Changing the ruleset between editions doesn't preserve the energy of the original edition. See D&D 3e and 4e for more details.

So my theory is doing just fine.

Quote from: Gagarth;1092206The Kult : Divinty Lost does not use the original mechanics. It uses  Powered by the Apocalypse.

So its even worse than I thought!

PbtA is exactly the opposite of rules getting the fuck out of the way which is crucial for a horror RPG.

Changing the ruleset between editions doesn't preserve the energy of the original edition. See D&D 3e and 4e for more details.

So my theory is doing just fine.

Quote from: Gagarth;1092206The Kult : Divinty Lost does not use the original mechanics. It uses  Powered by the Apocalypse.

Its even worse than I thought!

PbtA is a good game. It has some narrative hooha stuff in it, in some distros/games but Kult is not one of them. It basically codifies trad play in a way that helps spur the conversation part of the game. It's major tagline is "play to see what happens" which is the same goals as OSR GMs.

I would recommend that those who are skeptical take a look at it.

Quote from: Gagarth;1092206The Kult : Divinty Lost does not use the original mechanics. It uses  Powered by the Apocalypse.

Hard pass. No longer interested. Thanks for the heads up! (Returns to collector boards for 'gently used' oldies.)

How was the 1st edition of Kult in English like? I heard some stuff about it being toned down a bit...or was this the 2nd edition?

I acquired the 1st edition in English back in the 90s.  My friend and I read the game fiction aloud on the way back from the store and laughed awkwardly at the gory horror.  In time, I wondered if I was comfortable with my purchase.

It's now one of my favorite gaming possessions.

Hm, reading this, several things comes to mind:
On SD, i can only say one positive thing ... Åkesson has cleaned it up well ... on the outside, but that is all on the surface.
There was briefly another good thing, wanting to exit the EU, but i guess we were both screwed there (voted left, they and SD was the only "Exit EU-alternatives" a few years back), as not even they were interested in that any longer in the EU-voting.

On KULT:
Owned the original ... while i was in a psyche ward, no less.
Great concept, decent rules (very BRP, the system-to-go in Sweden back then), plays a hell of a lot with psychological problems as well as splatter horror ...
And that alternate take on insanity and humanity ...
I miss it.

On PbtA ....
It might work, but it has nothing to offer me, and it is NOT OSR ... Although, i find "OSR" over-rated, as i'm more of a WoD - fan.
* smirks *

On SJW shenanigans:
I'm a fucking leftist transgender, trans-racial, pansexual otherkin, and a damned weird "snowflake" ... But SJWs are too far off on the authoritarian border and, to reuse a now seemingly forgotten reference:
They are NOT MY SHIELD.
Fuck them, they might need it.

Quote from: Catelf;1092869On SJW shenanigans:
I'm a fucking leftist transgender, trans-racial, pansexual otherkin, and a damned weird "snowflake" ... But SJWs are too far off on the authoritarian border and, to reuse a now seemingly forgotten reference:
They are NOT MY SHIELD.
Fuck them, they might need it.

Yeah, what irks me the most is that the chosen few seem to think they speak for everyone. And that some delicate flowers in the rpg hobby need a safe space, that old fantasy art is just about toxic masculinity etc. They are few, but they are smart/loud enough to infiltrate and influence rpg companies.

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1092871Yeah, what irks me the most is that the chosen few seem to think they speak for everyone. And that some delicate flowers in the rpg hobby need a safe space, that old fantasy art is just about toxic masculinity etc. They are few, but they are smart/loud enough to infiltrate and influence rpg companies.

"Leftist" i.e. liberal and equality - based ideals had a good motion forward a bunch of years ago, but on ALL successful waves there will always be riding attention-seekers and manipulators, supported by people that like the ideals and the ideas, but that cannot see or refuse to see that the ones they are supporting only gives lip service and nothing else to the ideas and ideals.
I don't blame them, they just don't know better, and today, despite the knowledge at our fingertips, it is still hard to get fully informed, as there are echo chambers and the equivalent of "safe spaces" (yes, for the right as well) practically everywhere, and for every political view.

This place took me out of a path to SJW-dom, frankly, i find the mix of opinions on here refreshing.

But, as the main point here is games, i would like to say that the reviewer that claims the scenario isn't Trump-bashing has a point, as KULT's world is pretty much that however you do, you're screwed.
Of course, the one that wrote it could easily have been bashing Trump, but really, the original game bashed historical characters to the right and left, including the game creators themselves ... yes, they went meta.

So i would say it is still usable, perhaps after a few tweaks.

Quote from: Catelf;1092979"Leftist" i.e. liberal and equality - based ideals had a good motion forward a bunch of years ago, but on ALL successful waves there will always be riding attention-seekers and manipulators, supported by people that like the ideals and the ideas, but that cannot see or refuse to see that the ones they are supporting only gives lip service and nothing else to the ideas and ideals.
I don't blame them, they just don't know better, and today, despite the knowledge at our fingertips, it is still hard to get fully informed, as there are echo chambers and the equivalent of "safe spaces" (yes, for the right as well) practically everywhere, and for every political view.

This place took me out of a path to SJW-dom, frankly, i find the mix of opinions on here refreshing.

Yup, there is more than one axis when it comes to human beliefs. People can very much be anti-Liberty ass-clenchers while otherwise agreeing with you elsewhere. Humans are allowed to be complicated.

Quote from: Catelf;1092979But, as the main point here is games, i would like to say that the reviewer that claims the scenario isn't Trump-bashing has a point, as KULT's world is pretty much that however you do, you're screwed.
Of course, the one that wrote it could easily have been bashing Trump, but really, the original game bashed historical characters to the right and left, including the game creators themselves ... yes, they went meta.

So i would say it is still usable, perhaps after a few tweaks.

Yeah, if there ever were some games where modern politics should become gaming fodder Kult is definitely on that list. It takes the royal piss out of everything. It's like Kierkegaard decided to make an RPG on how to deconstruct polemics with Clive Barker cenobites chasing you. Yes, it's every bit as crazy and wonderful and torturous as that sounds -- and yes, finding that right group of gamers for it is rare like hen's teeth.

Quote from: myleftnut;1092179Are any Trump supporters here actually offended?

I'm proTrump and I'm hardly offended. The scenario doesn't matter. KULT doesn't matter. The author doesn't matter.

In ten to twenty years, the number of people that remember any of this with anything more than "remember how people got really retarded for a while" likely approaches zero.

@spinachcat;  Placing Richard Nixon in the same company as Hillary Clinton is an insult to Nixon.