Not all monsters would be a good source of protein due to their meat being foul or poisonous.
But some would not only be a good source of protein but maybe a source of magic powers.
For instance the legend about Unicorn horn being medicinal.
Dragon Scales used as shields?
Dragon blood bringing you from the brink of death?
What have you done in your campaigns?
'Purple worm jerky'. Nuff said.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 21, 2021, 03:00:02 PM
'Purple worm jerky'. Nuff said.
LOL, never thought of that. Any added benefits besides the protein?
I did have the idea that we should market it as an, ahem, 'male enhancement' supplement. You know, make your 'purple worm' a bit bigger.
(Whether it actually had that effect or not is in question. We were somewhat morally ambiguous.)
I saw some suggestions for using variant spell components, and of course potions ALWAYS need some rare ingredients too.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 21, 2021, 03:04:28 PM
I did have the idea that we should market it as an, ahem, 'male enhancement' supplement. You know, make your 'purple worm' a bit bigger.
(Whether it actually had that effect or not is in question. We were somewhat morally ambiguous.)
I saw some suggestions for using variant spell components, and of course potions ALWAYS need some rare ingredients too.
Well... I'm at a loss for words.
If it worked you could have raked the gold pieces.
Some monster body parts are a source of spell components or are valuable to alchemists, warlocks, and witches. Basilisk blood or eye, for example. There have been more than a few instances of players I know ripping apart a monster's corpse to extract body parts.
My players generally want to skin, gut and quarter any non-humanoid monster and break it down for meat if its a beast, and marketable parts for magical critters. I have to handle this on a case by case basis, but generally by an amount of edible meat and a GP value of trophy bits/spell components. I don't usually give a "eat this and gain benefits" to most things simply harvested in the field.
They did get some Bulette plate shields though.
The Ranger class in dungeon world doesn't consume rations when in a dungeon. I always envision him saying "Hey, Giant Rat, there's good eating on them!"
I had a player whose hedge wizard PC frequently collected monster parts for research or because he thought it might be "useful someday" (in brewing potions, balms, etc.).
Ogre sweat, giant snakes scales or poison, and so on. I handled it on a case-by-case basis.
Most of the time I invented some use for those things. Of course most knowledge regarding monster parts was taken from setting folklore, so sometimes it didn't work at all (at best) and sometimes it had some unexpected side-effects. ;D
Quote from: rytrasmi on October 21, 2021, 03:14:26 PM
Some monster body parts are a source of spell components or are valuable to alchemists, warlocks, and witches. Basilisk blood or eye, for example. There have been more than a few instances of players I know ripping apart a monster's corpse to extract body parts.
This is exactly what my Wizard has been doing in the AD&D2e campaign I'm playing in. He collected so far dragon bones, Wyvern poison (we used to poison some arrows) and other small sutff.
Quote from: DM_Curt on October 21, 2021, 03:17:05 PM
My players generally want to skin, gut and quarter any non-humanoid monster and break it down for meat if its a beast, and marketable parts for magical critters. I have to handle this on a case by case basis, but generally by an amount of edible meat and a GP value of trophy bits/spell components. I don't usually give a "eat this and gain benefits" to most things simply harvested in the field.
They did get some Bulette plate shields though.
Yeah, it should be rare IMHO, but also some stuff might have a + impact just like some stuff has a - impact if touched/eaten.
I once did the Dragon Blood, can't remember right now what type of Dragon it was, but it brought you from the brink of death if ingested within 2 rounds of you being hit.
I remember making a list of the effects of the blood of different dragons, some were only good for potion/spell use and some were poisonous, one left you blind IIRC.
Quote from: Greywolf76 on October 21, 2021, 03:21:25 PM
I had a player whose hedge wizard PC frequently collected monster parts for research or because he thought it might be "useful someday" (in brewing potions, balms, etc.).
Ogre sweat, giant snakes scales or poison, and so on. I handled it on a case-by-case basis.
Most of the time I invented some use for those things. Of course most knowledge regarding monster parts was taken from setting folklore, so sometimes it didn't work at all (at best) and sometimes it had some unexpected side-effects. ;D
Yeah, "You drink the Wyvern's blood, your skin starts changing color, scales replace hair and your nails become talons, roll to save vs spell/poison to see if you loose your mind".
Oh, and that one time my players crucified a (dead) monster as a warning to others. Fucking psychos.
One of the 2E Volo's guides talks about a Dalelands delicacy, wyvern's tail. Yes, it's exactly what it sounds like -- the tail of a wyvern, cooked. However, because hunting wyverns is not exactly for the faint of heart, there's a dish called 'jack wyvern's tail' which is basically an imitation, using chopped pork and a couple other ingredients.
Someone once pointed out that if a set of dragonhide armor was of relatively recent vintage, it would be a valid target for a resurrection spell (since those spells typically only require a part of the body, not the whole thing). Take care when skinning that red dragon, folks -- it'd be a hell of a thing to have your nemesis be returned from the grave AND lose your custom suit of armor.
It should be noted that a critter that's been chopped at with axes and swords, fried with fireballs, or poisoned with cloudkill might not be in any kind of usable condition.
(Conversely, a critter that fails its save versus finger of death is probably pristine -- but dead.)
One of these days I'm going to have the party stumble upon a group of monsters cutting up another downed party for ingredients. I've been kind of saving that for the follow up party after a TPK, so that the ones being cut up are their previous characters. ;D
I've already used the old gambit of:
GM: "You find a map on tanned leather."
Players: "Cool, we inspect it."
GM: "It appears to be written on the tanned skin of an elf." * (Or whatever race most of them are playing).
Great for motivation!
Quote from: rytrasmi on October 21, 2021, 03:45:08 PM
Oh, and that one time my players crucified a (dead) monster as a warning to others. Fucking psychos.
Not a bad idea... Might suggest that to the party after we help the "Fi, Foo, Fie Giant slayer company" cleanse the ruined city of Giants and Trolls. A couple of Giant Skulls on a pole (fucking tree) might be a good persuader against going there.
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on October 21, 2021, 04:19:52 PM
One of these days I'm going to have the party stumble upon a group of monsters cutting up another downed party for ingredients. I've been kind of saving that for the follow up party after a TPK, so that the ones being cut up are their previous characters. ;D
I've already used the old gambit of:
GM: "You find a map on tanned leather."
Players: "Cool, we inspect it."
GM: "It appears to be written on the tanned skin of an elf." * (Or whatever race most of them are playing).
Great for motivation!
Sooooooooooooooo glad we recovered the corpse of our fallen Dwarven comrade in arms...
Must make sure our GM never talks to you/reads this thread.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 21, 2021, 03:58:48 PM
One of the 2E Volo's guides talks about a Dalelands delicacy, wyvern's tail. Yes, it's exactly what it sounds like -- the tail of a wyvern, cooked. However, because hunting wyverns is not exactly for the faint of heart, there's a dish called 'jack wyvern's tail' which is basically an imitation, using chopped pork and a couple other ingredients.
Someone once pointed out that if a set of dragonhide armor was of relatively recent vintage, it would be a valid target for a resurrection spell (since those spells typically only require a part of the body, not the whole thing). Take care when skinning that red dragon, folks -- it'd be a hell of a thing to have your nemesis be returned from the grave AND lose your custom suit of armor.
Now there's an idea... A shame Necromancy is verboten in our current campaign. Except for the bad guys and the kingdom where my wizard comes from, but living outside of it he would risk death in found practicing it.
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on October 21, 2021, 04:19:52 PM
GM: "You find a map on tanned leather."
Players: "Cool, we inspect it."
GM: "It appears to be written on the tanned skin of an elf." * (Or whatever race most of them are playing).
GM: "You notice an oddly familiar scar on the elf-skin map."
Dungeon Meshi?
Man I need to see if it updated.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 21, 2021, 04:50:13 PM
Dungeon Meshi?
Man I need to see if it updated.
Dining on dungeon monsters who have probably eaten many adventurers of your species...Now there's a recipe for some incurable magical neurodegenerative disease. Mad Minotaur Disease!
Greetings!
Creature and Animal parts being useful in the campaign? Yes, yes indeed. I have entire lists of notes created detailing various magical and beneficial properties of dozens of mythical, magical creatures, as well as many kinds of various races and monsters. There are specific benefits and uses for different creatures' hide, skin, fur, armour, whatever. Teeth, horns, spines, eyes, and so on. Then, there are various benefits gained from eating the meat of certain kinds of creatures and races.
Limosu
Limosu Humanoid (Limosu are a Crayfish-like Humanoid that typically lives in freshwater and brackish environments of lakes, rivers, marshes, and swamps).
Skinning a Limosu and harvesting the creature's armour scales and body parts can be used in the creation of various useful items of armour and weapons, as well as an ingredient in various kinds of magical potions. Limosu meat is a healthy source of food, and aids in disease resistance.
Standard Limosu Brigandine Armour
Standard Limosu Brigandine Armour provides a +1 non-magical bonus to AC, in addition to the base AC rating or Brigandine Armour. In addition, the wearer of the Limosu Brigandine Armour gains a +1 Constitution bonus and a +1 Dexterity bonus.
Greater Limosu Brigandine Armour
Greater Limosu Brigandine Armour provides the wearer with all of the properties of Standard Limosu Brigandine Armour, with the following additional properties;
Damage Reduction of 3/- from non-magical weaponry. The wearer is extremely tough and resilient against most standard attacks, and easily shrugs off damage that would otherwise severely injure or kill another creature.
Water Breathing 3/Day: The wearer may breathe underwater for a duration of up to 30 minutes. This property can be used 3/Day.
Limosu Claw Axe
The Limosu Claw Axe is crafted from a Limosu Claw. Limosu Claws are large, resilient, and very sharp. The Limosu Claw Axe functions as a Battle Axe, and inflicts 1d8 Slashing damage. In addition, the wielder gains a +2 Strength bonus while wielding a Limosu Claw Axe in combat. The Limosu Claw Axe also empowers a wielder with enhanced speed and reflexes, providing the wielder with a +2 bonus to Initiative checks while engaged in combat.
Limosu Blood and Body Organs
Limosu blood and body organs can be used by skilled alchemists in creating Potions of Water Breathing, Potions of Fortitude, and Potions of Underwater Vision.
EATING A LIMOSU
Consuming Limosu meat, organs, and blood possesses strong health benefits. The regular consumption of Limosu provides the character with a bonus saving throw against normal diseases. Furthermore, even if the individual fails the saving throw, the severity, duration, and/or other related effects of the disease are reduced by 25%. Consumption of Limosu meat as part of a regular diet--at least one meal per week--provides enhanced toughness and resilience against many kinds of standard diseases. In addition to the inherent health benefits, Limosu meat is tasty, and is similar in texture, profile, and flavour to Lobster meat.
This is one example of the benefits gained from harvesting a creature for use in creation of items or food.
I think having a variety of benefits gained from eating different kinds of meat and food is outstanding, and enhances the verisimilitude of the campaign. There is also a huge variety of interesting mundane and magical items that can be created for use in a campaign, inspired by the different animal ingredients and monster parts. There are also a range of interesting diseases and parasites that can be spread through the consumption of different kinds of animals and mnsters, as well as toxins that can be very deadly. Even diseases and toxins that don't kill you can be very debilitating. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 21, 2021, 03:58:48 PM
One of the 2E Volo's guides talks about a Dalelands delicacy, wyvern's tail. Yes, it's exactly what it sounds like -- the tail of a wyvern, cooked. However, because hunting wyverns is not exactly for the faint of heart, there's a dish called 'jack wyvern's tail' which is basically an imitation, using chopped pork and a couple other ingredients.
Someone once pointed out that if a set of dragonhide armor was of relatively recent vintage, it would be a valid target for a resurrection spell (since those spells typically only require a part of the body, not the whole thing). Take care when skinning that red dragon, folks -- it'd be a hell of a thing to have your nemesis be returned from the grave AND lose your custom suit of armor.
Sounds like it was inspired by "Farmer Giles of Ham."
Quote from: SHARK on October 21, 2021, 05:20:06 PM
Greetings!
Creature and Animal parts being useful in the campaign? Yes, yes indeed. I have entire lists of notes created detailing various magical and beneficial properties of dozens of mythical, magical creatures, as well as many kinds of various races and monsters. There are specific benefits and uses for different creatures' hide, skin, fur, armour, whatever. Teeth, horns, spines, eyes, and so on. Then, there are various benefits gained from eating the meat of certain kinds of creatures and races.
Limosu
Limosu Humanoid (Limosu are a Crayfish-like Humanoid that typically lives in freshwater and brackish environments of lakes, rivers, marshes, and swamps).
Skinning a Limosu and harvesting the creature's armour scales and body parts can be used in the creation of various useful items of armour and weapons, as well as an ingredient in various kinds of magical potions. Limosu meat is a healthy source of food, and aids in disease resistance.
Standard Limosu Brigandine Armour
Standard Limosu Brigandine Armour provides a +1 non-magical bonus to AC, in addition to the base AC rating or Brigandine Armour. In addition, the wearer of the Limosu Brigandine Armour gains a +1 Constitution bonus and a +1 Dexterity bonus.
Greater Limosu Brigandine Armour
Greater Limosu Brigandine Armour provides the wearer with all of the properties of Standard Limosu Brigandine Armour, with the following additional properties;
Damage Reduction of 3/- from non-magical weaponry. The wearer is extremely tough and resilient against most standard attacks, and easily shrugs off damage that would otherwise severely injure or kill another creature.
Water Breathing 3/Day: The wearer may breathe underwater for a duration of up to 30 minutes. This property can be used 3/Day.
Limosu Claw Axe
The Limosu Claw Axe is crafted from a Limosu Claw. Limosu Claws are large, resilient, and very sharp. The Limosu Claw Axe functions as a Battle Axe, and inflicts 1d8 Slashing damage. In addition, the wielder gains a +2 Strength bonus while wielding a Limosu Claw Axe in combat. The Limosu Claw Axe also empowers a wielder with enhanced speed and reflexes, providing the wielder with a +2 bonus to Initiative checks while engaged in combat.
Limosu Blood and Body Organs
Limosu blood and body organs can be used by skilled alchemists in creating Potions of Water Breathing, Potions of Fortitude, and Potions of Underwater Vision.
EATING A LIMOSU
Consuming Limosu meat, organs, and blood possesses strong health benefits. The regular consumption of Limosu provides the character with a bonus saving throw against normal diseases. Furthermore, even if the individual fails the saving throw, the severity, duration, and/or other related effects of the disease are reduced by 25%. Consumption of Limosu meat as part of a regular diet--at least one meal per week--provides enhanced toughness and resilience against many kinds of standard diseases. In addition to the inherent health benefits, Limosu meat is tasty, and is similar in texture, profile, and flavour to Lobster meat.
This is one example of the benefits gained from harvesting a creature for use in creation of items or food.
I think having a variety of benefits gained from eating different kinds of meat and food is outstanding, and enhances the verisimilitude of the campaign. There is also a huge variety of interesting mundane and magical items that can be created for use in a campaign, inspired by the different animal ingredients and monster parts. There are also a range of interesting diseases and parasites that can be spread through the consumption of different kinds of animals and mnsters, as well as toxins that can be very deadly. Even diseases and toxins that don't kill you can be very debilitating. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
That's my line of thought too brother!
turns out Dungeons & Delvers has an interesting way of dealing with this, using the benefits from the monster/creature parts instead of the bugbear shitting gold pieces when you kill it.
Need to finish reading the book.
There's a whole manga specifically about this that my kids love. It's called Delicious in Dungeon and it's a pretty old school take on Dungeoneering & Delving. You can check out the whole series at https://amzn.to/3Ejl78f (https://amzn.to/3Ejl78f)
Some of the Starfinder monster entries have a bit of equipment derived from the creature. There's no real rules for actually crafting the item, they're just additional equipment.
I was always a bit dissapointed that they didn't have rules for harvesting and crafting that stuff.
Quote from: rytrasmi on October 21, 2021, 05:00:22 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 21, 2021, 04:50:13 PM
Dungeon Meshi?
Man I need to see if it updated.
Dining on dungeon monsters who have probably eaten many adventurers of your species...Now there's a recipe for some incurable magical neurodegenerative disease. Mad Minotaur Disease!
Yes! I don't make it incurable though. You just need to find a powerful healer to do a more potent form of cure disease--that probably needs some specific monster parts used in a ritual to work.
Harvesting monster parts is kind of like buying all your goods at the company store and living in company housing while you work at the mill. You get on that merry go round, hard to get off.
Quote from: rytrasmi on October 21, 2021, 05:00:22 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 21, 2021, 04:50:13 PM
Dungeon Meshi?
Man I need to see if it updated.
Dining on dungeon monsters who have probably eaten many adventurers of your species...Now there's a recipe for some incurable magical neurodegenerative disease. Mad Minotaur Disease!
Murderhobo disease!
Quote from: Pat on October 21, 2021, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on October 21, 2021, 05:00:22 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 21, 2021, 04:50:13 PM
Dungeon Meshi?
Man I need to see if it updated.
Dining on dungeon monsters who have probably eaten many adventurers of your species...Now there's a recipe for some incurable magical neurodegenerative disease. Mad Minotaur Disease!
Murderhobo disease!
Not as bad as some of the diseases these 5e Bards keep getting, if rumors are true.
See the "Sexy Goblins" thread over there..? ;D
The new Fallout RPG has extensive rules for butchering and eating various creatures.
I'll go with anything reasonable my players come up with, like making ankheg chitin into non-metallic half plate for the Druid.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 21, 2021, 02:11:19 PM
Not all monsters would be a good source of protein due to their meat being foul or poisonous.
But some would not only be a good source of protein but maybe a source of magic powers.
For instance the legend about Unicorn horn being medicinal.
Dragon Scales used as shields?
Dragon blood bringing you from the brink of death?
What have you done in your campaigns?
EVERYTHING is edible once the cleric casts
Purify Food and Drink. I've seen players use anything organic as food before just to not spend money on rations.
We had a group eat a bunch of slain crab men. Delicious with butter.
Quote from: jeff37923 on October 22, 2021, 06:25:45 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 21, 2021, 02:11:19 PM
Not all monsters would be a good source of protein due to their meat being foul or poisonous.
But some would not only be a good source of protein but maybe a source of magic powers.
For instance the legend about Unicorn horn being medicinal.
Dragon Scales used as shields?
Dragon blood bringing you from the brink of death?
What have you done in your campaigns?
EVERYTHING is edible once the cleric casts Purify Food and Drink. I've seen players use anything organic as food before just to not spend money on rations.
Not every group has a Cleric tho.
Quote from: Persimmon on October 22, 2021, 09:49:37 AM
We had a group eat a bunch of slain crab men. Delicious with butter.
Giant boars and fireball.... mmm, bacon!
This is really popular in Roguelike games like Nethack and ADOM. ADOM in particular could let you get a bunch of fun things by eating corpses. My favorite was the Kobold Shaman, which would cause debilitating sickness but boost your Mana score by 1. Certain creatures, like Dark Orcs and Giants were valuable targets because their corpses could boost your Strength. Blink Dogs gave you Teleport Control, and Pixies gave you Teleportitis. Eating the corpses of creatures corrupted by Chaos would corrupt you as well, but some of them, especially the bosses of the game, would give you /insane/ boosts. And of course, certain corpses gave you elemental resistances, which were really important.
I'm personally a fan of the idea that eating the brain/neural tissue of a psionic creature also gives you psionics.
One possible issue is that you're going to have your PCs hunting down specific creatures to get boosts. Might not work in say, D&D unless you use incremental boosts, but definitely something I'd like to see in more games.
Quote from: PsyXypher on October 23, 2021, 12:42:45 AM
This is really popular in Roguelike games like Nethack and ADOM. ADOM in particular could let you get a bunch of fun things by eating corpses. My favorite was the Kobold Shaman, which would cause debilitating sickness but boost your Mana score by 1. Certain creatures, like Dark Orcs and Giants were valuable targets because their corpses could boost your Strength. Blink Dogs gave you Teleport Control, and Pixies gave you Teleportitis. Eating the corpses of creatures corrupted by Chaos would corrupt you as well, but some of them, especially the bosses of the game, would give you /insane/ boosts. And of course, certain corpses gave you elemental resistances, which were really important.
I'm personally a fan of the idea that eating the brain/neural tissue of a psionic creature also gives you psionics.
One possible issue is that you're going to have your PCs hunting down specific creatures to get boosts. Might not work in say, D&D unless you use incremental boosts, but definitely something I'd like to see in more games.
Dungeons&Delvers has rules for harvesting monster/creature parts and selling them.
QuoteLimosu Humanoid (Limosu are a Crayfish-like Humanoid that typically lives in freshwater and brackish environments of lakes, rivers, marshes, and swamps).
Pity, my GM consider eating/desacrating bodies of any inteligent species as inheretnly Evil act.
QuoteEVERYTHING is edible once the cleric casts Purify Food and Drink. I've seen players use anything organic as food before just to not spend money on rations.
If something is not inherently edible, then spell should not recognize it as Food.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 23, 2021, 01:32:50 AM
Quote from: PsyXypher on October 23, 2021, 12:42:45 AM
This is really popular in Roguelike games like Nethack and ADOM. ADOM in particular could let you get a bunch of fun things by eating corpses. My favorite was the Kobold Shaman, which would cause debilitating sickness but boost your Mana score by 1. Certain creatures, like Dark Orcs and Giants were valuable targets because their corpses could boost your Strength. Blink Dogs gave you Teleport Control, and Pixies gave you Teleportitis. Eating the corpses of creatures corrupted by Chaos would corrupt you as well, but some of them, especially the bosses of the game, would give you /insane/ boosts. And of course, certain corpses gave you elemental resistances, which were really important.
I'm personally a fan of the idea that eating the brain/neural tissue of a psionic creature also gives you psionics.
One possible issue is that you're going to have your PCs hunting down specific creatures to get boosts. Might not work in say, D&D unless you use incremental boosts, but definitely something I'd like to see in more games.
Dungeons&Delvers has rules for harvesting monster/creature parts and selling them.
As does ACKS, in its Lairs and Encounters supplement.
Yeah, I was going to say that Nethack has a lot of ideas that I'm thinking about bringing into my OSE game (like.. seeing if players are tricked by black unicorns by not recognizing that they're the evil versions of unicorns), it has a good list of stuff that you get from eating monster meat.
The action video game series Monster Hunter has item progression/upgrade/crafting almost entirely based on using powerful monster parts, so ideas from that game series could be used for how to use special/rare monster parts for making exceptional quality weapons and armor, or as required ingredients for crafting magical weapons and armor.
Quote from: Pat on October 22, 2021, 05:17:16 PM
Quote from: Persimmon on October 22, 2021, 09:49:37 AM
We had a group eat a bunch of slain crab men. Delicious with butter.
Giant boars and fireball.... mmm, bacon!
YES!!! And then I'll love giving them parasites to suffer from afterwards! So much fun!
I am surprised that no one has mentioned troll meat?
Cut a hank off of any troll and keep it in a sealable metal container. When you are hungry, let the meat regenerate until it expands to a decent size, then cook it up with so e herbs & spices.
Save a little of the raw meat and re seal the container and you have a renewable source of rations.
Troll meat, the gift that keeps on giving.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 21, 2021, 02:11:19 PM
Not all monsters would be a good source of protein due to their meat being foul or poisonous.
But some would not only be a good source of protein but maybe a source of magic powers.
For instance the legend about Unicorn horn being medicinal.
Dragon Scales used as shields?
Dragon blood bringing you from the brink of death?
What have you done in your campaigns?
My book RPGpundit Presents #1: Dungeonchef is all about this.
Also, RPGPundit Presents #13: Making the Most of Your Dragon Corpse.
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on October 27, 2021, 03:49:32 PM
I am surprised that no one has mentioned troll meat?
Cut a hank off of any troll and keep it in a sealable metal container. When you are hungry, let the meat regenerate until it expands to a decent size, then cook it up with so e herbs & spices.
Save a little of the raw meat and re seal the container and you have a renewable source of rations.
Troll meat, the gift that keeps on giving.
Cool idea but it violates the Law of Conservation of Meat.
Quote from: rytrasmi on October 27, 2021, 04:23:58 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on October 27, 2021, 03:49:32 PM
I am surprised that no one has mentioned troll meat?
Cut a hank off of any troll and keep it in a sealable metal container. When you are hungry, let the meat regenerate until it expands to a decent size, then cook it up with so e herbs & spices.
Save a little of the raw meat and re seal the container and you have a renewable source of rations.
Troll meat, the gift that keeps on giving.
Cool idea but it violates the Law of Conservation of Meat.
The players can swear up and down that cooking troll meat stops the regeneration, but if they pull this stunt, I'm gonna have them roll a d20, then tell them they feel "relatively fine" and scribble a note behind the screen.
From there, we'll see...
Quote from: DM_Curt on October 27, 2021, 07:49:13 PM
The players can swear up and down that cooking troll meat stops the regeneration, but if they pull this stunt, I'm gonna have them roll a d20, then tell them they feel "relatively fine" and scribble a note behind the screen.
From there, we'll see...
Mr. Bard, so tell us where trolls come from.
Well, you see when adventurers love BBQ very much ...
You know how sometimes people call a bad case of acne an "eruption"?
Those who eat trollflesh need to worry about troll eruptions.
1. Troll meat is hard to keep down
2. Ever hear of rabbit starvation? It's not good for you if it's all you eat. Not easy to use protein.
3. You leave incredibly foul turds that can attract wandering monsters during a rest.
4. Risk that you didn't cook it enough and now you have a potential baby troll in your GI tract problem.
5. It might cause cognitive decline with sustained use due to prions.
Should have got a cleric with a KFC bucket miracle/spell instead.
Quote from: palaeomerus on October 28, 2021, 03:09:16 AM
1. Troll meat is hard to keep down
2. Ever hear of rabbit starvation? It's not good for you if it's all you eat. Not easy to use protein.
3. You leave incredibly foul turds that can attract wandering monsters during a rest.
4. Risk that you didn't cook it enough and now you have a potential baby troll in your GI tract problem.
5. It might cause cognitive decline with sustained use due to prions.
Should have got a cleric with a KFC bucket miracle/spell instead.
IIRC Rabbit Starvation is due to the meat being too lean, it lacks the grease you also need.
Not only of protein lives the adventurer.
That being said, Trolls? I'm pretty sure they are the reason "Kill it with fire" is a thing.
Michael Z. Williamson had a pretty good writeup of the challenges of eating, how shall we say, in a less advanced setting. He did some solid research for one of his novels, A Long Time Until Now, and posted commentary at this link: https://www.baen.com/stoneage (warning, the font is fucking TINY at least for my screen; you may need to resize it).
After experimenting with this diet, his comment was:
"After a week of this diet, I was ready to kill someone for some french fries or a peanut butter sandwich."
If acid damage and fire damage can keep a troll from regenerating so they actually die, I'd say the fire from cooking troll meat, and the acid from your stomach would keep it from regenerating as well, but it would still taste like old tires, cause you to vomit, and probably have diarrhea.
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 28, 2021, 11:51:45 AM
If acid damage and fire damage can keep a troll from regenerating so they actually die, I'd say the fire from cooking troll meat, and the acid from your stomach would keep it from regenerating as well, but it would still taste like old tires, cause you to vomit, and probably have diarrhea.
IIRC and don't quote me on this, but... You need to burn it to ashes for it not to regenerate.
As for the taste, yes, predator meat doesn't taste good by any stretch of the imagination, much worst it's the taste of carrion eaters.
Still in an extreme urgency it is a source of protein, very lean and foul tasting protein. As you don't want to eat onlky that for any long period of time or you risk Rabbit Starvation (see above).
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 28, 2021, 08:09:43 AM
Michael Z. Williamson had a pretty good writeup of the challenges of eating, how shall we say, in a less advanced setting. He did some solid research for one of his novels, A Long Time Until Now, and posted commentary at this link: https://www.baen.com/stoneage (warning, the font is fucking TINY at least for my screen; you may need to resize it).
After experimenting with this diet, his comment was:
"After a week of this diet, I was ready to kill someone for some french fries or a peanut butter sandwich."
Yep, fat is essential. Salt, too. A dungeon diet would probably need to include stone wall scrapings, blood, and organ meat to get minerals and salt.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 28, 2021, 12:08:56 PM
As for the taste, yes, predator meat doesn't taste good by any stretch of the imagination, much worst it's the taste of carrion eaters.
This is so true. Bobcat is delicious but opossum, unless you're starving, there is no way to make this palatable. I'll never try that shit again if at all possible. Racoon can be doctored-up, bear is fine as is. All about that diet. One way to stave off rabbit starvation, gotta eat the eyes, heart, liver, lungs, kidneys which turns a lot of people off. But if you're trapped in the dungeon.....
Quote from: Mind Crime on October 28, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 28, 2021, 12:08:56 PM
As for the taste, yes, predator meat doesn't taste good by any stretch of the imagination, much worst it's the taste of carrion eaters.
This is so true. Bobcat is delicious but opossum, unless you're starving, there is no way to make this palatable. I'll never try that shit again if at all possible. Racoon can be doctored-up, bear is fine as is. All about that diet. One way to stave off rabbit starvation, gotta eat the eyes, heart, liver, lungs, kidneys which turns a lot of people off. But if you're trapped in the dungeon.....
But would your adventurers even know about rabbit starvation? Or do they use to eat all the animal when at home?
I know for a fact that in antiquity some cultures had a taboo about eating certain parts of the animal and others believed some parts to be magical.
Hunters eating the liver of the bear in the spot was a thing and such a meat was considered a prize for the hunter, a reward for his work/valor.
The Dragon column 'Ecology of the Aurumvorax' (issue #132) points out another fun issue: not every critter is edible, period.
The aurumvorax, for example, has a great deal of heavy metals impregnated into its meat and eating it will give you a possibly lethal case of metal poisoning (per the article, save vs poison 1d4 turns after the meal; success means you're only incapacitated in agony, as if by a symbol of pain, for 2d4 hour, while failure means you go into a coma and die 10d6 rounds later).
Incinerating the meat, on the other hand, can yield up to 151-250 lbs of gold and other trace elements, and of course the pelt is, if properly removed and cured, gorgeous (the process takes 4000-5000 gp, but yields a garment worth 15,000 gp or more).
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 28, 2021, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: Mind Crime on October 28, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 28, 2021, 12:08:56 PM
As for the taste, yes, predator meat doesn't taste good by any stretch of the imagination, much worst it's the taste of carrion eaters.
This is so true. Bobcat is delicious but opossum, unless you're starving, there is no way to make this palatable. I'll never try that shit again if at all possible. Racoon can be doctored-up, bear is fine as is. All about that diet. One way to stave off rabbit starvation, gotta eat the eyes, heart, liver, lungs, kidneys which turns a lot of people off. But if you're trapped in the dungeon.....
But would your adventurers even know about rabbit starvation? Or do they use to eat all the animal when at home?
I know for a fact that in antiquity some cultures had a taboo about eating certain parts of the animal and others believed some parts to be magical.
Hunters eating the liver of the bear in the spot was a thing and such a meat was considered a prize for the hunter, a reward for his work/valor.
I'd say they would know about it even if they didn't understand the particulars. Primitive peoples figured it out. But I guess it would make a difference what particular class the adventurers came from. Seems peasants would be more likely to eat the offal, especially if it's prepared in a way that doesn't hide what it is or what it naturally tastes like.
"Dude, it's not a pig, it's a pig-faced orc"
"Close enough. <battlecry> SOUP'S ON MOTHER FUCKER"
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 28, 2021, 01:23:44 PM
The Dragon column 'Ecology of the Aurumvorax' (issue #132) points out another fun issue: not every critter is edible, period.
The aurumvorax, for example, has a great deal of heavy metals impregnated into its meat and eating it will give you a possibly lethal case of metal poisoning (per the article, save vs poison 1d4 turns after the meal; success means you're only incapacitated in agony, as if by a symbol of pain, for 2d4 hour, while failure means you go into a coma and die 10d6 rounds later).
Incinerating the meat, on the other hand, can yield up to 151-250 lbs of gold and other trace elements, and of course the pelt is, if properly removed and cured, gorgeous (the process takes 4000-5000 gp, but yields a garment worth 15,000 gp or more).
Yep, I don't know why everybody fixated on the eating part, pelts/skins/feathers, horns, claws, etc could be how you get treasure out of the beast not it shitting a lot of gp when killed. Makes it harder to get those XP but IMHO it could also make it more creative for the players as to their acctions.
If you know that burning beast X makes the valuable pelt not worth a cent then you might try and find other ways of killing it.
Quote from: Mind Crime on October 28, 2021, 01:35:02 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 28, 2021, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: Mind Crime on October 28, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 28, 2021, 12:08:56 PM
As for the taste, yes, predator meat doesn't taste good by any stretch of the imagination, much worst it's the taste of carrion eaters.
This is so true. Bobcat is delicious but opossum, unless you're starving, there is no way to make this palatable. I'll never try that shit again if at all possible. Racoon can be doctored-up, bear is fine as is. All about that diet. One way to stave off rabbit starvation, gotta eat the eyes, heart, liver, lungs, kidneys which turns a lot of people off. But if you're trapped in the dungeon.....
But would your adventurers even know about rabbit starvation? Or do they use to eat all the animal when at home?
I know for a fact that in antiquity some cultures had a taboo about eating certain parts of the animal and others believed some parts to be magical.
Hunters eating the liver of the bear in the spot was a thing and such a meat was considered a prize for the hunter, a reward for his work/valor.
I'd say they would know about it even if they didn't understand the particulars. Primitive peoples figured it out. But I guess it would make a difference what particular class the adventurers came from. Seems peasants would be more likely to eat the offal, especially if it's prepared in a way that doesn't hide what it is or what it naturally tastes like.
"Dude, it's not a pig, it's a pig-faced orc"
"Close enough. <battlecry> SOUP'S ON MOTHER FUCKER"
True.
Also ROTFLMAO!
Suddenly the yell of 'looks like meat's back on the menu, boys' is a lot more amusing.
QuoteThe aurumvorax, for example, has a great deal of heavy metals impregnated into its meat and eating it will give you a possibly lethal case of metal poisoning (per the article, save vs poison 1d4 turns after the meal; success means you're only incapacitated in agony, as if by a symbol of pain, for 2d4 hour, while failure means you go into a coma and die 10d6 rounds later).
That's way too little rounds for metal poisoning.