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Elon Musk VS WotC on their Trashing of Gary Gygax

Started by jeff37923, November 22, 2024, 06:12:36 PM

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Eirikrautha

#30
November 25, 2024, 10:55:13 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 25, 2024, 06:40:41 PM
Quote from: Crusader X on November 25, 2024, 05:50:55 PMElon Musk is the bad guy here.

  I've only taken a quick glance at the massive thread on EN World, but that seems to be their take as well.

Well, of course.  The average ENWorld thread (on anything controversial) is far more likely to disappear up it's own ass than provide any useful discussion.  It's usually just a bunch of virtue-signaling room-temperature IQ folks desperately rushing to see who can post the most obsequious drivel fastest.  Any wrongthink is dogpiled instantly, followed by mod action (assuming the mods can see through their own drool clearly enough to read).  I used to follow the pure RPG discussion there, even after I got disgusted with the "moderation" (read "morons"), but now I generally can't even find too many of those.  Quickly someone comes in to tone-police those disagreeing and whoosh... down the stupid slide it goes...
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S'mon

#31
November 26, 2024, 04:32:36 AM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on November 25, 2024, 10:55:13 PMAny wrongthink is dogpiled instantly, followed by mod action (assuming the mods can see through their own drool clearly enough to read). 

It's really just one mod. Umbran is 99% of what's wrong with EN World and has pretty much single handedly set the tone of the site as it is now.
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Hzilong

#32
November 26, 2024, 06:52:41 AM
Quote from: S'mon on November 26, 2024, 04:32:36 AM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on November 25, 2024, 10:55:13 PMAny wrongthink is dogpiled instantly, followed by mod action (assuming the mods can see through their own drool clearly enough to read). 

It's really just one mod. Umbran is 99% of what's wrong with EN World and has pretty much single handedly set the tone of the site as it is now.

Morrus too. Reason why I left the site is because her personally stepped in to moderate and ban someone because arguing against liberal policies was apparently harassment of other posters. This was in a thread, where the people were openly advocating for more antifa style "activism".
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S'mon

#33
November 26, 2024, 07:52:47 AM
Quote from: Hzilong on November 26, 2024, 06:52:41 AM
Quote from: S'mon on November 26, 2024, 04:32:36 AM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on November 25, 2024, 10:55:13 PMAny wrongthink is dogpiled instantly, followed by mod action (assuming the mods can see through their own drool clearly enough to read). 

It's really just one mod. Umbran is 99% of what's wrong with EN World and has pretty much single handedly set the tone of the site as it is now.

Morrus too. Reason why I left the site is because her personally stepped in to moderate and ban someone because arguing against liberal policies was apparently harassment of other posters. This was in a thread, where the people were openly advocating for more antifa style "activism".

Morrus is the other 1% :D

Edit: Yeah the site spirals ever more into insanity, like RPGnet 15 years ago.
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blackstone

#34
November 26, 2024, 08:06:57 AM
Quote from: GhostNinja on November 23, 2024, 09:04:24 PMScrew WOTC.  Glad to hear that shareholders are suing them.

Wait, what? This is a thing?
1. I'm a married homeowner with a career and kids. I won life. You can't insult me.

2. I've been deployed to Iraq, so your tough guy act is boring.

blackstone

#35
November 26, 2024, 08:14:01 AM
Quote from: Omega on November 24, 2024, 06:19:41 PM
Quote from: BadApple on November 23, 2024, 08:29:55 PMI would think the best way for us to get what we would like out of D&D is if we gamers and fans band together and crowd source buying it and form a board to run in in accordance with good game design and ethical property management.

This would be doomed to failure. There are too many differing views on what D&D even should be. And worse there are people trying to enforce a very narrow and false style of play. Sure enough they'd gain control one way or another and we'd be right back to the problem of ousting a new brand of idiots.


The simple fact that WoTC admittedly has taken to DEI in their corporate structure, and has obviously leaked over into D&D, they have NARROWED the customer-base by those very actions. Yet, at the very same time, have been trying to make D&D not just a brand, but a lifestyle brand to permeate through pop culture.

They're trying to have it both ways, and it never works.

Look what happened to Bud Light.
1. I'm a married homeowner with a career and kids. I won life. You can't insult me.

2. I've been deployed to Iraq, so your tough guy act is boring.

Opaopajr

#36
November 26, 2024, 08:53:26 AM Last Edit: November 26, 2024, 08:57:31 AM by Opaopajr
:o So wait, are we getting a SHARK D&D Blood & Boobies edition! :D

:) I wanna be design director for the My Little Pony lands to be crushed by the invading hordes, then viciously reinvaded as PC heroes beat back said horde and bring peace back to such feeble lands. I'm good at weenie NPC nattering nabob of negativity crafting, like professions such as tabulator of the carob rations, neighborhood tattletale, and keeper of the speaking stick! Pick me! Pick me! :)
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Ruprecht

#37
November 26, 2024, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: Opaopajr on November 26, 2024, 08:53:26 AM:o So wait, are we getting a SHARK D&D Blood & Boobies edition! :D
I'd buy it based on the title alone.
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Brad

#38
November 26, 2024, 12:08:14 PM
Quote from: blackstone on November 26, 2024, 08:06:57 AM
Quote from: GhostNinja on November 23, 2024, 09:04:24 PMScrew WOTC.  Glad to hear that shareholders are suing them.

Wait, what? This is a thing?

Yeah, it's a thing and will result in no-thing. Well TECHNICALLY the shareholders are suing Hasbro (WotC isn't publicly traded as far as I know):

https://static.blbglaw.com/docs/November%2013%2C%202024%20-%20Initial%20Complaint_Hasbro.pdf

Class action, everyone will probably get a dollar, the end.
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Armchair Gamer

#39
November 26, 2024, 01:59:22 PM
I just look at Gygax's flaws...then consider Jonathan Tweet's promotion of atheism and abortion...and WotC's celebration of occultism and perversity...

And some words about planks and specks come to mind.

yosemitemike

#40
November 27, 2024, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: blackstone on November 26, 2024, 08:14:01 AMYet, at the very same time, have been trying to make D&D not just a brand, but a lifestyle brand to permeate through pop culture.

Marvel tried that lifestyle thing too with stuff like Marvel themed cooking shows.  It was a miserable failure for them too.  Who would have thought that turning super hero comics into a lifestyle brand for wine aunts would be unsuccessful?
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Ratman_tf

#41
November 27, 2024, 06:43:30 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on November 27, 2024, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: blackstone on November 26, 2024, 08:14:01 AMYet, at the very same time, have been trying to make D&D not just a brand, but a lifestyle brand to permeate through pop culture.

Marvel tried that lifestyle thing too with stuff like Marvel themed cooking shows.  It was a miserable failure for them too.  Who would have thought that turning super hero comics into a lifestyle brand for wine aunts would be unsuccessful?

I just had a radical notion! Maybe they should try to tell good stories before leaning into branding and merchandise and whatnot.
Nah. That's silly.
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GnomeWorks

#42
November 27, 2024, 06:55:03 PM
Quote from: BadApple on November 24, 2024, 02:43:05 PMThat's how he became rich and was able to start Tesla and Space X.

Point of order: Musk did not start Tesla, he invested a ton in it early on. He only gets to call himself a cofounder due to a lawsuit.
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Ruprecht

#43
November 27, 2024, 08:41:19 PM
I would like to ad that although musk is on the right side of censorship and gov bloat he has also started his companies by soaking up government handouts whenever possible. Maybe he changed, maybe not. We will see.
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing. ~Robert E. Howard

Hzilong

#44
November 27, 2024, 10:51:30 PM
Quote from: Ruprecht on November 27, 2024, 08:41:19 PMI would like to ad that although musk is on the right side of censorship and gov bloat he has also started his companies by soaking up government handouts whenever possible. Maybe he changed, maybe not. We will see.

I'd say its kind of a "hate the game not the player" situation. Business should try to get what they can out of the government because the government will damn sure try to fleece you too.
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