all over again.
Quote from: rytrasmi on February 08, 2023, 04:57:08 PM
That was brutal. "Thank you" for sharing. (Quotes because I vomited in my mouth a little.)
Give a mod a little power and they think they're god's gift to truth and justice. Fuck 'em.
This is the only place where you can talk about normal stuff related to games like regular people. Is that right leaning? So be it.
When you define Mao as a centrist then even the far left Democrats of 20-30 years ago are right-leaning by comparison.
The RPGSite isn't right-leaning; it's just a place where normal people are free to express what they really think without fear some self-righteous harridan is going to have you canceled for calling their ideas garbage.
The moderation is bad, and Umbran has always been incredibly obnoxious - I have plenty of left wing friends who find him equally insufferable. It's definitely not centrist, as you can see by their use of Marxist dialectical analysis, albeit they are clearly 'lumpen intelligentsia' without much understanding beyond standard media Narrative.
It doesn't feel like RPGNet to me. But being there too long is exhausting. It's definitely not the welcoming, inclusive space it was 20 years ago. They stopped being inclusive when they became Inclusive. That said, you'll note they do thread bans and 3 day bans, site bans are still rare. I wouldn't expect it to go 'full RPGnet' while Morrus owns it. While he is pretty strongly left wing by any normal standards, and gives Umbran way too long a leash* to abuse posters, he's no RPGnetter.
*Bit of a Darth Vader/Grand Moff Tarkin relationship, perhaps. ;D
Quote from: Chris24601 on February 08, 2023, 05:11:28 PM
The RPGSite isn't right-leaning; it's just a place where normal people are free to express what they really think without fear some self-righteous harridan is going to have you canceled for calling their ideas garbage.
I think it's a mix of both; it is somewhat right-libertarian in overall balance I think. You occasionally get right wing dogpiles on a left wing poster. But this is about the balance of posters, you don't get banned for being left wing.
I actually went and read a little of that thread and it actually made me laugh out loud.
The part where (my paraphrasing) "Well it's good they're trying to do good social justice hiring practices (now*), but it's hard to imagine that it's the same company that just tried to pull the rug from under us on the OGL."
HAHAHAHAH at no point do their small minds draw the conclusion that these things are not what they think they are and that they might be wrong. Typical millennial un-reasoning.
Has this new friend of yours never heard of RPG Pub?
Quote from: Tasty_Wind on February 08, 2023, 08:15:41 PM
Has this new friend of yours never heard of RPG Pub?
He may go there too, no idea.
He's a good guy, I imagine he posts and reads certain saner parts of EN World, and actively or unconsciously ignores the Woke shit. I know plenty of smart, chill people that think if they are understanding and tolerant, others will treat them the same.
Such an attitude is MASSIVELY frustrating, as the every aspect of Western society has been compromised because of the general public shrugging and ignoring all of the insanity, but it is what it is.
It's a kind of spectrum. I can see problems coming down the road while they're still miles away, and others that can't just think its fuss about nothing. Others can only see it in the rear view mirror several miles after the problem passed.
At least there a still some people pushing back against it.
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 08, 2023, 04:32:05 PM
So I post and read here because it seemed to be the last rpg site where you don't need to genuflect to Chairman Mao to be a member, when a new friend started telling me how great EN World is. The general impression he gave was that RPGnet is a cesspool, but this place leans too right, so EN World is a sweet spot, where it's just about the games.
It just so happened that while searching today, a link lead me to EN World. Remembering the recommendation, and wanting to give it a sniff test, I looked up their thread about the Kyle Brink interview and HOLY HELL! The place reeks of RPGnet about 2016.
https://www.enworld.org/threads/kyle-brink-d-d-exec-producer-on-ogl-controversy-one-d-d-summary.695136/ (https://www.enworld.org/threads/kyle-brink-d-d-exec-producer-on-ogl-controversy-one-d-d-summary.695136/)
It's well worth reading the whole thing, if you can avoid throwing up your stomach lining. Here are a couple of gems, from site Mods, a sure guarantee that the site is a dead zer walking.
So a poster named Halfling Rogue makes a few posts with HIDEOUS bigotry like "you can't fight racism with racism." When people say Brink just wants to turf out leadership for being disgustingly White, not players, Halfling says:
Quote from: halfling rogueI don't see how his statement is any less racist just because he's talking about leadership at WotC.
In swoops a Moderator like a Superhero.
Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
Statements that desire for a diverse corporate makeup is somehow racist are a problem. Please don't suggest that.
To answer your question (in a way that I know does not brook further discussion) is that, like it or not, modern concepts of racism are dependent on socio-economic power disparity. Racism generally requires, "punching down," so to speak. Discrimination, racism, and bigotry then are not equivalent.
That, from a place of privilege, a move towards equity feels like someone is punching down at you doesn't make it so.
Halfling, at the 'die on your feet or live on your knees' intersection, replies:
Quote from: halfling rogueModern concepts of racism sounds like a bunch of commie gobbledygook.
The Mod swoops back in, to ban Halfling:
Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
You should know by now that moderation posts are not invitations for further commentary. Even if you forgot that is in the rules, I mentioned it explicitly in the post.
So, you are done in this discussion.
Bless the Halfling. And yea, that looks just like the twiddle twaddle that RPG.net pulls.
It's EN World, they represent white leftard racism. If they could wear their pink klan hoods with a rainbow patch in public they would. The entire board is over moderated to be a leftard echo chamber, its horribad there. If EN World was a medical facility, every illness and disease would be a recommendation for suicide to save the planet, they are that woke.
It's a threadban. Yes, annoying, but no nothing like the level of The Big Purple.
I did think that "explanation" offered by the mods was not am appropriate moderator kind of response to that topic. He wants to post that as just a user, cool. But that wasn't a fine example of being a moderator.
Of course, those who think this pinko left-tard stuff is the one true way; believe that anything is justifiable, as long as it promotes their chosen ideology.
But if anything on earth goes against their chosen ideology; it is the work of Hades.
Their idea of tolerance; simply means that you tolerate, and affirm their every whim. But that tolerance only flows in that one narrow direction.
That site is trash. I got a site ban for sticking up for the new TSR when there was an outrage against them a few years back over some comments. Now the only forum I go to is this site since it is normal people sharing opinions and if they differ there is a civil discussion.
For more general RPG news, RPG Pub is pretty decent and the discussions are interesting.
And the forums for older editions/legacy seem to be all right (Knights & Knaves Alehouse, ODD74, Dragonsfoot, etc.)
Ports of Call:
Here, the Pub, the other ones listed, and if I want to stare into the Abyss: /tg. :)
"Mod Note:
You should know by now that moderation posts are not invitations for further commentary. Even if you forgot that is in the rules, I mentioned it explicitly in the post.
So, you are done in this discussion."
I've seen a lot of commie shit, but holy hell!
There will be no more coexisting. We're a couple of light-years passed that possiblity.
Greetings!
Ahh. EN-World flowing with all that Kool-Aid. Many years ago, EN-World was a fantastic place. Then, somewhere along the way, maybe 8, 10 or 12 years ago, it started to change distinctly. Whenever they started banning "SJW"; "Woke"; "Libtard". Essentially, they began to give the stamp of approval to all of the Libtard activists and rainbow hippos, and anyone that was Conservative or otherwise opposed to the Libtards would be leaned on against. You know, censored, counseled by the Moderators, "Warned" or banned. Whatever. It became pretty obvious to me, just reading through a few threads, that Libtards were favoured, anyone that was a rainbow hippo, were all anointed, elevated, and otherwise protected. Anyone that spoke against them were swarmed, with the Mods joining in condemning them, or giggling in joy as the screeching horde proceeded to attack anyone that dared to voice dissension from the sanctioned narrative.
Whenever it was I saw that stuff happen, in more than one thread, I noticed the pattern. That convinced me then and there that EN-World had been corrupted and taken over. I also noticed that most of my old friends were gone, and the few that were left--somehow still seemed to be only seldom participating. I haven't been back.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Homeworlds on February 09, 2023, 11:11:37 AM
"Mod Note:
You should know by now that moderation posts are not invitations for further commentary. Even if you forgot that is in the rules, I mentioned it explicitly in the post.
So, you are done in this discussion."
I've seen a lot of commie shit, but holy hell!
There will be no more coexisting. We're a couple of light-years passed that possiblity.
"When I am Weaker Than You, I ask you for Freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am Stronger than you, I take away your Freedom Because that is according to my principles." ― Frank Herbert
Are they...
Authoritarian Left?
Nope: Mark & Engels et al. were anti-queer (anti-pedo at that), even variably pro-slavery.
Libertarian Left?
Nope: They refuse to mind their own business as self-appointed morality police.
Authoritarian Feminist?
Yep: Checks all of the boxes of weaponized sympathy for political ends.
a.k.a. "Feminazis."
(QED)
Time to expand the compass lads!
Quote from: ClusterFluster on February 09, 2023, 12:18:50 PM
Are they...
Authoritarian Left?
Nope: Mark & Engels et al. were anti-queer (anti-pedo at that), even variably pro-slavery.
Libertarian Left?
Nope: They refuse to mind their own business as self-appointed morality police.
Authoritarian Feminist?
Yep: Checks all of the boxes of weaponized sympathy for political ends.
a.k.a. "Feminazis."
(QED)
Time to expand the compass lads!
They're a mutated Marxism. A Cold War weapon destroying the West long after its masters have died out.
Everything they do is straight out of the Marxist playbook we objectively know Soviet agents trained operatives with that they established within Western academia. They rattled around for decades not making great headway with the class struggle, but building numbers. At some point a bright spark had the idea to swap class for race/gender/sexuality, and cracked Western society wide open.
Would most of them even consider themselves so? No, they're the useful idiots. But groups like BLM's leadership loudly profess being Marxist, it's not a secret or conspiracy theory.
Let's not stray in to politics though, this is the roleplaying board.
I had to check the date on the OP. ENWorld has been like this for a long, long time. I was active over there for probably 15 years, and very sad to see a great community go down the toilet. I'll admit it looks like it's gotten worse though. Umbran's always been a real jackass as a poster, but back in the day he didn't abuse his moderator position.
Quote from: Mishihari on February 09, 2023, 12:42:03 PM
I had to check the date on the OP. ENWorld has been like this for a long, long time. I was active over there for probably 15 years, and very sad to see a great community go down the toilet. I'll admit it looks like it's gotten worse though. Umbran's always been a real jackass as a poster, but back in the day he didn't abuse his moderator position.
If you go back and look (not that it's worth the effort), it's really easy to trace the dissolution of EN World. Every time a moderator quit, they replace that spot with a moderator that was worse than the previous one. You know how that happens. The only thing that keeps them from crashing faster and further right this minute is that the big purple exercises a kind of reverse gravitational pull. That is, if the big purple went away, EN World would very shortly thereafter become it. And then BGG would become EN World.
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 09, 2023, 12:28:40 PM
They're a mutated Marxism. A Cold War weapon destroying the West long after its masters have died out.
Everything they do is straight out of the Marxist playbook we objectively know Soviet agents trained operatives with that they established within Western academia. They rattled around for decades not making great headway with the class struggle, but building numbers. At some point a bright spark had the idea to swap class for race/gender/sexuality, and cracked Western society wide open.
Would most of them even consider themselves so? No, they're the useful idiots. But groups like BLM's leadership loudly profess being Marxist, it's not a secret or conspiracy theory.
I'm aware of that, I'm only sketching out those absurd changes into a short hand joke.
What they've combined with their choice elements of Marxism arises from the "progressive" intellectual movement (circa 19th & 20th centuries), notable for their American origins from the Ivy League crowd. Critical theory is the basis of CRT, for example, coming from Yale or Harvard (wherever). The USSR would have great interest in funding these academic currents of course, but given what has transpired today, at some point the USSR would've guessed that there was no more need to fund this beyond a self-perpetuating point; then, they wouldn't be at fault for declaring that this was "it's own thing that they do not want involvement or association with, as it's not the direction that we want to go." Group liberals in schools, get liberal thoughts out.
QuoteLet's not stray in to politics though, this is the roleplaying board.
Fair enough, it's still frustrating that these "politics" forces into what should be an entertainment discussion site, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about what's happening to EN World at all.
The phrase really should be:
Death, *Politics,* and Taxes.
Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies on February 09, 2023, 09:39:29 AM
For more general RPG news, RPG Pub is pretty decent and the discussions are interesting.
And the forums for older editions/legacy seem to be all right (Knights & Knaves Alehouse, ODD74, Dragonsfoot, etc.)
Ports of Call:
Here, the Pub, the other ones listed, and if I want to stare into the Abyss: /tg. :)
Was about to ask about RPGPub...Every time some Google search sent me there, it seemed like an OK place.
Umbran is a fucking joke as is ENworld.
Quote from: ClusterFluster on February 09, 2023, 12:53:29 PM
What they've combined with their choice elements of Marxism arises from the "progressive" intellectual movement (circa 19th & 20th centuries), notable for their American origins from the Ivy League crowd. Critical theory is the basis of CRT, for example, coming from Yale or Harvard (wherever). The USSR would have great interest in funding these academic currents of course, but given what has transpired today, at some point the USSR would've guessed that there was no more need to fund this beyond a self-perpetuating point; then, they wouldn't be at fault for declaring that this was "it's own thing that they do not want involvement or association with, as it's not the direction that we want to go." Group liberals in schools, get liberal thoughts out.
This is a bit OT but AFAICT critical theory (and postmodernism, which isn't Marxist in origin, but worse - French!) was always funded by the OSS>CIA as an *anti* Soviet/anti-Stalinist form of Marxism, not by the USSR. It was intended to be something more attractive to the bourgeois elites than Socialism's focus on the working class. The Frankfurt School worked for the OSS/CIA in the 1940s. The CIA actively funded Postmodern art & artists. It was seen as a corporate-friendly form of Marxism, a way to defang the threat. One reason Woke went into hyperdrive from 2012 was as a reaction to Occupy Wall Street, which was seen as genuinely anti-capitalist. You'll note that the Wokest news media tend to be the most CIA-friendly.
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 08, 2023, 04:32:05 PM
So I post and read here because it seemed to be the last rpg site where you don't need to genuflect to Chairman Mao to be a member, when a new friend started telling me how great EN World is. The general impression he gave was that RPGnet is a cesspool, but this place leans too right, so EN World is a sweet spot, where it's just about the games.
It just so happened that while searching today, a link lead me to EN World. Remembering the recommendation, and wanting to give it a sniff test, I looked up their thread about the Kyle Brink interview and HOLY HELL! The place reeks of RPGnet about 2016.
https://www.enworld.org/threads/kyle-brink-d-d-exec-producer-on-ogl-controversy-one-d-d-summary.695136/ (https://www.enworld.org/threads/kyle-brink-d-d-exec-producer-on-ogl-controversy-one-d-d-summary.695136/)
It's well worth reading the whole thing, if you can avoid throwing up your stomach lining. Here are a couple of gems, from site Mods, a sure guarantee that the site is a dead zer walking.
So a poster named Halfling Rogue makes a few posts with HIDEOUS bigotry like "you can't fight racism with racism." When people say Brink just wants to turf out leadership for being disgustingly White, not players, Halfling says:
Quote from: halfling rogueI don't see how his statement is any less racist just because he's talking about leadership at WotC.
In swoops a Moderator like a Superhero.
Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
Statements that desire for a diverse corporate makeup is somehow racist are a problem. Please don't suggest that.
To answer your question (in a way that I know does not brook further discussion) is that, like it or not, modern concepts of racism are dependent on socio-economic power disparity. Racism generally requires, "punching down," so to speak. Discrimination, racism, and bigotry then are not equivalent.
That, from a place of privilege, a move towards equity feels like someone is punching down at you doesn't make it so.
Halfling, at the 'die on your feet or live on your knees' intersection, replies:
Quote from: halfling rogueModern concepts of racism sounds like a bunch of commie gobbledygook.
The Mod swoops back in, to ban Halfling:
Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
You should know by now that moderation posts are not invitations for further commentary. Even if you forgot that is in the rules, I mentioned it explicitly in the post.
So, you are done in this discussion.
After the banning, any dissenters are VERY careful with their milquetoast posts of disagreement, and swarmed by activist types. But the crowning glory, the cherry on the shit cake was when the second Mod arrived, like Zeus' thunderbolt.
Poster Kai Lord had posted:
Quote from: Kai Lord"Fighting racism with racism" is still itself racist and wrong and shows that WOTC and Kyle Brink are really only about the optics of appearing inclusive when they are anything but.
He, however, had underestimated the IQ 1000 Mods, as he was told:
Quote from: DannyalcatrazMod Note:
You're not going to win people over with that position. We've actually got actual USA case law- some involving my own law school- that explicitly states that considering race to rectify past racism is not itself racism. Considering the harmed does not harm others; giving someone a hand up to your level after they been denied that progress doesn't push you down.
So you've played this card, but it isn't a winning one. You gambled and lost; all of your poker chips are gone. And so you must leave this particular table.
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This thread has it all, purity spirals, "actually my son is biracial!", a professional grievance counsellor chiming in, wow.
Warning: reading 30 pages by gaslight may strain your eyes.
TLDR: EN World has joined the ranks of every other hobby forum, hollowed out by activist beetles, leaving only a husk of its former self.
Hi RPGsite.
I'm halfling rogue from EN World.
About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:
You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.Anyway, you guys nailed it with this thread and I was tickled to see it being talked about here with sanity and reason, so I joined up!
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PMHi RPGsite.
I'm halfling rogue from EN World.
About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:
You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.
Anyway, you guys nailed it with this thread and I was tickled to see it being talked about here with sanity and reason, so I joined up!
Quote from: S'mon on February 09, 2023, 01:30:32 PM
Quote from: ClusterFluster on February 09, 2023, 12:53:29 PM
What they've combined with their choice elements of Marxism arises from the "progressive" intellectual movement (circa 19th & 20th centuries), notable for their American origins from the Ivy League crowd. Critical theory is the basis of CRT, for example, coming from Yale or Harvard (wherever). The USSR would have great interest in funding these academic currents of course, but given what has transpired today, at some point the USSR would've guessed that there was no more need to fund this beyond a self-perpetuating point; then, they wouldn't be at fault for declaring that this was "it's own thing that they do not want involvement or association with, as it's not the direction that we want to go." Group liberals in schools, get liberal thoughts out.
This is a bit OT but AFAICT critical theory (and postmodernism, which isn't Marxist in origin, but worse - French!) was always funded by the OSS>CIA as an *anti* Soviet/anti-Stalinist form of Marxism, not by the USSR. It was intended to be something more attractive to the bourgeois elites than Socialism's focus on the working class. The Frankfurt School worked for the OSS/CIA in the 1940s. The CIA actively funded Postmodern art & artists. It was seen as a corporate-friendly form of Marxism, a way to defang the threat. One reason Woke went into hyperdrive from 2012 was as a reaction to Occupy Wall Street, which was seen as genuinely anti-capitalist. You'll note that the Wokest news media tend to be the most CIA-friendly.
From my academic tracing of threads from Media Studies, Art Studies, and other Humanities it converged onto similar points. That 'as far as I can tell' is shared by me as well. Which with MKULTRA, COINTELPRO, Operation: GLADIO, et alia makes for some diverse gaming fodder for mid-20th Cen espionage and unexpected locations for G-Men (Delta Green Mythos Pop Art The Factory with Andy Warhol? Done and done. Hell, it was parodied in Men in Black 3! ;D).
And welcome halfling rogue! :) We are teased as the Star Wars Mos Eisley Cantina of RPG fora, but at least WYSIWYG, right? ;)
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PM
Hi RPGsite.
I'm halfling rogue from EN World.
About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:
You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.
Anyway, you guys nailed it with this thread and I was tickled to see it being talked about here with sanity and reason, so I joined up!
Welcome to the site! We're just a bunch of regular schlubs, you'll fit in fine. But whatever you do, don't touch the
EN World may not be able to match TBP in the "heavy-handed bans" department (yet), but they already exceed TBP in the stinking sanctimonious sermons of their moderators. Ugh.
Quote from: rytrasmi on February 09, 2023, 03:07:47 PMWelcome to the site! We're just a bunch of regular schlubs, you'll fit in fine. But whatever you do, don't touch the
I don't even know why you bother warning them.
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Quote from: S'mon on February 09, 2023, 01:30:32 PM
This is a bit OT but AFAICT critical theory (and postmodernism, which isn't Marxist in origin, but worse - French!) was always funded by the OSS>CIA as an *anti* Soviet/anti-Stalinist form of Marxism, not by the USSR. It was intended to be something more attractive to the bourgeois elites than Socialism's focus on the working class. The Frankfurt School worked for the OSS/CIA in the 1940s. The CIA actively funded Postmodern art & artists. It was seen as a corporate-friendly form of Marxism, a way to defang the threat. One reason Woke went into hyperdrive from 2012 was as a reaction to Occupy Wall Street, which was seen as genuinely anti-capitalist. You'll note that the Wokest news media tend to be the most CIA-friendly.
Quote from: Opaopajr on February 09, 2023, 03:02:51 PM
From my academic tracing of threads from Media Studies, Art Studies, and other Humanities it converged onto similar points. That 'as far as I can tell' is shared by me as well. Which with MKULTRA, COINTELPRO, Operation: GLADIO, et alia makes for some diverse gaming fodder for mid-20th Cen espionage and unexpected locations for G-Men (Delta Green Mythos Pop Art The Factory with Andy Warhol? Done and done. Hell, it was parodied in Men in Black 3! ;D).
I sit corrected
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PM
Hi RPGsite.
I'm halfling rogue from EN World.
About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:
You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.
Anyway, you guys nailed it with this thread and I was tickled to see it being talked about here with sanity and reason, so I joined up!
Howdy there, fellow newb!
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PM
Hi RPGsite.
I'm halfling rogue from EN World.
About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:
You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.
Anyway, you guys nailed it with this thread and I was tickled to see it being talked about here with sanity and reason, so I joined up!
Hello and welcome! You may see some familiar names here, though some, like SHARK and myself, have been gone from ENWorld for quite a while
Welcome, Halfling Rogue, and congrats on making it out without bending the knee. It must have been bizarre to get a sermon about punching down from a moderator who declared everything you'd said wrong without evidence, then banned you from the thread so you couldn't reply. Now that was an example of punching down.
I used to be active on ENWorld. I made a lot of high-quality posts about DMing philosophy and adventure design. But the woke BS got to me a few years ago and I stopped going. Actually, it wasn't just the woke BS. It was the fact that the woke BS was protected "non-political" speech, but any dissenting opinion was deemed "political" and therefore forbidden. Only one side was allowed to express an opinion, and that opinion had to be shared by the moderation staff.
ENWorld has always been one or two steps behind RPG.net. It will continue to become what RPG.net is now, because
"Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing."
And, to add to that well-known maxim, every left-wing organization (or forum, in this case) becomes more left-wing until it implodes.
It was absolutely ridiculous. I liked Halfling Rogue's post when he posted it, and was very much angered by his treatement.
I got banned there like 10 years ago.
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PM
Hi RPGsite.
I'm halfling rogue from EN World.
About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:
You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.
Anyway, you guys nailed it with this thread and I was tickled to see it being talked about here with sanity and reason, so I joined up!
Welcome! I loved your response on that thread. Blunt and to the point.
Quote from: Horace on February 09, 2023, 05:10:41 PM
I used to be active on ENWorld. I made a lot of high-quality posts about DMing philosophy and adventure design. But the woke BS got to me a few years ago and I stopped going. Actually, it wasn't just the woke BS. It was the fact that the woke BS was protected "non-political" speech, but any dissenting opinion was deemed "political" and therefore forbidden. Only one side was allowed to express an opinion, and that opinion had to be shared by the moderation staff.
ENWorld has always been one or two steps behind RPG.net. It will continue to become what RPG.net is now, because
"Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing."
And, to add to that well-known maxim, every left-wing organization (or forum, in this case) becomes more left-wing until it implodes.
Greetings!
Horace! From EN-World! How are you doing, friend? I remember you! Good to see you! If I'm mistaken--I apologize. I haven't ben to EN-World in years!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 09, 2023, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PM
Hi RPGsite.
I'm halfling rogue from EN World.
About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:
You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.
Anyway, you guys nailed it with this thread and I was tickled to see it being talked about here with sanity and reason, so I joined up!
Welcome! I loved your response on that thread. Blunt and to the point.
One of the things I've found to help keep things sane in the midst of insanity is to just channel Norm MacDonald.
He was a true jester.
Quote from: Mistwell on February 08, 2023, 11:58:44 PM
It's a threadban. Yes, annoying, but no nothing like the level of The Big Purple.
I did think that "explanation" offered by the mods was not am appropriate moderator kind of response to that topic. He wants to post that as just a user, cool. But that wasn't a fine example of being a moderator.
You're forgetting that Umbran is a cunt from way back in the early days of ENW. The wokism just allows him more opportunity to do so.
EN World is just RPGnet lite. They're just not as overt in their hatred for straight white guys.
Quote from: Chainsaw on February 09, 2023, 07:23:23 PM
I got banned there like 10 years ago.
I have an account there, but stopped visiting pretty quickly after observing the tolerated and/or encouraged behavior. This one makes me want to throw up a post just to get banned.
I'm going in, que "Hall of the Mountain King" on the record player.
... What the hell is this?
Quote from: The Spaniard on February 11, 2023, 10:43:51 AM
I have an account there, but stopped visiting pretty quickly after observing the tolerated and/or encouraged behavior. This one makes me want to throw up a post just to get banned.
As did I, except that a certain day I couldn't resolve their domain name; no matter what I did the URL wouldn't even resolve
unless I connected via RDP to a server in the UK and tried to access from there. This went on for years, until I eventually forgot all about them. Even today I can't explain what the hell happened.
Quote from: Horace on February 09, 2023, 05:10:41 PM
I used to be active on ENWorld. I made a lot of high-quality posts about DMing philosophy and adventure design. But the woke BS got to me a few years ago and I stopped going. Actually, it wasn't just the woke BS. It was the fact that the woke BS was protected "non-political" speech, but any dissenting opinion was deemed "political" and therefore forbidden. Only one side was allowed to express an opinion, and that opinion had to be shared by the moderation staff.
This is the reason that I hate fascist BoardGameGeek.
Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 11, 2023, 07:21:34 PM
Quote from: Horace on February 09, 2023, 05:10:41 PM
I used to be active on ENWorld. I made a lot of high-quality posts about DMing philosophy and adventure design. But the woke BS got to me a few years ago and I stopped going. Actually, it wasn't just the woke BS. It was the fact that the woke BS was protected "non-political" speech, but any dissenting opinion was deemed "political" and therefore forbidden. Only one side was allowed to express an opinion, and that opinion had to be shared by the moderation staff.
This is the reason that I hate fascist BoardGameGeek.
Yeah, with BGG they'll remove any remotely conservative post as "disruptive" but allow any amount of leftist bullshit. I have an account there but never bother to post.
Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies on February 09, 2023, 09:39:29 AM
For more general RPG news, RPG Pub is pretty decent and the discussions are interesting.
And the forums for older editions/legacy seem to be all right (Knights & Knaves Alehouse, ODD74, Dragonsfoot, etc.)
Ports of Call:
Here, the Pub, the other ones listed, and if I want to stare into the Abyss: /tg. :)
RPG Pub is a bit too head in the sand for my liking. And they are always one step away from tipping over into being just another woke bastion because half the members insist the house is not on fire and a maniac is not stabbing them in the face.
I miss Boz and the Monster Manual subforum the most :(
For another example of the kind of people and ideas which dominate discussion on EN World, see the current Harry Potter thread. (https://www.enworld.org/threads/where-do-we-stand-on-harry-potter.695396/)
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 14, 2023, 03:10:07 PM
For another example of the kind of people and ideas which dominate discussion on EN World, see the current Harry Potter thread. (https://www.enworld.org/threads/where-do-we-stand-on-harry-potter.695396/)
Microagressions? Fucking pussies.
Quote from: THE_Leopold on February 14, 2023, 03:16:11 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 14, 2023, 03:10:07 PM
For another example of the kind of people and ideas which dominate discussion on EN World, see the current Harry Potter thread. (https://www.enworld.org/threads/where-do-we-stand-on-harry-potter.695396/)
Microagressions? Fucking pussies.
I find JK Rowling's attitude quite appropriate... I can practically hear the snowflakes at EN World melting down.
(https://www.enworld.org/attachments/screenshot_20230214-065336-png.275534/)
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 14, 2023, 03:10:07 PM
For another example of the kind of people and ideas which dominate discussion on EN World, see the current Harry Potter thread. (https://www.enworld.org/threads/where-do-we-stand-on-harry-potter.695396/)
I had to stop reading once I saw Umbran's first post (the 2nd post!), specifically
As for the game, my Jewish friends continue to speak against its anti-Semitic elements. God he's appalling. During the WoTC OGL imbroglio I'd been told by him & his apparently Jewish friend that it was anti-Semitic to post a
Downfall meme (
any Downfall meme) so I know this is bullshit.
Quote from: S'mon on February 14, 2023, 03:38:27 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 14, 2023, 03:10:07 PM
For another example of the kind of people and ideas which dominate discussion on EN World, see the current Harry Potter thread. (https://www.enworld.org/threads/where-do-we-stand-on-harry-potter.695396/)
I had to stop reading once I saw Umbran's first post (the 2nd post!), specifically As for the game, my Jewish friends continue to speak against its anti-Semitic elements. God he's appalling. During the WoTC OGL imbroglio I'd been told by him & his apparently Jewish friend that it was anti-Semitic to post a Downfall meme (any Downfall meme) so I know this is bullshit.
(Banging table and ranting in German) "You can't just call everything anti-Semitic, it renders the term powerless! That's how you end up with me!"
(Shakily removes glasses and pinches bridge of nose)
Quote from: Chris24601 on February 14, 2023, 03:33:23 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on February 14, 2023, 03:16:11 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 14, 2023, 03:10:07 PM
For another example of the kind of people and ideas which dominate discussion on EN World, see the current Harry Potter thread. (https://www.enworld.org/threads/where-do-we-stand-on-harry-potter.695396/)
Microagressions? Fucking pussies.
I find JK Rowling's attitude quite appropriate... I can practically hear the snowflakes at EN World melting down.
(https://www.enworld.org/attachments/screenshot_20230214-065336-png.275534/)
Good for her. The best way to deal with these assholes is to not take them seriously.
Quote from: S'mon on February 14, 2023, 03:38:27 PM
I had to stop reading once I saw Umbran's first post (the 2nd post!), specifically As for the game, my Jewish friends continue to speak against its anti-Semitic elements. God he's appalling.
But some of his best friends are Jews!
If you have to go to a forum to ask others what their "official opinion" is in order for you to have an opinion is so bizarre. It's NPC's checking into the mothership for "official authorized programming".
And to do it so nakedly, in public without any self-awareness... is both funny and sad. Their parents must be true morons.
*tits out for Harambe*
Quote from: tenbones on February 15, 2023, 10:34:30 AM
If you have to go to a forum to ask others what their "official opinion" is in order for you to have an opinion is so bizarre. It's NPC's checking into the mothership for "official authorized programming".
And to do it so nakedly, in public without any self-awareness... is both funny and sad. Their parents must be true morons.
They think they are jouranlists as that's something a reporter would ask. They need their marching orders so they can spew the next form of hatred out to other like minded morons.
You know who else did that? Nazi's.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 14, 2023, 03:10:07 PM
For another example of the kind of people and ideas which dominate discussion on EN World, see the current Harry Potter thread. (https://www.enworld.org/threads/where-do-we-stand-on-harry-potter.695396/)
Doggone. Just got banned from that particular thread too...
I appealed my ban, because they said I made it personal when the tranny and its allies already made it personal before my own comment.
The admin told me to take it as a learning opportunity.
I told him to get bent.
I think he'd like to get bent.
Quote from: tenbones on February 16, 2023, 05:23:37 PM
I think he'd like to get bent.
If it's Umbran, chances are that's a Bingo.
Quote from: tenbones on February 16, 2023, 05:28:17 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on February 16, 2023, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: tenbones on February 16, 2023, 05:23:37 PM
I think he'd like to get bent.
If it's Umbran, chances are that's a Bingo.
I think 'Bingo' is his safeword.
His safeword is:
Mod Note:
Statements that desire for a diverse corporate makeup is somehow racist are a problem. Please don't suggest that.
To answer your question (in a way that I know does not brook further discussion) is that, like it or not, modern concepts of racism are dependent on socio-economic power disparity. Racism generally requires, "punching down," so to speak. Discrimination, racism, and bigotry then are not equivalent.
That, from a place of privilege, a move towards equity feels like someone is punching down at you doesn't make it so.
Sure by the time he's said it, he's already been turned inside-out, but he's not complaining.
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 17, 2023, 12:11:53 AM
Quote from: tenbones on February 16, 2023, 05:28:17 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on February 16, 2023, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: tenbones on February 16, 2023, 05:23:37 PM
I think he'd like to get bent.
If it's Umbran, chances are that's a Bingo.
I think 'Bingo' is his safeword.
His safeword is:
Mod Note:
Statements that desire for a diverse corporate makeup is somehow racist are a problem. Please don't suggest that.
To answer your question (in a way that I know does not brook further discussion) is that, like it or not, modern concepts of racism are dependent on socio-economic power disparity. Racism generally requires, "punching down," so to speak. Discrimination, racism, and bigotry then are not equivalent.
That, from a place of privilege, a move towards equity feels like someone is punching down at you doesn't make it so.
Sure by the time he's said it, he's already been turned inside-out, but he's not complaining.
He is really vying for that TPB top mod spot i see. He will
Fit right in with that crew of mental gymnasts
It was Umbran. The funny thing is that Morrus chimed in later after I was already kicked, telling me I was "sealioning" and to leave the thread.
I just said it's okay to like J.K. Rowling, and then defended the position. I didn't even claim that I specifically liked her, just said it's okay if someone does. Apparently that makes me an aider and abettor of "stochastic terrorism".
I only really ever used EN World to catch up on any rpg news and only commented here and there. There is a lot of hatred and anger and superiority complexing and nuclear virtue signaling going on over there.
How insane is it in a thread about Harry Potter saying it's okay to like JKR gets you the boot for terrorism?
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 17, 2023, 12:11:53 AM
Quote from: tenbones on February 16, 2023, 05:28:17 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on February 16, 2023, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: tenbones on February 16, 2023, 05:23:37 PM
I think he'd like to get bent.
If it's Umbran, chances are that's a Bingo.
I think 'Bingo' is his safeword.
His safeword is:
Mod Note:
Statements that desire for a diverse corporate makeup is somehow racist are a problem. Please don't suggest that.
To answer your question (in a way that I know does not brook further discussion) is that, like it or not, modern concepts of racism are dependent on socio-economic power disparity. Racism generally requires, "punching down," so to speak. Discrimination, racism, and bigotry then are not equivalent.
That, from a place of privilege, a move towards equity feels like someone is punching down at you doesn't make it so.
Sure by the time he's said it, he's already been turned inside-out, but he's not complaining.
Which is a load of manure... Oprah can punch down at working class whites all day long and not be called racist by the lefty mods because it's not about socio-economics at all, it's about refusing to embrace their insane groupthink.
Kyle Brink can call for removing white men from gaming knowing he's safe because he expresses the proper groupthink opinions. A black woman who opposes the groupthink gets labeled "not authentically black" and "has internalized mysogeny" and is shown the door by the same people.
So, technically they're NOT racists (because race only matters if one also has the right beliefs)... they're zealots.
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 17, 2023, 12:11:53 AM
Quote from: tenbones on February 16, 2023, 05:28:17 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on February 16, 2023, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: tenbones on February 16, 2023, 05:23:37 PM
I think he'd like to get bent.
If it's Umbran, chances are that's a Bingo.
I think 'Bingo' is his safeword.
His safeword is:
Mod Note:
Statements that desire for a diverse corporate makeup is somehow racist are a problem. Please don't suggest that.
To answer your question (in a way that I know does not brook further discussion) is that, like it or not, modern concepts of racism are dependent on socio-economic power disparity. Racism generally requires, "punching down," so to speak. Discrimination, racism, and bigotry then are not equivalent.
That, from a place of privilege, a move towards equity feels like someone is punching down at you doesn't make it so.
Sure by the time he's said it, he's already been turned inside-out, but he's not complaining.
LOLOLOL
I stopped posting there a loooong time ago. The fact that twats like this are mods there, is the natural extension of why I left. Any mods there that had half a brain and were even partially innocent in their attempts at trying to do appease these assholes that proliferate there have been run off long ago.
The same thing will happen at the Pub when their current batch of mods get sick and tired of babysitting the Kool-Aid drinkers there, or will become like them. Modding is a thankless gig (can confirm) and at some point you have to realize is this real priority of your time and energy? For some - it absolutely is if the forum has other benefits.
For mods that believe the gig is their tiny Shitheap Empire where they can finally feel they have power... well those are the ones you should be wary of. ENWorld will *never* catch TBP in this regard, but of course the problem people don't care, as they're content flagellating their congregations just fine.
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 17, 2023, 08:54:27 AM
How insane is it in a thread about Harry Potter saying it's okay to like JKR gets you the boot for terrorism?
Stanning for Joanne is haram, Comrade
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PM
About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:
You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.
...emoji abuse.
Are there any adults left in this industry at all?
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on February 17, 2023, 05:44:51 PM
Quote from: halfling rogue on February 09, 2023, 02:39:27 PM
About a day or two after they disallowed me from posting on that particular thread, and without any other warning they banned me for a week from the entire site:
You have been banned for the following reason: Emoji abuse for challenging moderation &anti-inclusion. Your ban will be lifted on Feb 15, 2023 at 12:00 AM.
...emoji abuse.
Are there any adults left in this industry at all?
Greetings!
*Laughing* Yeah, Anon Adderlan, I agree. It's so terrible, but also stupid funny. I don't tolerate these kinds of jackasses well at all, so I stopped going there many years ago. The totalitarianism, the censorship, the arrogance, hypocrisy, and mind-boggling stupidity of the people involved.
No thank you.
I have better things to do with my time, and better places to hang out online where I am not treated like I am a child.
Halfling Rogue leads to leave EN-World entirely, and come here.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: tenbones on February 17, 2023, 10:16:17 AM
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 17, 2023, 12:11:53 AM
Quote from: tenbones on February 16, 2023, 05:28:17 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on February 16, 2023, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: tenbones on February 16, 2023, 05:23:37 PM
I think he'd like to get bent.
If it's Umbran, chances are that's a Bingo.
I think 'Bingo' is his safeword.
His safeword is:
Mod Note:
Statements that desire for a diverse corporate makeup is somehow racist are a problem. Please don't suggest that.
To answer your question (in a way that I know does not brook further discussion) is that, like it or not, modern concepts of racism are dependent on socio-economic power disparity. Racism generally requires, "punching down," so to speak. Discrimination, racism, and bigotry then are not equivalent.
That, from a place of privilege, a move towards equity feels like someone is punching down at you doesn't make it so.
Sure by the time he's said it, he's already been turned inside-out, but he's not complaining.
LOLOLOL
I stopped posting there a loooong time ago. The fact that twats like this are mods there, is the natural extension of why I left. Any mods there that had half a brain and were even partially innocent in their attempts at trying to do appease these assholes that proliferate there have been run off long ago.
The same thing will happen at the Pub when their current batch of mods get sick and tired of babysitting the Kool-Aid drinkers there, or will become like them. Modding is a thankless gig (can confirm) and at some point you have to realize is this real priority of your time and energy? For some - it absolutely is if the forum has other benefits.
For mods that believe the gig is their tiny Shitheap Empire where they can finally feel they have power... well those are the ones you should be wary of. ENWorld will *never* catch TBP in this regard, but of course the problem people don't care, as they're content flagellating their congregations just fine.
Greetings!
*BOOM!* Damn right, Tenbones! So true. I can't stand these kinds of morons. I have no patience for them whatsoever.
I remember you posting at EN-Word. EN-World used to be a really neat place, back in oh, 2008 I think, and before. I was there mostly from 2000 to 2006 or maybe a bit up to 2008.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Shortly before finding this place i tried enworld, made maybe 5 posts and deleted my account. Someone had released an africa based game and was plugging it, i had said i would be hesitant even if i liked it because i wouldn't want beset by people claiming appropriation or whatever because i know jack and shit about african cultures other than i dont want any you can keep it. Mistake.
I was instantly beset by not just the one fucker I was talking to but a small cheerleader mob with effeminate whiney tones and arguments based on on group perception and social shaming...which, as you know, just makes my hillbilly pecker hard, I mean, we didnt fight the yankees over slaves, we didnt have any, we did it because yankees have shit attitude and came close enough to kill w/o having to saddle your horse...in just a few back and forths when it became clear this guy cannot be shamed, then you get warnings for that morris dweeb about what kind bad person you are. I said hell naw deleted that shit and am never going back. enjoy it fuckers, hope your cunt grows over with hep warts and you have to piss out your freakin armpit. sidewalk sissy bitches.
Quote from: SHARK on February 17, 2023, 06:26:56 PM
Quote from: tenbones on February 17, 2023, 10:16:17 AM
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 17, 2023, 12:11:53 AM
Quote from: tenbones on February 16, 2023, 05:28:17 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on February 16, 2023, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: tenbones on February 16, 2023, 05:23:37 PM
I think he'd like to get bent.
If it's Umbran, chances are that's a Bingo.
I think 'Bingo' is his safeword.
His safeword is:
Mod Note:
Statements that desire for a diverse corporate makeup is somehow racist are a problem. Please don't suggest that.
To answer your question (in a way that I know does not brook further discussion) is that, like it or not, modern concepts of racism are dependent on socio-economic power disparity. Racism generally requires, "punching down," so to speak. Discrimination, racism, and bigotry then are not equivalent.
That, from a place of privilege, a move towards equity feels like someone is punching down at you doesn't make it so.
Sure by the time he's said it, he's already been turned inside-out, but he's not complaining.
LOLOLOL
I stopped posting there a loooong time ago. The fact that twats like this are mods there, is the natural extension of why I left. Any mods there that had half a brain and were even partially innocent in their attempts at trying to do appease these assholes that proliferate there have been run off long ago.
The same thing will happen at the Pub when their current batch of mods get sick and tired of babysitting the Kool-Aid drinkers there, or will become like them. Modding is a thankless gig (can confirm) and at some point you have to realize is this real priority of your time and energy? For some - it absolutely is if the forum has other benefits.
For mods that believe the gig is their tiny Shitheap Empire where they can finally feel they have power... well those are the ones you should be wary of. ENWorld will *never* catch TBP in this regard, but of course the problem people don't care, as they're content flagellating their congregations just fine.
Greetings!
*BOOM!* Damn right, Tenbones! So true. I can't stand these kinds of morons. I have no patience for them whatsoever.
I remember you posting at EN-Word. EN-World used to be a really neat place, back in oh, 2008 I think, and before. I was there mostly from 2000 to 2006 or maybe a bit up to 2008.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I still remember those days - new content was being produced by D&D fans and posted there almost every day - classes, feats, utilities, prior edition adventure conversions, etc.
Discussions were often interesting, sometimes thought-provoking, usually inspiring me to go off and create a new adventure or expand upon existing campaign stuff. Umbran was always a cunt of a moderator, but it wasn't until Morrus bought the thing that it started to turn to shit. The thread about how raycisum because green orcs = black and brown people is when I finally punched out.
Quote from: S'mon on February 09, 2023, 01:30:32 PMOne reason Woke went into hyperdrive from 2012 was as a reaction to Occupy Wall Street, which was seen as genuinely anti-capitalist. You'll note that the Wokest news media tend to be the most CIA-friendly.
Exactly. I've started telling people, esp young people that all this Woke, Gender & Race stuff started getting really big because it's a distraction from actual issues like wealth inequality... Which yes, did start getting some big traction 2009-12 and POOF - DISTRACTION! Let's talk about something other than how the elites screw everyone over.
And welcome @Halfling Rogue. Sorry to hear EN world went to shit, heard about it for a few years now.
Quote from: Iron_Rain on February 19, 2023, 12:14:58 PM
Quote from: S'mon on February 09, 2023, 01:30:32 PMOne reason Woke went into hyperdrive from 2012 was as a reaction to Occupy Wall Street, which was seen as genuinely anti-capitalist. You'll note that the Wokest news media tend to be the most CIA-friendly.
Exactly. I've started telling people, esp young people that all this Woke, Gender & Race stuff started getting really big because it's a distraction from actual issues like wealth inequality... Which yes, did start getting some big traction 2009-12 and POOF - DISTRACTION! Let's talk about something other than how the elites screw everyone over.
And welcome @Halfling Rogue. Sorry to hear EN world went to shit, heard about it for a few years now.
Case in point where the distraction failed is Hasbro's attempt at shutting down the small third parties and hook their consumers up as unending pay pigs for their Gatcha game. Screw the little guy publishers and the make the consumer pay more for less.
They TRIED selling the woke creed of "this is to protect against hate" but the money grab was just too blatant for the cover to work.
On the other hand, as soon as that naked money grab was resolved (for now) it's right back to dividing people over "the sooner white men leave the hobby the better" and the woke seals return to clapping for them.
Occupy at first didn't seem so much anti-capitalist or against wealth inequality as much as just average joes getting fed up at cronyism. It's the (what we now call) wokies that tried to turn it into their socialist, identity politics shitshow that drove off the average joes.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 19, 2023, 04:50:37 PM
Occupy at first didn't seem so much anti-capitalist or against wealth inequality as much as just average joes getting fed up at cronyism. It's the (what we now call) wokies that tried to turn it into their socialist, identity politics shitshow that drove off the average joes.
True.
I knew a couple guys that went to OccupyWS, real heavy AnCap fukkers, and they came back saying how almost nobody there knew what tf they were talking about. It was just a lot people angry because some bankers make money (not even that they MAKE money, but that they don't share it). The low-information, irrational death-spiral of stupidity has only gotten worse over the years. It's how we got to the point where people are getting banned for discussing topics in a nuanced way. "Obey the groupthink or be Othered." </insert Donald Sutherland pointing and screeching>
Also, belated welcome to Halfling Rogue. I couldn't bring myself to visit the thread, but the OP was more than enough to get the gist.
Someone on ENWorld started a change.org petition for Hasbro (https://www.change.org/p/amend-hasbro-s-d-d-gazetteer-no-black-orcs-asian-yellow-orcs-native-american-red-orcs)
Quote from: DocJones on February 22, 2023, 04:40:03 PM
Someone on ENWorld started a change.org petition for Hasbro (https://www.change.org/p/amend-hasbro-s-d-d-gazetteer-no-black-orcs-asian-yellow-orcs-native-american-red-orcs)
I did +1 and Like with heart emoji. I'm doing my part!!11!
Quote from: THE_Leopold on February 22, 2023, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: DocJones on February 22, 2023, 04:40:03 PM
Someone on ENWorld started a change.org petition for Hasbro (https://www.change.org/p/amend-hasbro-s-d-d-gazetteer-no-black-orcs-asian-yellow-orcs-native-american-red-orcs)
I did +1 and Like with heart emoji. I'm doing my part!!11!
I did my part by buying a copy.
I thought the prevailing woke opinion was that orcs were based on black people.
It looks to me like TSR's Mystara Gazetteer #10 totally upends that.
Orcs are quite diverse in Mystara as there are red, yellow, copper, chalk tan, white/grey orcs, goblins, hobgoblins.
The Thar Orcs are like Roman legions but they wear black uniforms and think they are the master race.
I did notsee that coming from TSR.
The hobgoblin Queen Yazar is depicted on the the petition as something shameful.
And yet I believe it to be evocative of the stunning and brave Lizzo.
The designers were way ahead of their time.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 19, 2023, 04:50:37 PM
Occupy at first didn't seem so much anti-capitalist or against wealth inequality as much as just average joes getting fed up at cronyism. It's the (what we now call) wokies that tried to turn it into their socialist, identity politics shitshow that drove off the average joes.
I think you have occupy mixed up with the tea party, which began by a rant by Rick Santenelli over cronyism in 2009. Occupy Wall Street was all about "Eat the rich" and "those rich Jews" (their bigoted words, not mine) from the start.
Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 22, 2023, 08:57:31 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 19, 2023, 04:50:37 PM
Occupy at first didn't seem so much anti-capitalist or against wealth inequality as much as just average joes getting fed up at cronyism. It's the (what we now call) wokies that tried to turn it into their socialist, identity politics shitshow that drove off the average joes.
I think you have occupy mixed up with the tea party, which began by a rant by Rick Santenelli over cronyism in 2009. Occupy Wall Street was all about "Eat the rich" and "those rich Jews" (their bigoted words, not mine) from the start.
Indeed, maybe they only came onto my radar late, but they have always seemed to be the American Millennials trying to teach themselves Trotskyism; or maybe it's my (extensive) experience with the Latin American Trotskyists who coloured my view of the OWS movement. In any case, I don't think it could evolve in any direction but Socialism.
Well...
I just got banned from EN World. You wanna know the outrageous things I said?
After stating that it was okay to like J.K. Rowling I got a spanking and a talking to. I was, according to the mods, someone who they've been discussing regarding my anti-inclusionary statements. He then tried to learn me about what inclusive meant in pedantic marxist fashion. I knew I wasn't long for the (EN) world after that.
So yesterday, in a thread called "What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content" some folks were discussing the portrayal of ancient Egyptian culture in games, and some were bemoaning some TSR pictures.
I stated it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white.
That's it.
Now I'm banned for life. 8)
You can tell you're over the target when positive, rational, statements brings out the rage. EN World is run by people whose love for trannies trumps the outspoken and unaddressed hatred of a woman and they hate white people.
Which is funny, because Rameses II was a ginger, and Egypt has whole graveyards dedicated to redheads.
Salient point from an article in Nature on this topic:
Both types of genomic material showed that ancient Egyptians shared little DNA with modern sub-Saharan Africans. Instead, their closest relatives were people living during the Neolithic and Bronze ages in an area known as the Levant. Strikingly, the mummies were more closely related to ancient Europeans and Anatolians than to modern Egyptians.
The entire article may be found here: https://www.nature.com/articles/546017a
Quote from: halfling rogue on March 03, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
Well...
I just got banned from EN World. You wanna know the outrageous things I said?
After stating that it was okay to like J.K. Rowling I got a spanking and a talking to. I was, according to the mods, someone who they've been discussing regarding my anti-inclusionary statements. He then tried to learn me about what inclusive meant in pedantic marxist fashion. I knew I wasn't long for the (EN) world after that.
So yesterday, in a thread called "What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content" some folks were discussing the portrayal of ancient Egyptian culture in games, and some were bemoaning some TSR pictures.
I stated it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white.
That's it.
Now I'm banned for life. 8)
You can tell you're over the target when positive, rational, statements brings out the rage. EN World is run by people whose love for trannies trumps the outspoken and unaddressed hatred of a woman and they hate white people.
Eh, don't lose sleep over it. And welcome.
Quote from: I on March 03, 2023, 10:22:28 AM
Salient point from an article in Nature on this topic:
Both types of genomic material showed that ancient Egyptians shared little DNA with modern sub-Saharan Africans. Instead, their closest relatives were people living during the Neolithic and Bronze ages in an area known as the Levant. Strikingly, the mummies were more closely related to ancient Europeans and Anatolians than to modern Egyptians.
The entire article may be found here: https://www.nature.com/articles/546017a
That is freakin' fascinating. Thanks for the link Hawk the Slayer....I mean I
Quote from: I on March 03, 2023, 10:22:28 AM
Salient point from an article in Nature on this topic:
Both types of genomic material showed that ancient Egyptians shared little DNA with modern sub-Saharan Africans. Instead, their closest relatives were people living during the Neolithic and Bronze ages in an area known as the Levant. Strikingly, the mummies were more closely related to ancient Europeans and Anatolians than to modern Egyptians.
The entire article may be found here: https://www.nature.com/articles/546017a
Yeah. I posted - https://www.enworld.org/threads/what-we-lose-when-we-eliminate-controversial-content.696143/post-8954608 - no idea if this is ok to say or if ENW requires some kind of Afrocentric propaganda version of Egyptian history & demographics.
I remember getting schooled by a renegade ex-Nation of Islam Youtuber a couple years back when I said something about ancient Kushites being black; turns out from the gene anaysis, they were more like Berbers. She knew this & I didn't. She'd gone from 'We Wuz Kangz' to being really against any claims of black African civilisations; I was not able to disprove her.
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on March 03, 2023, 10:27:27 AM
Quote from: halfling rogue on March 03, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
Well...
I just got banned from EN World. You wanna know the outrageous things I said?
After stating that it was okay to like J.K. Rowling I got a spanking and a talking to. I was, according to the mods, someone who they've been discussing regarding my anti-inclusionary statements. He then tried to learn me about what inclusive meant in pedantic marxist fashion. I knew I wasn't long for the (EN) world after that.
So yesterday, in a thread called "What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content" some folks were discussing the portrayal of ancient Egyptian culture in games, and some were bemoaning some TSR pictures.
I stated it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white.
That's it.
Now I'm banned for life. 8)
You can tell you're over the target when positive, rational, statements brings out the rage. EN World is run by people whose love for trannies trumps the outspoken and unaddressed hatred of a woman and they hate white people.
Eh, don't lose sleep over it. And welcome.
Oh I'm most definitely not losing sleep. I think it's hilarious.
Quote from: S'mon on March 03, 2023, 10:54:20 AM
Quote from: I on March 03, 2023, 10:22:28 AM
Salient point from an article in Nature on this topic:
Both types of genomic material showed that ancient Egyptians shared little DNA with modern sub-Saharan Africans. Instead, their closest relatives were people living during the Neolithic and Bronze ages in an area known as the Levant. Strikingly, the mummies were more closely related to ancient Europeans and Anatolians than to modern Egyptians.
The entire article may be found here: https://www.nature.com/articles/546017a
Yeah. I posted - https://www.enworld.org/threads/what-we-lose-when-we-eliminate-controversial-content.696143/post-8954608 - no idea if this is ok to say or if ENW requires some kind of Afrocentric propaganda version of Egyptian history & demographics.
I remember getting schooled by a renegade ex-Nation of Islam Youtuber a couple years back when I said something about ancient Kushites being black; turns out from the gene anaysis, they were more like Berbers. She knew this & I didn't. She'd gone from 'We Wuz Kangz' to being really against any claims of black African civilisations; I was not able to disprove her.
There has been a strong conceit in modern western culture that
anything Africa = Black.
But such postmodern notion's completely discount the actual historical record.
The Bantu migrations only began around 3000-2000 BC. And those migrations were almost wholly southwards on the continent - because the Sahara, and also Egyptians & Berbers; peoples that were in northern Africa thousands of years before the bantu migrations started, and like all peoples, they tended to defend their territories.
North Africa was very much a part of the wider Mediterranean Culture/Trade (Greek/Roman/Egyptian/Berber/Phonecian, etc.) For thousands of years until the Muslim invasions that began around 600 AD.
Not that the ancient Mediterranean's and Medieval Europeans didn't know what a "Black" Bantu African was, or looked like. Quite the opposite.
But modern revisionists have made ridiculous historical speculations about "Black" Bantu African influence in North African/European culture based on their depictions in Roman/Greek, and Medieval European art. Making unfounded claims that such depictions were due to some kind of proliferation that had since been 'whitewashed' from history, rather than largely the novelty they represented as they were depicted in various paintings/sculptures, etc.
North African cultures/civilizations were not "Black" African cultures. And they are largely still not, because even post Islamic invasion Moor =/= Black.
For the year zero revisionists at places like ENworld; These are all very triggering facts that they are largely unable to swallow.
What's hilarious is that there are actual photographs of Ramesses II's mummy. That is not a black man. I'm sorry. He was no more black than I am.
All of my fantasy worlds are Certified 100% Bantu-Free.
(https://i.imgur.com/ErFiZSX.png)
Quote from: halfling rogue on March 03, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
Well...
I just got banned from EN World. You wanna know the outrageous things I said?
After stating that it was okay to like J.K. Rowling I got a spanking and a talking to. I was, according to the mods, someone who they've been discussing regarding my anti-inclusionary statements. He then tried to learn me about what inclusive meant in pedantic marxist fashion. I knew I wasn't long for the (EN) world after that.
So yesterday, in a thread called "What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content" some folks were discussing the portrayal of ancient Egyptian culture in games, and some were bemoaning some TSR pictures.
I stated it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white.
That's it.
Now I'm banned for life. 8)
You can tell you're over the target when positive, rational, statements brings out the rage. EN World is run by people whose love for trannies trumps the outspoken and unaddressed hatred of a woman and they hate white people.
Greetings!
Again, welcome aboard, Halfling Rogue! Fuck EN World. Being banned from such a Clown World place is no loss.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Jaeger on March 03, 2023, 03:38:33 PM
Quote from: S'mon on March 03, 2023, 10:54:20 AM
Quote from: I on March 03, 2023, 10:22:28 AM
Salient point from an article in Nature on this topic:
Both types of genomic material showed that ancient Egyptians shared little DNA with modern sub-Saharan Africans. Instead, their closest relatives were people living during the Neolithic and Bronze ages in an area known as the Levant. Strikingly, the mummies were more closely related to ancient Europeans and Anatolians than to modern Egyptians.
The entire article may be found here: https://www.nature.com/articles/546017a
Yeah. I posted - https://www.enworld.org/threads/what-we-lose-when-we-eliminate-controversial-content.696143/post-8954608 - no idea if this is ok to say or if ENW requires some kind of Afrocentric propaganda version of Egyptian history & demographics.
I remember getting schooled by a renegade ex-Nation of Islam Youtuber a couple years back when I said something about ancient Kushites being black; turns out from the gene anaysis, they were more like Berbers. She knew this & I didn't. She'd gone from 'We Wuz Kangz' to being really against any claims of black African civilisations; I was not able to disprove her.
There has been a strong conceit in modern western culture that anything Africa = Black.
But such postmodern notion's completely discount the actual historical record.
The Bantu migrations only began around 3000-2000 BC. And those migrations were almost wholly southwards on the continent - because the Sahara, and also Egyptians & Berbers; peoples that were in northern Africa thousands of years before the bantu migrations started, and like all peoples, they tended to defend their territories.
North Africa was very much a part of the wider Mediterranean Culture/Trade (Greek/Roman/Egyptian/Berber/Phonecian, etc.) For thousands of years until the Muslim invasions that began around 600 AD.
Not that the ancient Mediterranean's and Medieval Europeans didn't know what a "Black" Bantu African was, or looked like. Quite the opposite.
But modern revisionists have made ridiculous historical speculations about "Black" Bantu African influence in North African/European culture based on their depictions in Roman/Greek, and Medieval European art. Making unfounded claims that such depictions were due to some kind of proliferation that had since been 'whitewashed' from history, rather than largely the novelty they represented as they were depicted in various paintings/sculptures, etc.
North African cultures/civilizations were not "Black" African cultures. And they are largely still not, because even post Islamic invasion Moor =/= Black.
For the year zero revisionists at places like ENworld; These are all very triggering facts that they are largely unable to swallow.
Greetings!
*BOOM* Jaeger! Excellent, my friend! Your history is spot the fuck on!
It still boggles me though how absolutely uneducated and retarded these Libtards always are, about most things, but history in general, and African history in particular. I've long since realized--sadly though--any discussions involving them really isn't about facts, knowledge, TRUTH--it's about their ideology, period. They really don't give a fuck about evidence, truth, or facts. It's all about their ideology and their narrative.
Most of North Africa, for thousands of years--has been WHITE or Arab, Semetic. And lots of Greek, Spanish, Roman, and Egyptian bloodlines mixed in there. Not Black African so much though.
Cleopatra was not Black African, and the Greeks did not steal technology and great discoveries from the poor fucking Black Africans. God these people make my teeth grind with their moron arguments. Who gives a fuck that Greeece and Egypt were white? Or Semetic, or otherwise NOT BLACK.
Why not instead focus on and celebrate TRUTH? How about the Black African Kingdom of Ethiopia, one of the longest and most enduring Christian kingdoms anywhere? The mighty Christian Ethiopians defended themselves and crushed the Muslims back for something like 500 years! Or how about the Black African Kingdom of Nigeria? Or Kosa, and others that developed sophisticated medieval kingdoms, schools, cities, with large, powerful armies, and vast treasuries of fine gold, ivory, thousands and thousands of gorgeous women, and also hundreds or thousands of armoured war elephants? These Black African kingdoms--also had mighty kings like Mansa Musa, the richest man in the world with caravans of thousands of camels, all loaded down with gold? The different Black African kingdoms south of the Sahara were--surprise--just like people everywhere. They had men and women being noble and faithful and glorious and wise--and also evil, wicked, treacherous, and decadent. Reading into real history, they are fascinating, and just like reading about European, Asian, or Middle Eastern kingdoms. Of special note is yeah, they differed some by embracing their native Pagan African religions, which have their own kinds of rivalries and beliefs. Then, the African kingdoms get into embracing Christianity and Islam--just like everywhere else, and just like everywhere else as well, all of these different religions creates endless drama. *Laughing*
I don't understand why they are not proud and interested in REAL Black African history, and instead are always running around like sobbing bitches crying about how everything anyone else did was really somehow stolen from the Black Kangz or some BS. It is so mind bogging, and yeah, the absolute distortion, lies, and raping of history and truth gets me grinding my teeth. As a trained Historian, I get hot about it.
Good stuff, Jaeger!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 03, 2023, 04:01:01 PM
What's hilarious is that there are actual photographs of Ramesses II's mummy. That is not a black man. I'm sorry. He was no more black than I am.
I've personally seen his mummy. He had (straight, not kinky) reddish hair and a prominent, aquiline, somewhat hooked nose. Doesn't look in the slightest like a sub-Saharan African.
Adding fuel to the fire...wasn't Cleopatra a direct descendant of Alexander?
Quote from: Brad on March 03, 2023, 07:03:22 PM
Adding fuel to the fire...wasn't Cleopatra a direct descendant of Alexander?
Greetings!
Hey Brad! No, my friend. Cleopatra was not related to Alexander the Great--but she was like the eighth-line descendent from King Ptolemy, who was a close friend, companion, and uber-powerful elite General that served throughout Alexander's conquests. As a reward, Ptolemy was given the Kingship and mastery of All Egypt. The Ptolemies generally adopted Egyptian cultural customs--and interbred amongst their own family and related family lines. I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that *some* Semetic bloodlines got mixed in their over the dynastic history, but Cleopatra was clearly a white Greek Girl.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on March 03, 2023, 07:20:01 PM
Hey Brad! No, my friend. Cleopatra was not related to Alexander the Great--but she was like the eighth-line descendent from King Ptolemy, who was a close friend, companion, and uber-powerful elite General that served throughout Alexander's conquests. As a reward, Ptolemy was given the Kingship and mastery of All Egypt. The Ptolemies generally adopted Egyptian cultural customs--and interbred amongst their own family and related family lines. I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that *some* Semetic bloodlines got mixed in their over the dynastic history, but Cleopatra was clearly a white Greek Girl.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Yeah, there you go. Don't try too hard to remember things when you've had a bit too much whiskey. I'm actually drinking out of a glass my wife had laser engraved for me: "Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whiskey is barely enough. - Mark Twain"
Quote from: grimshwiz on February 09, 2023, 01:24:12 AM
That site is trash. I got a site ban for sticking up for the new TSR when there was an outrage against them a few years back over some comments. Now the only forum I go to is this site since it is normal people sharing opinions and if they differ there is a civil discussion.
Well you deserve plenty of shit for defending NuTSR. Talk about trash companies.
Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2023, 07:52:48 PM
Well you deserve plenty of shit for defending NuTSR. Talk about trash companies.
Never thought I'd agree with you about this sort of stuff, but here we are...
I think we should all just relax and realize that no one should talk about the "EN World" in public.
Because that would racist.
Quote from: halfling rogue on March 03, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
So yesterday, in a thread called "What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content" some folks were discussing the portrayal of ancient Egyptian culture in games, and some were bemoaning some TSR pictures.
I stated it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white.
That's it.
Now I'm banned for life. 8)
You can tell you're over the target when positive, rational, statements brings out the rage. EN World is run by people whose love for trannies trumps the outspoken and unaddressed hatred of a woman and they hate white people.
That's pretty outrageous. Recent DNA research on Pharaohs (like this link for example (https://www.peopleofar.com/2017/06/05/ancient-egyptians-were-closer-to-armenians-than-to-africans-a-new-genetics-study-reveals/)) showed, contrary to assumptions, the Pharaohs have less DNA in common with modern Egyptians and Africans, and more in common with Near East and the Levant. Greek, Armenian, Israeli, that region of mostly lighter-skinned people with a slight olive tint.
You know - like me, a Jewish guy with 100% Cohanim (Levant) DNA who is classified by all American ethnicity and racial surveys as "White." If someone said it was OK to portray ME as white (and it absolutely is) then why would it not be OK to portray people who share my same kind of DNA heritage as white?
Quote from: Mistwell on March 04, 2023, 12:15:08 AM
Quote from: halfling rogue on March 03, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
So yesterday, in a thread called "What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content" some folks were discussing the portrayal of ancient Egyptian culture in games, and some were bemoaning some TSR pictures.
I stated it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white.
That's it.
Now I'm banned for life. 8)
You can tell you're over the target when positive, rational, statements brings out the rage. EN World is run by people whose love for trannies trumps the outspoken and unaddressed hatred of a woman and they hate white people.
That's pretty outrageous. Recent DNA research on Pharaohs (like this link for example (https://www.peopleofar.com/2017/06/05/ancient-egyptians-were-closer-to-armenians-than-to-africans-a-new-genetics-study-reveals/)) showed, contrary to assumptions, the Pharaohs have less DNA in common with modern Egyptians and Africans, and more in common with Near East and the Levant. Greek, Armenian, Israeli, that region of mostly lighter-skinned people with a slight olive tint.
You know - like me, a Jewish guy with 100% Cohanim (Levant) DNA who is classified by all American ethnicity and racial surveys as "White." If someone said it was OK to portray ME as white (and it absolutely is) then why would it not be OK to portray people who share my same kind of DNA heritage as white?
Considering that DNA tests go back about 10-15 generations (250-300 years), to be 100% would require some incredible levels of inbreeding and racism by your kin for hundreds of years minimum. I don't know whether to clap, or drive you off with a torch and pitchfork.
Or, you know, you've never been actually tested, and work on family fairy tales.
I got permanently banned from rpg.net for—I am not kidding—a scattered series of posts over time on various topics that 90% of people would consider "woke" comments. The problem was that I wrote a woke comment that argued with a different woke comment, and the moderator determined that I crossed a line by challenging the opinion.
For example, I got a ban for a period because in a thread condemning Frank Baum (Oz author) over his racist comments about Cheyenne and Native Americans (Baum lived out West at the time and after a few violent incidents became very vocal against them), I said, "Hey, wait a minute, if you cancel Baum and ban him and his works, you are also cancelling an author whose books are considered extremely important to the trans community (Ozma of Oz, whether you agree or not, is considered an early trans character and an important one in literature). So, yeah, I got banned for being "woke" about one issue because it challenged another "woke" cause. (I should also note that there has been a couple different threads not banned that praised Baum for this supposed trans aspect of his writing, that did not mention anything about Cheyenne.)
Then another time I got banned because in a thread about MAR Barker having Nazi/anti-Semitic connections (he did, let's not argue that one), again the mob wanted to burn the man's books, cancel his existence and legacy, etc., with a series of stupid "all racists must be destroyed" comments by people who apparently knew nothing and didn't want to know anything. My great transgression is that I came into to say, " Okay, I have no argument with him being anti-Semitic and that is awful, but can we have a discussion about how he wasn't a typical "white guy who hates Jews" because MAR Barker converted to Islam (even adopting a name), was a HUGE scholar of South Asian language and culture, and his Tekumel setting was itself the earliest and most comprehensive fantasy worlds that was not based on European tropes and actually celebrated non-White, non-Christian traditions?" Again, pointing out that while the guy may have been a bad guy in one respect, he was also an incredibly important figure for spreading Asian language and culture. The majority of people posting in this thread didn't know who Barker was and most had no idea and even wanted to deny that his academic work existed or mattered. I did not deny in any way that Barker was (almost assuredly) an anti-Semite and that was awful, but merely said, "what about the other aspects of him?" not to say he was therefore good but just to suggest that it was an interesting subject to also discuss. I also expressly raised the often-debated question of "Can you or should you separate the art from the artist?" question, that people often debate when it comes out that a great artist was a really shitty person, yet their art is important.
Each of my couple other bans was the same—the sin of raising a "woke" issue that challenged the "woke" issue du jour. I cannot imagine a clearer example of arbitrary censorship and petty authoritarianism than this. Part of my conclusion about this is that one of the biggest problems at rpg.net and now enworld is that the moderators are power-hungry SJ warriors who don't actually know very much, and so stomp around trying to beat their chest and show how great they are. The silly little speeches they give in their banning posts often makes this clear. In my Barker example, it was clear from various Moderator posts that the moderator didn't know anything about Tekumel, didn't know a thing about Barker's impressive academic career, didn't know Barker lived in South Asia for a long period, etc.—yet felt empowered to make virtue-signaling posts.
Quote from: Dispotatic254 on March 03, 2023, 10:14:19 PM
I think we should all just relax and realize that no one should talk about the "EN World" in public.
Because that would racist.
Well played.
Quote from: Mistwell on March 04, 2023, 12:15:08 AM
Quote from: halfling rogue on March 03, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
So yesterday, in a thread called "What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content" some folks were discussing the portrayal of ancient Egyptian culture in games, and some were bemoaning some TSR pictures.
I stated it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white.
That's it.
Now I'm banned for life. 8)
You can tell you're over the target when positive, rational, statements brings out the rage. EN World is run by people whose love for trannies trumps the outspoken and unaddressed hatred of a woman and they hate white people.
That's pretty outrageous. Recent DNA research on Pharaohs (like this link for example (https://www.peopleofar.com/2017/06/05/ancient-egyptians-were-closer-to-armenians-than-to-africans-a-new-genetics-study-reveals/)) showed, contrary to assumptions, the Pharaohs have less DNA in common with modern Egyptians and Africans, and more in common with Near East and the Levant. Greek, Armenian, Israeli, that region of mostly lighter-skinned people with a slight olive tint.
You know - like me, a Jewish guy with 100% Cohanim (Levant) DNA who is classified by all American ethnicity and racial surveys as "White." If someone said it was OK to portray ME as white (and it absolutely is) then why would it not be OK to portray people who share my same kind of DNA heritage as white?
Autosomal DNA or chromosome haplogroup?
Quote from: GamerforHire on March 04, 2023, 09:38:33 AM
I got permanently banned from rpg.net for—I am not kidding—a scattered series of posts over time on various topics that 90% of people would consider "woke" comments. The problem was that I wrote a woke comment that argued with a different woke comment, and the moderator determined that I crossed a line by challenging the opinion.
...
Not all Amerindians are created woqual anyway, if Chief Red Cloud had anything to say about that (and he did, with gusto!), but even setting him aside I imagine that all the tribes with a recorded liking for books, flags, wheels, beasts of burden, and moderate drinking don't tolerate being put on a false pedestal for manipulative proggoid fawning. Some were pretty keen on the ol' race mixing at that, which is how the Métis/Mestizos/Latinos crowds even got to be a thing. Whites couldn't have been that bad to raise families with back then, given who we have now.
I also can't imagine how Heidegger could have been a Nazi Party member while double-dipping his wick in the matzah bowl, but he had disavowed it all later so he can't be cancelled now I guess, and there was clearly a reason to permit mischling battalions in the Wehrmacht as the war started out. Then again, anti-Semitism is really a gross ideology, since I have nothing against the Maltese whatsoever.
Quote from: Dispotatic254 on March 04, 2023, 11:38:14 AM
Not all Amerindians are created woqual anyway, if Chief Red Cloud had anything to say about that (and he did, with gusto!), but even setting him aside I imagine that all the tribes with a recorded liking for books, flags, wheels, beasts of burden, and moderate drinking don't tolerate being put on a false pedestal for manipulative proggoid fawning. Some were pretty keen on the ol' race mixing at that, which is how the Métis/Mestizos/Latinos crowds even got to be a thing. Whites couldn't have been that bad to raise families with back then, given who we have now.
I also can't imagine how Heidegger could have been a Nazi Party member while double-dipping his wick in the matzah bowl, but he had disavowed it all later so he can't be cancelled now I guess, and there was clearly a reason to permit mischling battalions in the Wehrmacht as the war started out. Then again, anti-Semitism is really a gross ideology, since I have nothing against the Maltese whatsoever.
This post reminds me of
(https://i.imgflip.com/2eeawu.jpg) ;D
Quote from: S'mon on March 04, 2023, 12:52:00 PM
This post reminds me of
(https://i.imgflip.com/2eeawu.jpg) ;D
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rIGCHf_3Gr4/maxresdefault.jpg)
Quote from: Grognard GM on March 04, 2023, 09:02:42 AM
Quote from: Mistwell on March 04, 2023, 12:15:08 AM
Quote from: halfling rogue on March 03, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
So yesterday, in a thread called "What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content" some folks were discussing the portrayal of ancient Egyptian culture in games, and some were bemoaning some TSR pictures.
I stated it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white.
That's it.
Now I'm banned for life. 8)
You can tell you're over the target when positive, rational, statements brings out the rage. EN World is run by people whose love for trannies trumps the outspoken and unaddressed hatred of a woman and they hate white people.
That's pretty outrageous. Recent DNA research on Pharaohs (like this link for example (https://www.peopleofar.com/2017/06/05/ancient-egyptians-were-closer-to-armenians-than-to-africans-a-new-genetics-study-reveals/)) showed, contrary to assumptions, the Pharaohs have less DNA in common with modern Egyptians and Africans, and more in common with Near East and the Levant. Greek, Armenian, Israeli, that region of mostly lighter-skinned people with a slight olive tint.
You know - like me, a Jewish guy with 100% Cohanim (Levant) DNA who is classified by all American ethnicity and racial surveys as "White." If someone said it was OK to portray ME as white (and it absolutely is) then why would it not be OK to portray people who share my same kind of DNA heritage as white?
Considering that DNA tests go back about 10-15 generations (250-300 years), to be 100% would require some incredible levels of inbreeding and racism by your kin for hundreds of years minimum. I don't know whether to clap, or drive you off with a torch and pitchfork.
Or, you know, you've never been actually tested, and work on family fairy tales.
Just going by my parents tests, which each showed Cohanim (Levant) at 100%. It's not in-breeding, that's a region not the identical DNA - who else were they supposed to marry if they were in the same region for generation after generation? Not sure why you'd want to be a dick about it. I am not some DNA expert just telling you what their results said, I think from 23 and me? I saw the results but I have no idea if 23 and me is accurate or not to that degree.
Quote from: Mistwell on March 04, 2023, 10:54:26 PM
Just going by my parents tests, which each showed Cohanim (Levant) at 100%. It's not in-breeding, that's a region not the identical DNA - who else were they supposed to marry if they were in the same region for generation after generation? Not sure why you'd want to be a dick about it. I am not some DNA expert just telling you what their results said, I think from 23 and me? I saw the results but I have no idea if 23 and me is accurate or not to that degree.
Were your grandparents (or great-grandparents) farmers? Because that is the kind of occupation that will generally tie the people to the land for generations. Of course, the Middle East is something of a crossroads, and there is no way to completely rule out some genetic influx of a French Crusader, a Seleucid mercenary or even an Ethiopian slave over the millennia. That being said, as the generations roll back, their influence gets progressively smaller (not exactly one half because eventually some seventh cousins will marry and then you'll have some duplication on your family tree), and if your family does stay in the Levant over four or five generations (however many you can trace back), then it's a reasonably safe bet that your genetic material is circumscribed to the area.
Just had a glance at Reddit today and theres a discussion about how goblins are wacist because they are really Jews!!!
I told you there was no limit ti the insane these cultists will hallucinate.
Next up! Mind Flayers are really Mexican Illegal Aliens!
Quote from: Omega on March 11, 2023, 01:43:36 AM
Just had a glance at Reddit today and theres a discussion about how goblins are wacist because they are really Jews!!!
I told you there was no limit ti the insane these cultists will hallucinate.
Next up! Mind Flayers are really Mexican Illegal Aliens!
I think Paizo's Pathfinder Goblins reflect the creators' fear of children.
Quote from: S'mon on March 11, 2023, 02:16:46 AM
Quote from: Omega on March 11, 2023, 01:43:36 AM
Just had a glance at Reddit today and theres a discussion about how goblins are wacist because they are really Jews!!!
I told you there was no limit ti the insane these cultists will hallucinate.
Next up! Mind Flayers are really Mexican Illegal Aliens!
I think Paizo's Pathfinder Goblins reflect the creators' fear of children.
Greetings!
The creator's *Fear of Children*? Interesting! *Laughing* How so, S'mon? I've only seen some of the artwork--which seems fairly interesting and cool on its own merits--but I don't know what they have otherwise provided as their interpretation of Goblins.
I like Goblins. Certainly the humorous, twisted, mythologically-inspired Goblins.
And, of course, children are great! I absolutely loved introducing my nephew and nieces to D&D! Children are wonderful! As a side observation, damn, Kids often take to gaming much better than many adults. They get into portraying their characters, they take the world *super-seriously*--and often just...yeah, they attack the entire campaign setting with such ferocious and uninhibited joy and enthusiasm! I love it!
But yeah, elaborate more my friend on your thoughts about their Goblins and the creators of them!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Well the PF Goblins have a kind of chaotic childlike energy, combined with a sort of sociopathy I associate with very young children. They're highly destructive. And yet they have a kind of innocence about them too. I don't see any of that in other depictions of Goblins, eg Tolkien or D&D.
I think Seattle & Left Coast 'baizuo' culture is highly anti-natalist, since children get in the way of self-expression, of 'living your best life'.
The only true goblins are Moggs
Quote from: S'mon on March 11, 2023, 03:21:46 AM
Well the PF Goblins have a kind of chaotic childlike energy, combined with a sort of sociopathy I associate with very young children. They're highly destructive. And yet they have a kind of innocence about them too. I don't see any of that in other depictions of Goblins, eg Tolkien or D&D.
I think Seattle & Left Coast 'baizuo' culture is highly anti-natalist, since children get in the way of self-expression, of 'living your best life'.
Greetings!
Nice, S'mon! Thank you. Yeah, I agree. The fucking Baizuo are definitely anti-natalist. "living their best life".*Laughing* Oh my god. So true, my friend!
Such pathetic creatures, consumed by narcissism, selfishness, absolute hedonism and debauchery. This is what is becoming of people in the West.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
QuoteJust going by my parents tests, which each showed Cohanim (Levant) at 100%. It's not in-breeding, that's a region not the identical DNA - who else were they supposed to marry if they were in the same region for generation after generation? Not sure why you'd want to be a dick about it. I am not some DNA expert just telling you what their results said, I think from 23 and me? I saw the results but I have no idea if 23 and me is accurate or not to that degree.
Interesting - from which Jewish ethnicity you hail then? Iraq? Yemen?
QuoteI think Paizo's Pathfinder Goblins reflect the creators' fear of children.
I think there is simpler solution - PF Goblins are simply copy-cats of Gremlins.
Lacking long noses - but instead with wide sharp toothmouth and simmilarily destructive.
Quite ironically they copied alignment from D&D - and left goblins NE and bugbears CE - even though in PF they really should swap them - goblins are extremely chaotic.
Quote from: S'mon on March 11, 2023, 03:21:46 AM
Well the PF Goblins have a kind of chaotic childlike energy, combined with a sort of sociopathy I associate with very young children. They're highly destructive. And yet they have a kind of innocence about them too. I don't see any of that in other depictions of Goblins, eg Tolkien or D&D.
I think Seattle & Left Coast 'baizuo' culture is highly anti-natalist, since children get in the way of self-expression, of 'living your best life'.
Kender in rubber suits.
Quote from: Mistwell on March 04, 2023, 12:15:08 AM
Quote from: halfling rogue on March 03, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
So yesterday, in a thread called "What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content" some folks were discussing the portrayal of ancient Egyptian culture in games, and some were bemoaning some TSR pictures.
I stated it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white.
That's it.
Now I'm banned for life. 8)
You can tell you're over the target when positive, rational, statements brings out the rage. EN World is run by people whose love for trannies trumps the outspoken and unaddressed hatred of a woman and they hate white people.
That's pretty outrageous. Recent DNA research on Pharaohs (like this link for example (https://www.peopleofar.com/2017/06/05/ancient-egyptians-were-closer-to-armenians-than-to-africans-a-new-genetics-study-reveals/)) showed, contrary to assumptions, the Pharaohs have less DNA in common with modern Egyptians and Africans, and more in common with Near East and the Levant. Greek, Armenian, Israeli, that region of mostly lighter-skinned people with a slight olive tint.
You know - like me, a Jewish guy with 100% Cohanim (Levant) DNA who is classified by all American ethnicity and racial surveys as "White." If someone said it was OK to portray ME as white (and it absolutely is) then why would it not be OK to portray people who share my same kind of DNA heritage as white?
Though I was perfectly aware of the DNA research, I could care less.
The entire point isn't whether Egyptians were white, black, or green.
It's about what is acceptable and what is unacceptable under a social totalitarianism.
It's unacceptable to say it's okay to like J.K. Rowling because Transgender Ideology is their precious. Trannies don't like Rowling so what I said is unacceptable, but wishing her dead is a perfectly in line.
It's unacceptable to say it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white because Marxist Race Theory is their precious. Insert any other skin color in my statement and they don't bat an eye.
They innately know their current precious objects of worship are build upon sand. Any perceived threat must go. They do not care a wit about reason, facts, or history. People who think men can be women have disqualified themselves from rational discussion. They are primal. It is win or lose. If more people resisted in every realm, even on stupid gaming forums, rather than being scared of being called names or being censored or banned, it would all collapse overnight.
Surely this whole goblin brouhaha is trollish satire.
Quote from: S'mon on March 11, 2023, 02:16:46 AM
I think Paizo's Pathfinder Goblins reflect the creators' fear of children.
Or that.
Quote from: Punch and Pie on March 14, 2023, 09:42:06 PM
Surely this whole goblin brouhaha is trollish satire.
You wish, no it's not.
PF goblins are barely sentient two legged piranha. They think writing steals words out of your brain. But they make good low-level fodder.
I can imagine a bugbear, a hobgoblin, and an orc watching goblins, and all of the first three looking at each other uncomfortably. 'Man, I hate to be related to these guys, they're just embarrassing.'
Now TBH Pathfinder orcs are not related with goblins, which mirrors most of post-3e maybe 2e lore that puts only goblins, hobgoblins and bugbears into goblinkin.
And PF hobgoblins and bugbears share gremline like piranha mouths of their lowkin
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 14, 2023, 11:56:45 AM
Kender in rubber suits.
Dammit, GeekyBugle! I snorted coffee through my nose. And now I have a mental image of Tasselhoff Burrfoot as The Gimp.
Well played, sir.
It' puts the sword back into the scabbard or it gets the hose again.
Quote from: Abraxus on March 21, 2023, 12:09:57 PM
It' puts the sword back into the scabbard or it gets the hose again.
"Wait, how'd I get in this pit? Why is that Kender wearing a rubber suit? Why does my butt hurt? Is that a bottle of lotion in the basket?"
GM: "Roll for initiative."
Quote from: Feratu on March 21, 2023, 12:48:14 PM
Quote from: Abraxus on March 21, 2023, 12:09:57 PM
It' puts the sword back into the scabbard or it gets the hose again.
"Wait, how'd I get in this pit? Why is that Kender wearing a rubber suit? Why does my butt hurt? Is that a bottle of lotion in the basket?"
GM: "Roll for initiative."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epf2NqNXcAENjnt.jpg)
Quote from: Grognard GM on March 21, 2023, 03:17:55 PM
Quote from: Feratu on March 21, 2023, 12:48:14 PM
Quote from: Abraxus on March 21, 2023, 12:09:57 PM
It' puts the sword back into the scabbard or it gets the hose again.
"Wait, how'd I get in this pit? Why is that Kender wearing a rubber suit? Why does my butt hurt? Is that a bottle of lotion in the basket?"
GM: "Roll for initiative."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epf2NqNXcAENjnt.jpg)
LOL Pundit's gonna fire us for sure. On the positive side, this is more entertaining than trying to converse at ENworld! (clunky attempt to steer this back on topic)
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 08, 2023, 04:32:05 PM
So I post and read here because it seemed to be the last rpg site where you don't need to genuflect to Chairman Mao to be a member, when a new friend started telling me how great EN World is. The general impression he gave was that RPGnet is a cesspool, but this place leans too right, so EN World is a sweet spot, where it's just about the games.
It just so happened that while searching today, a link lead me to EN World. Remembering the recommendation, and wanting to give it a sniff test, I looked up their thread about the Kyle Brink interview and HOLY HELL! The place reeks of RPGnet about 2016.
https://www.enworld.org/threads/kyle-brink-d-d-exec-producer-on-ogl-controversy-one-d-d-summary.695136/ (https://www.enworld.org/threads/kyle-brink-d-d-exec-producer-on-ogl-controversy-one-d-d-summary.695136/)
It's well worth reading the whole thing, if you can avoid throwing up your stomach lining. Here are a couple of gems, from site Mods, a sure guarantee that the site is a dead zer walking.
So a poster named Halfling Rogue makes a few posts with HIDEOUS bigotry like "you can't fight racism with racism." When people say Brink just wants to turf out leadership for being disgustingly White, not players, Halfling says:
Quote from: halfling rogueI don't see how his statement is any less racist just because he's talking about leadership at WotC.
In swoops a Moderator like a Superhero.
Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
Statements that desire for a diverse corporate makeup is somehow racist are a problem. Please don't suggest that.
To answer your question (in a way that I know does not brook further discussion) is that, like it or not, modern concepts of racism are dependent on socio-economic power disparity. Racism generally requires, "punching down," so to speak. Discrimination, racism, and bigotry then are not equivalent.
That, from a place of privilege, a move towards equity feels like someone is punching down at you doesn't make it so.
Halfling, at the 'die on your feet or live on your knees' intersection, replies:
Quote from: halfling rogueModern concepts of racism sounds like a bunch of commie gobbledygook.
The Mod swoops back in, to ban Halfling:
Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
You should know by now that moderation posts are not invitations for further commentary. Even if you forgot that is in the rules, I mentioned it explicitly in the post.
So, you are done in this discussion.
After the banning, any dissenters are VERY careful with their milquetoast posts of disagreement, and swarmed by activist types. But the crowning glory, the cherry on the shit cake was when the second Mod arrived, like Zeus' thunderbolt.
Poster Kai Lord had posted:
Quote from: Kai Lord"Fighting racism with racism" is still itself racist and wrong and shows that WOTC and Kyle Brink are really only about the optics of appearing inclusive when they are anything but.
He, however, had underestimated the IQ 1000 Mods, as he was told:
Quote from: DannyalcatrazMod Note:
You're not going to win people over with that position. We've actually got actual USA case law- some involving my own law school- that explicitly states that considering race to rectify past racism is not itself racism. Considering the harmed does not harm others; giving someone a hand up to your level after they been denied that progress doesn't push you down.
So you've played this card, but it isn't a winning one. You gambled and lost; all of your poker chips are gone. And so you must leave this particular table.
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This thread has it all, purity spirals, "actually my son is biracial!", a professional grievance counsellor chiming in, wow.
Warning: reading 30 pages by gaslight may strain your eyes.
TLDR: EN World has joined the ranks of every other hobby forum, hollowed out by activist beetles, leaving only a husk of its former self.
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