Adding fuel to the fire...wasn't Cleopatra a direct descendant of Alexander?

Quote from: Brad on March 03, 2023, 07:03:22 PM
Adding fuel to the fire...wasn't Cleopatra a direct descendant of Alexander?

Greetings!

Hey Brad! No, my friend. Cleopatra was not related to Alexander the Great--but she was like the eighth-line descendent from King Ptolemy, who was a close friend, companion, and uber-powerful elite General that served throughout Alexander's conquests. As a reward, Ptolemy was given the Kingship and mastery of All Egypt. The Ptolemies generally adopted Egyptian cultural customs--and interbred amongst their own family and related family lines. I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that *some* Semetic bloodlines got mixed in their over the dynastic history, but Cleopatra was clearly a white Greek Girl.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on March 03, 2023, 07:20:01 PM
Hey Brad! No, my friend. Cleopatra was not related to Alexander the Great--but she was like the eighth-line descendent from King Ptolemy, who was a close friend, companion, and uber-powerful elite General that served throughout Alexander's conquests. As a reward, Ptolemy was given the Kingship and mastery of All Egypt. The Ptolemies generally adopted Egyptian cultural customs--and interbred amongst their own family and related family lines. I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that *some* Semetic bloodlines got mixed in their over the dynastic history, but Cleopatra was clearly a white Greek Girl.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Yeah, there you go. Don't try too hard to remember things when you've had a bit too much whiskey. I'm actually drinking out of a glass my wife had laser engraved for me: "Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whiskey is barely enough. - Mark Twain"

Quote from: grimshwiz on February 09, 2023, 01:24:12 AM
That site is trash. I got a site ban for sticking up for the new TSR when there was an outrage against them a few years back over some comments. Now the only forum I go to is this site since it is normal people sharing opinions and if they differ there is a civil discussion.

Well you deserve plenty of shit for defending NuTSR. Talk about trash companies.

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2023, 07:52:48 PM
Well you deserve plenty of shit for defending NuTSR. Talk about trash companies.

Never thought I'd agree with you about this sort of stuff, but here we are...

I think we should all just relax and realize that no one should talk about the "EN World" in public.

Because that would racist.

Quote from: halfling rogue on March 03, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
So yesterday, in a thread called "What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content" some folks were discussing the portrayal of ancient Egyptian culture in games, and some were bemoaning some TSR pictures.

I stated it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white.

That's it.

Now I'm banned for life. 

You can tell you're over the target when positive, rational, statements brings out the rage. EN World is run by people whose love for trannies trumps the outspoken and unaddressed hatred of a woman and they hate white people.

That's pretty outrageous. Recent DNA research on Pharaohs (like this link for example) showed, contrary to assumptions, the Pharaohs have less DNA in common with modern Egyptians and Africans, and more in common with Near East and the Levant.  Greek, Armenian, Israeli, that region of mostly lighter-skinned people with a slight olive tint.

You know - like me, a Jewish guy with 100% Cohanim (Levant) DNA who is classified by all American ethnicity and racial surveys as "White." If someone said it was OK to portray ME as white (and it absolutely is) then why would it not be OK to portray people who share my same kind of DNA heritage as white?

Quote from: Mistwell on March 04, 2023, 12:15:08 AM

Quote from: halfling rogue on March 03, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
So yesterday, in a thread called "What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content" some folks were discussing the portrayal of ancient Egyptian culture in games, and some were bemoaning some TSR pictures.

I stated it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white.

That's it.

Now I'm banned for life. 

You can tell you're over the target when positive, rational, statements brings out the rage. EN World is run by people whose love for trannies trumps the outspoken and unaddressed hatred of a woman and they hate white people.

That's pretty outrageous. Recent DNA research on Pharaohs (like this link for example) showed, contrary to assumptions, the Pharaohs have less DNA in common with modern Egyptians and Africans, and more in common with Near East and the Levant.  Greek, Armenian, Israeli, that region of mostly lighter-skinned people with a slight olive tint.

You know - like me, a Jewish guy with 100% Cohanim (Levant) DNA who is classified by all American ethnicity and racial surveys as "White." If someone said it was OK to portray ME as white (and it absolutely is) then why would it not be OK to portray people who share my same kind of DNA heritage as white?

Considering that DNA tests go back about 10-15 generations (250-300 years), to be 100% would require some incredible levels of inbreeding and racism by your kin for hundreds of years minimum. I don't know whether to clap, or drive you off with a torch and pitchfork.

Or, you know, you've never been actually tested, and work on family fairy tales.

I got permanently banned from rpg.net for—I am not kidding—a scattered series of posts over time on various topics that 90% of people would consider "woke" comments. The problem was that I wrote a woke comment that argued with a different woke comment, and the moderator determined that I crossed a line by challenging the opinion.

For example, I got a ban for a period because in a thread condemning Frank Baum (Oz author) over his racist comments about Cheyenne and Native Americans (Baum lived out West at the time and after a few violent incidents became very vocal against them), I said, "Hey, wait a minute, if you cancel Baum and ban him and his works, you are also cancelling an author whose books are considered extremely important to the trans community (Ozma of Oz, whether you agree or not, is considered an early trans character and an important one in literature). So, yeah, I got banned for being "woke" about one issue because it challenged another "woke" cause. (I should also note that there has been a couple different threads not banned that praised Baum for this supposed trans aspect of his writing, that did not mention anything about Cheyenne.)

Then another time I got banned because in a thread about MAR Barker having Nazi/anti-Semitic connections (he did, let's not argue that one), again the mob wanted to burn the man's books, cancel his existence and legacy, etc., with a series of stupid "all racists must be destroyed" comments by people who apparently knew nothing and didn't want to know anything. My great transgression is that I came into to say, " Okay, I have no argument with him being anti-Semitic and that is awful, but can we have a discussion about how he wasn't a typical "white guy who hates Jews" because MAR Barker converted to Islam (even adopting a name), was a HUGE scholar of South Asian language and culture, and his Tekumel setting was itself the earliest and most comprehensive fantasy worlds that was not based on European tropes and actually celebrated non-White, non-Christian traditions?" Again, pointing out that while the guy may have been a bad guy in one respect, he was also an incredibly important figure for spreading Asian language and culture. The majority of people posting in this thread didn't know who Barker was and most had no idea and even wanted to deny that his academic work existed or mattered. I did not deny in any way that Barker was (almost assuredly) an anti-Semite and that was awful, but merely said, "what about the other aspects of him?" not to say he was therefore good but just to suggest that it was an interesting subject to also discuss. I also expressly raised the often-debated question of "Can you or should you separate the art from the artist?" question, that people often debate when it comes out that a great artist was a really shitty person, yet their art is important.

Each of my couple other bans was the same—the sin of raising a "woke" issue that challenged the "woke" issue du jour. I cannot imagine a clearer example of arbitrary censorship and petty authoritarianism than this. Part of my conclusion about this is that one of the biggest problems at rpg.net and now enworld is that the moderators are power-hungry SJ warriors who don't actually know very much, and so stomp around trying to beat their chest and show how great they are. The silly little speeches they give in their banning posts often makes this clear. In my Barker example, it was clear from various Moderator posts that the moderator didn't know anything about Tekumel, didn't know a thing about Barker's impressive academic career, didn't know Barker lived in South Asia for a long period, etc.—yet felt empowered to make virtue-signaling posts.

Quote from: Dispotatic254 on March 03, 2023, 10:14:19 PM
I think we should all just relax and realize that no one should talk about the "EN World" in public.

Because that would racist.

Well played.

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Quote from: halfling rogue on March 03, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
So yesterday, in a thread called "What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content" some folks were discussing the portrayal of ancient Egyptian culture in games, and some were bemoaning some TSR pictures.

I stated it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white.

That's it.

Now I'm banned for life. 

You can tell you're over the target when positive, rational, statements brings out the rage. EN World is run by people whose love for trannies trumps the outspoken and unaddressed hatred of a woman and they hate white people.

That's pretty outrageous. Recent DNA research on Pharaohs (like this link for example) showed, contrary to assumptions, the Pharaohs have less DNA in common with modern Egyptians and Africans, and more in common with Near East and the Levant.  Greek, Armenian, Israeli, that region of mostly lighter-skinned people with a slight olive tint.

You know - like me, a Jewish guy with 100% Cohanim (Levant) DNA who is classified by all American ethnicity and racial surveys as "White." If someone said it was OK to portray ME as white (and it absolutely is) then why would it not be OK to portray people who share my same kind of DNA heritage as white?

Autosomal DNA or chromosome haplogroup?

Quote from: GamerforHire on March 04, 2023, 09:38:33 AM
I got permanently banned from rpg.net for—I am not kidding—a scattered series of posts over time on various topics that 90% of people would consider "woke" comments. The problem was that I wrote a woke comment that argued with a different woke comment, and the moderator determined that I crossed a line by challenging the opinion.
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Not all Amerindians are created woqual anyway, if Chief Red Cloud had anything to say about that (and he did, with gusto!), but even setting him aside I imagine that all the tribes with a recorded liking for books, flags, wheels, beasts of burden, and moderate drinking don't tolerate being put on a false pedestal for manipulative proggoid fawning. Some were pretty keen on the ol' race mixing at that, which is how the Métis/Mestizos/Latinos crowds even got to be a thing. Whites couldn't have been that bad to raise families with back then, given who we have now.

I also can't imagine how Heidegger could have been a Nazi Party member while double-dipping his wick in the matzah bowl, but he had disavowed it all later so he can't be cancelled now I guess, and there was clearly a reason to permit mischling battalions in the Wehrmacht as the war started out. Then again, anti-Semitism is really a gross ideology, since I have nothing against the Maltese whatsoever.

Quote from: Dispotatic254 on March 04, 2023, 11:38:14 AM
Not all Amerindians are created woqual anyway, if Chief Red Cloud had anything to say about that (and he did, with gusto!), but even setting him aside I imagine that all the tribes with a recorded liking for books, flags, wheels, beasts of burden, and moderate drinking don't tolerate being put on a false pedestal for manipulative proggoid fawning. Some were pretty keen on the ol' race mixing at that, which is how the Métis/Mestizos/Latinos crowds even got to be a thing. Whites couldn't have been that bad to raise families with back then, given who we have now.

I also can't imagine how Heidegger could have been a Nazi Party member while double-dipping his wick in the matzah bowl, but he had disavowed it all later so he can't be cancelled now I guess, and there was clearly a reason to permit mischling battalions in the Wehrmacht as the war started out. Then again, anti-Semitism is really a gross ideology, since I have nothing against the Maltese whatsoever.

This post reminds me of

 

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Quote from: halfling rogue on March 03, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
So yesterday, in a thread called "What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content" some folks were discussing the portrayal of ancient Egyptian culture in games, and some were bemoaning some TSR pictures.

I stated it's okay to portray Pharaohs as white.

That's it.

Now I'm banned for life. 

You can tell you're over the target when positive, rational, statements brings out the rage. EN World is run by people whose love for trannies trumps the outspoken and unaddressed hatred of a woman and they hate white people.

That's pretty outrageous. Recent DNA research on Pharaohs (like this link for example) showed, contrary to assumptions, the Pharaohs have less DNA in common with modern Egyptians and Africans, and more in common with Near East and the Levant.  Greek, Armenian, Israeli, that region of mostly lighter-skinned people with a slight olive tint.

You know - like me, a Jewish guy with 100% Cohanim (Levant) DNA who is classified by all American ethnicity and racial surveys as "White." If someone said it was OK to portray ME as white (and it absolutely is) then why would it not be OK to portray people who share my same kind of DNA heritage as white?

Considering that DNA tests go back about 10-15 generations (250-300 years), to be 100% would require some incredible levels of inbreeding and racism by your kin for hundreds of years minimum. I don't know whether to clap, or drive you off with a torch and pitchfork.

Or, you know, you've never been actually tested, and work on family fairy tales.

Just going by my parents tests, which each showed Cohanim (Levant) at 100%. It's not in-breeding, that's a region not the identical DNA - who else were they supposed to marry if they were in the same region for generation after generation? Not sure why you'd want to be a dick about it. I am not some DNA expert just telling you what their results said, I think from 23 and me? I saw the results but I have no idea if 23 and me is accurate or not to that degree.