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Title: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: blackstone on February 28, 2025, 12:50:36 PM
Just saw on Reddit r/OSR, that EGG Jr has passed away. Went to his Facebook page, and it appears that is the case.

Here's from Enworld:

https://www.enworld.org/threads/ernie-gygax-has-passed-away.712080/

WARNING: DO NOT go to r/OSR.

The woke mob is celebrating his death there. Calling him a bigot and a racist, about some class action law suit against him and WoTC. Something to do with TSR Inc.'s version of Star Frontiers. I don't know.

I immediately unfollowed the group.

EGG Jr was credited in the Rouges' Gallery of having three characters in the original Greyhawk campaign: Tenser, Erac's Cousin, and Serten.

may you rest in peace. Say hello for us to your dad. He's got a chair waiting at the game table for you, my friend.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: blackstone on February 28, 2025, 01:22:25 PM
In his memory, I present to you the Castle Greyhawk online comic, which chronicles the adventures of the original Greyhawk Campaign.

Castle Greyhawk (https://castlegreyhawk.blogspot.com/)

Enjoy.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: jhkim on February 28, 2025, 02:06:13 PM
From the ENWorld thread, this is a public posting from Luke Gygax.

QuoteLast night I got the call I was dreading. Come to Madison as quickly as you can, Ernie doesn't have long. I hastily packed a bag, bought a one way ticket on a red eye flight to Ohare and arranged for a rental car before driving myself to LAX. I landed at 0455 and made it into my rental car about 0545. It was a long drive to Madison and there were no updates on Ernie's health, so I was optimistic. Hell, we had talked on Wednesday night for a good half hour. Ernie sounded good and his mind was sharp. He has always made his savings throw before when the medical staff predicted dire outcomes.

I made it to the edge of Madison before needing to make a pitstop to get water and something to eat. I was 24 minutes away when Heidi called and in a shaky, tearful voice told me Ernie had passed away. I was thunderstruck. As much as I had prepared myself for this news, I wasn't ready. I made it to the hospital where a very kind volunteer escorted me to Ernie's room where Donna, Elise and Bill sat somberly. After hugs and greetings we started sharing stories about Ernie and laughing at some of them. Ernie loved to laugh and entertain people, and he was very good at it. Shelby, the young chaplain, said that he was a special person as so many of the critical care nurses asked after him and many said he was the nicest patient they ever had. That was shortly before Shelby recited a beautiful poem and prayed with us around Ernie. I am glad I was able to see him one last time and thankful for the phone call Wednesday. I didn't know that would be the last time I ever spoke to my brother.

What a life he led. Ernie played in the very first game of Dungeons & Dragons ever, along with our sister Elise. As we all know, Dad was an avid gamer- from miniatures,cards and board games to RPGs; and Ernie emulated that love of gaming and camaraderie from childhood. I remember him telling the story of how he cut his teeth on D-Day- literally. He was a toddler and kneaded on the chits to smooth his gums much to my Dad's dismay. Ernie play tested D&D, created iconic characters like Serten and Tenser, adventured through Castle Greyhawk, tested out Metamorphosis Alpha, was the first manager of the Dungeon Hobby Shop- where he created his beloved Hobby Shop Dungeon, where I played my first magic-user, Zorko. Eventually he worked on the D&D cartoon for D&D Entertainment Corp out in Hollywood.

Ernie was also a good big brother, most of the time... He took me to see Star Wars in the theater when it first came out, he read books to me when I was too young to read well- Jack Vance's Planet of Adventure was so cool! And he let me play D&D with him and the other older kids- like Neil Christiansen, and probably Jeff Leason and Tim Jardini amongst others. When I was in high school he would let me hang out at his place and drink a beer sometimes which gave me some cool points with my buddies. (If my daughters are reading this, it was a very poor decision and I am lucky I didn't get myself in any serious trouble- I am glad you are much wiser young people). And of course we would play games- whether it was something like Snit Smashing or other fun Tom Wham games or AD&D.

Ernie loved AD&D and exclusively DMed it for most of his life. I remember how he roped me into DMing the weekly game at the Game Guild in the early 1990's. Margaret Weis wanted him to run the 'new" version of D&D- 3.0. Ernie was running the Hobby Shop Dungeon and definitely wasn't learning 3rd edition or converting his dungeon. So we decided to create a new adventure campaign that I would DM, and thus Gaxmoor was born! I DMed for as many as 22 players at times. It's hard to imagine that several of those lads are now parents who bring their kids to Gary Con.

I think that speaks a lot about Ernie and his character. He always made time for young gamers and encouraged them. He treated them as gamers who could figure out a way through the challenges and he didn't pull any punches. Likely the first time these young people had a chance to interact on equal footing with adults (or older teens anyways). Those young folks loved the game and would come and talk and game with Ernie often. He kept that open and friendly demeanor all through his life. For three last several years he has relished hosting groups of gamers in his home where he ran epic 6,8, and 10 hour adventures!

Outside of gaming, Ernie led an interesting life to say the least. He shared much about that with friends in person and on social media. He embraced his gamer nickname, Ernie the Barbarian, literally. He would never do anything by half measures- if he was doing it then it was 200%. This presented many difficulties with alcohol and other substances. He was searching for something that always seemed to be out of reach and despite his jovial manner in most settings, there was something missing. That special something for Ernie was Donna. I remember how he spoke of her 7 or so years ago when they first met, and how it motivated him to be a stronger, better person. He decided to stop drinking alcohol entirely. He battled and beat cancer. And he soldiered on through numerous health problems with her love and support. For the last 18 months or more, the doctors stated he had days or weeks to live, but he defied those predictions. The happiest I ever saw him was at his wedding last year. He was beaming with joy, as was Donna. Ernie finally found exactly what he had been searching for all his life. And I am happy that they got to share the time they had together.

Ernie was a good man, an authentic personality and someone who lived to share high adventure with other like minded people. I know he is shaking dice with Jim Ward and Dad now. I love you brother.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Man at Arms on February 28, 2025, 02:21:05 PM
Sad to hear of his demise.  Farewell to a long time gamer.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 28, 2025, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: blackstone on February 28, 2025, 12:50:36 PMJust saw on Reddit r/OSR, that EGG Jr has passed away. Went to his Facebook page, and it appears that is the case.

Here's from Enworld:

https://www.enworld.org/threads/ernie-gygax-has-passed-away.712080/

WARNING: DO NOT go to r/OSR.

The woke mob is celebrating his death there. Calling him a bigot and a racist, about some class action law suit against him and WoTC. Something to do with TSR Inc.'s version of Star Frontiers. I don't know.


Because of course they are.

RIP Ernie.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Lord Hobie on February 28, 2025, 03:37:00 PM
Allow me to preemptively write a collective obituary for the members of r/OSR:

None of these subhuman turds have done a goddamned thing of note, and never will. RIP
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: D-ko on February 28, 2025, 04:31:15 PM
Wow. A lot of strange and sad deaths in the news recently. Hasbro dropped the ball on TSR and then cried wolf.

Quote2004 - Hasbro and Wizards of the Coast decides to not renew the trademark for TSR since they are no longer using the branding. The trademark elapses.

2011 - Jayson Elliot notices the trademark has elapsed and decides to pick up the trademark and establish his own company TSR Games (2.0).

Jayson Elliot has his roots in the magazine industry working on goth and underground music reviews in the 90s. He is a self-professed gamer and later spoke that he picked up the TSR name as a way to pay homage to Dragon Magazine.

2012 - Ernie Gygax, Luke Gygax, and with other D&D contributors join TSR Games (2.0) and launch Gygax Magazine.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Thornhammer on February 28, 2025, 04:58:22 PM
Quote from: Lord Hobie on February 28, 2025, 03:37:00 PMAllow me to preemptively write a collective obituary for the members of r/OSR:

None of these subhuman turds have done a goddamned thing of note, and never will. RIP

They knew, deep in their hearts, that they were - each and every one of them - without sin, and could therefore cast the first stone without a care in the world for the consequences.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: honeydipperdavid on February 28, 2025, 05:24:58 PM
At lest D&D Beyond is getting better, from a Moderator of their forums:

QuoteThe man who created the wizard Tenser. Condolences to his family and friends.

And a general reminder: whatever your opinions on the man are, his contributions to D&D are worthy of recognition. Comments that are a violation of the forum rules will be removed and moderated accordingly.

A year ago the mod's would let them call him a white supremacist Nazi, now its clean on the forum.  They are showing respect to the man.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: SHARK on February 28, 2025, 06:17:38 PM
Greetings!

May he rest in peace.

His journey in this life is now over.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Kanyenya on February 28, 2025, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 28, 2025, 05:24:58 PMA year ago the mod's would let them call him a white supremacist Nazi, now its clean on the forum.  They are showing respect to the man.

Yeah, I saw a comment on a thread there where a self-professed Jewish trans dude was tearing him down and celebrating his death. Less than a minute later it was gone, so kudos to DNDB.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: BadApple on February 28, 2025, 06:22:50 PM
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Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Cathode Ray on February 28, 2025, 06:34:13 PM
I just saw a post about this on the Legion of Myth Discord.  I'm keeping him and his family in my prayers.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Zelen on March 01, 2025, 09:22:49 AM
Quote from: Kanyenya on February 28, 2025, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 28, 2025, 05:24:58 PMA year ago the mod's would let them call him a white supremacist Nazi, now its clean on the forum.  They are showing respect to the man.

Yeah, I saw a comment on a thread there where a self-professed Jewish trans dude was tearing him down and celebrating his death. Less than a minute later it was gone, so kudos to DNDB.

Reddit's positive behavior is more to do with the way the winds are blowing (https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2025/02/federal-trade-commission-launches-inquiry-tech-censorship). Although to be fair, it's all-around positive when the worst elements are out of the public eye, regardless of the motivations.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on March 01, 2025, 09:41:07 AM
Trying to snatch up the trademark while Hasbro still owned the copyright was a bad idea. Blame Mickey Mouse for that. Intellectual property law is a farce.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on March 01, 2025, 10:43:57 AM
yeah r/osr being r/osr...the freedom loving...oh wait the topic/creator banning forum of love.

The good news is that Ernie is again rolling the dice with dad. So that's a good thing.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Omega on March 01, 2025, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: blackstone on February 28, 2025, 12:50:36 PMThe woke mob is celebrating his death there. Calling him a bigot and a racist, about some class action law suit against him and WoTC. Something to do with TSR Inc.'s version of Star Frontiers. I don't know.

I immediately unfollowed the group.

Again?

What they are, again, twisting out of shape is that the new TSR hired some fruitcake to make something called Star Frontiers but the reality was it was not and the designer let slip all manner of racist elements that have no place in any RPG.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Hague on March 01, 2025, 03:36:43 PM
Quote from: Lord Hobie on February 28, 2025, 03:37:00 PMAllow me to preemptively write a collective obituary for the members of r/OSR:

None of these subhuman turds have done a goddamned thing of note, and never will. RIP

Still more words than they deserve.

You, good sir, are a poet. A true wordsmith. Don't ever stop.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: D-ko on March 01, 2025, 04:43:06 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 01, 2025, 09:41:07 AMTrying to snatch up the trademark while Hasbro still owned the copyright was a bad idea. Blame Mickey Mouse for that. Intellectual property law is a farce.

It's funny-- Mattel dropped the Mighty Max trademark, some Korean guy snatched it up and started producing sets on his own. Suddenly Mattel fought back and now we have whatever these are. https://creations.mattel.com/products/mighty-max-muscle-four-figure-set-jdw21 If there's one thing trademarking is good at, it's inciting weird misunderstandings that keep franchises artificially relevant so-as to keep the trademark.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Nobleshield on March 01, 2025, 07:37:04 PM
Quote from: Omega on March 01, 2025, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: blackstone on February 28, 2025, 12:50:36 PMThe woke mob is celebrating his death there. Calling him a bigot and a racist, about some class action law suit against him and WoTC. Something to do with TSR Inc.'s version of Star Frontiers. I don't know.

I immediately unfollowed the group.

Again?

What they are, again, twisting out of shape is that the new TSR hired some fruitcake to make something called Star Frontiers but the reality was it was not and the designer let slip all manner of racist elements that have no place in any RPG.

But if you mention that, you get banned for "misinformation" or "celebrating a racist" because of course someone online said it was true, so it must be true.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: The Spaniard on March 01, 2025, 07:55:52 PM
RIP Ernie.  I also unfollowed that subreddit.  It's amazing the number of losers that feel emboldened behind a computer screen.  They just love to jerk each other off celebrating their righteousness.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Nobleshield on March 01, 2025, 08:05:04 PM
Quote from: The Spaniard on March 01, 2025, 07:55:52 PMRIP Ernie.  I also unfollowed that subreddit.  It's amazing the number of losers that feel emboldened behind a computer screen.  They just love to jerk each other off celebrating their righteousness.
It's just another compromised left-wing infested subreddit where tourists pretend to be real fans and shit on the legacy because it's not in agreement with their political views.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Witch Hunter Siegfried on March 01, 2025, 08:33:44 PM
Quote from: blackstone on February 28, 2025, 12:50:36 PMJust saw on Reddit r/OSR, that EGG Jr has passed away. Went to his Facebook page, and it appears that is the case.

Here's from Enworld:

https://www.enworld.org/threads/ernie-gygax-has-passed-away.712080/

WARNING: DO NOT go to r/OSR.

The woke mob is celebrating his death there. Calling him a bigot and a racist, about some class action law suit against him and WoTC. Something to do with TSR Inc.'s version of Star Frontiers. I don't know.

I immediately unfollowed the group.

EGG Jr was credited in the Rouges' Gallery of having three characters in the original Greyhawk campaign: Tenser, Erac's Cousin, and Serten.

may you rest in peace. Say hello for us to your dad. He's got a chair waiting at the game table for you, my friend.

First heard the news when I popped my head in on that other RPG site (on the hunt for missing rules for an old 3.5 hack so need to try every lead), and while they weren't celebrating persay they had to mention he was a heckin' bigot before the condolences
(https://i.poastcdn.org/0b/06/48/0b0648fa23a189e11242c04f1bbf6317bdabd2834ec9949df73eae827944f094.png)
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Insane Nerd Ramblings on March 01, 2025, 08:37:24 PM
I saw that crap on the r/OSR subreddit where I had been a member for years. I left after I saw the screed being posted. These halfwits are ghouls. Literally subhuman scum.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Nobleshield on March 01, 2025, 08:37:43 PM
The rpg subreddit also jumped on to slander him, same talking points, anyone saying the guy just passed show respect is downvoted and replies saying it's okay to slander him because he was a "racist", and so on and so forth. Mod locked the thread, as  usual a well. So again, reddit is a complete cesspit.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Omega on March 01, 2025, 08:40:40 PM
Quote from: D-ko on March 01, 2025, 04:43:06 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 01, 2025, 09:41:07 AMTrying to snatch up the trademark while Hasbro still owned the copyright was a bad idea. Blame Mickey Mouse for that. Intellectual property law is a farce.

It's funny-- Mattel dropped the Mighty Max trademark, some Korean guy snatched it up and started producing sets on his own. Suddenly Mattel fought back and now we have whatever these are. https://creations.mattel.com/products/mighty-max-muscle-four-figure-set-jdw21 If there's one thing trademarking is good at, it's inciting weird misunderstandings that keep franchises artificially relevant so-as to keep the trademark.

SJG had abandoned Ogre for over a decade and then someone makes a version with new art and SJG comes out of the woodwork to threaten them and have it all taken down. Then by sheer coincidence they announce a brand new Ogre game!

Someone else was looking into the Netrunner CCG that wotc did everything they could to bury, even burning product rather than selling it. And all of a sudden wotc is making deals with FFG for a new Netrunner.

Happens alot.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: D-ko on March 01, 2025, 08:54:18 PM
One PnP version of Ogre (and Wiz War in the same fashion) was put together by game artist Kwanchai Moriya and really nicely done, too. I printed out the entire Wiz War one onto light cardstock, sliced it, and everything. Then, a couple years later Jackson did an official Kickstarter after years of people assuming the game had been forgotten. The art was so flamboyant and strange that I just stuck to my PnP version. From Moriya regarding Ogre:

QuoteI understand that a company needs to protect its copyright. And, as an illustrator, I definitely understand wanting to protect your intellectual property. Yes, I violated copyrights across the board by posting the rules along with my redesign. Yes, I was wrong. But the only reason I made the redesign is because I wanted to revive a game which I understood to be out-of-print (or perpetually "soon-to-be-printed"). I meant to revive it; not pirate, or steal, or weaken, etc.

Of course I don't understand the vast legalities in play, but it does feel a bit like being stomped on. And I think for those handful of people who played Ogre for the first time with my redesign, that feeling is echoed.

I was thinking, BGG, in the big scheme of things, is a relatively niche internet community. The Ogre fan community is another smaller niche within that. And then PNP'ers are an even smaller niche within that. Then add the fact that most PNP'ers have more PNP games existing as PDF's on their desktop than as actual physical games (i.e. myself). And you have a very small, very specific community which has actually played the Ogre redesign. And when a community is that specific, it usually means that it is 100% fans. Only a real fan is going to spend a bucketful of cash, a few bloody cuts, and a really sore hand for a PNP game. It feels frustrating because we are all fans here.

"...our actions were guided primarily by trademark law," says Steve Jackson Games. Okay, I understand. But then questions still linger. Why don't other, bigger board games publishers (who often post their rules to BGG) request removal of redesigns of their games? Has SJG really lost sales because of the redesign? Has SJG's Ogre trademark really been "weakened"? Could things have been resolved differently?

I won't be reposting a stripped down version of the redesign to BGG, since a new edition seems to be on its way. And, by the way, I'm definitely buying a copy when it does come out, since I believe the game to be absolutely brilliant and SJG deserves money for their game. If you were able to download a copy of the redesign before it got removed, and you cooked one up and like it, please upload pictures of them! It's really rewarding to see proof that my little project has been recreated elsewhere in the world.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Neoplatonist1 on March 01, 2025, 10:35:24 PM
I don't know much about E. Gary Gygax, but if he's an RPG celebrity and tarred as a racist, etc. by the usual suspects, I must pay my respects.

God bless, Mr. Gygax.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Omega on March 02, 2025, 04:52:57 AM
Quote from: D-ko on March 01, 2025, 08:54:18 PMThen, a couple years later Jackson did an official Kickstarter after years

Not sure on the timeline now as its been like 15 years? But they had the "new" ogre out within I think a year, maybe 2.

On top of everything else they were also threatening to have Kwanchai blacklisted in the industry and worse.

Then you have the freakish reversal of HeroQuest 25. Where Hasbro did nothing with the game because it was tangled up in a legal mess of IP. GameZone in Madrid tries to make their own version and steps on the toes of the old Runequest designers whome MP ganked the HeroQuest title from. HQ25 funds to something like 250k think and then proceeds to stall for nearly a decade. Hasbro apparently saw this and got motivated enough to untangle the gordian knot and put out their own overpriced re-vamp of the original.

As said theres a bunch of these. Some mundane like Netrunner, some bad like Ogre, and some weird like HQ25 just to name a few.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Darrin Kelley on March 02, 2025, 05:15:39 AM
Condolences to his family. Losing a loved one is never easy.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: HappyDaze on March 02, 2025, 09:30:55 AM
Quote from: The Spaniard on March 01, 2025, 07:55:52 PMThey just love to jerk each other off celebrating their righteousness.
It's a good thing the posters here don't do the same...well, at least not for "righteousness" by any sane definition.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: SmallMountaineer on March 02, 2025, 10:14:22 AM
Very unfortunate. I hope he conquered all his demons before the end.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Venka on March 03, 2025, 12:56:38 AM
I went around reddit and saw their threads in their different little subforums.  It's really really awful there, much worse than I would have guessed.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Nobleshield on March 03, 2025, 08:52:49 AM
Quote from: Venka on March 03, 2025, 12:56:38 AMI went around reddit and saw their threads in their different little subforums.  It's really really awful there, much worse than I would have guessed.
The very worst is the shithead mods locking them, so people can't correct the story so any normie who runs across it later will see all the misinformation and think "Wow this guy was a racist"
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Banjo Destructo on March 03, 2025, 12:06:52 PM
If you want to see some change on reddit, report the posts of the jerks on r/osr and r/rpg and make the mods live up to their own standards/rules, they have "no harassment" rules, flag the posters for their harassment.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: KindaMeh on March 03, 2025, 02:14:04 PM
This guy was Tenser, correct? May he rest in peace. Some of my favorite spells came from him.


Also, to clarify, if I understand this correctly, a rogue member of his company wrote the really bad Star Frontiers thing with a literal Negro race that had low intelligence and the Nordic race that was superior in all mechanical ways? Like, had heard he wasn't actually involved in that, beyond the actions of a secret neo-nazi having destroyed his reputation unfairly right?

Leave it to Reddit not to actually look into things if so.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Omega on March 03, 2025, 05:01:54 PM
Quote from: KindaMeh on March 03, 2025, 02:14:04 PMAlso, to clarify, if I understand this correctly, a rogue member of his company wrote the really bad Star Frontiers thing with a literal Negro race that had low intelligence and the Nordic race that was superior in all mechanical ways? Like, had heard he wasn't actually involved in that, beyond the actions of a secret neo-nazi having destroyed his reputation unfairly right?

Far as can tell no one at nTSR was aware of it till the creep started posting snippets.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: shoplifter on March 03, 2025, 08:35:46 PM
Quote from: Omega on March 03, 2025, 05:01:54 PMFar as can tell no one at nTSR was aware of it till the creep started posting snippets.

That was my understanding as well. Could be wrong, but that's how I remember it being explained at the time.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: jeff37923 on March 03, 2025, 08:47:20 PM
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on March 03, 2025, 12:06:52 PMIf you want to see some change on reddit, report the posts of the jerks on r/osr and r/rpg and make the mods live up to their own standards/rules, they have "no harassment" rules, flag the posters for their harassment.

That may not necessarily work. I've done that on another subreddit and after two reports about a bunch of protest march calls to action spammed the local subreddit, got dinged for "abuse of the reporting function".
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: jhkim on March 03, 2025, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: Omega on March 03, 2025, 05:01:54 PM
Quote from: KindaMeh on March 03, 2025, 02:14:04 PMAlso, to clarify, if I understand this correctly, a rogue member of his company wrote the really bad Star Frontiers thing with a literal Negro race that had low intelligence and the Nordic race that was superior in all mechanical ways? Like, had heard he wasn't actually involved in that, beyond the actions of a secret neo-nazi having destroyed his reputation unfairly right?

Far as can tell no one at nTSR was aware of it till the creep started posting snippets.
Quote from: shoplifter on March 03, 2025, 08:35:46 PMThat was my understanding as well. Could be wrong, but that's how I remember it being explained at the time.

Can we try to stick to verified information? What I know is from Tenkar's video looking over the lengthy PDF, which was credited as written by Dave Johnson and Justin LaNasa. The manuscript was supposedly the "TSR CON edition printing", and it includes a dedication from Ernest entitled "In humble honor and respect to the teachings of the highest-level Game Master of the 20th Century. My father, E. Gary Gygax".

Tenkar is credited with breaking the story with the PDF. Here's his video on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD9evesvAos

Now, just because that Ernest's dedication is in the manuscript doesn't mean that Ernest read the contents of the manuscript, but it is his dedication on the same manuscript as the racist material. I'd welcome other information on this if it has real sources.

The Star Frontiers manuscript is available as an appendix in the court filing for the WotC lawsuit.

https://openargs.com/wp-content/uploads/Rainwater-Affidavit.pdf
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: KindaMeh on March 03, 2025, 10:50:11 PM
I don't have Facebook, but a Yahoo News article apparently alleged via link that there was a Facebook post TSR put out where they claimed that was never in their book. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if that one dude somehow snuck it past them and in there.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/d-d-makers-escalate-lawsuit-003612223.html

Can somebody with Facebook find that link in the article and verify what was actually said?

Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Omega on March 03, 2025, 11:21:55 PM
Quote from: jhkim on March 03, 2025, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: Omega on March 03, 2025, 05:01:54 PM
Quote from: KindaMeh on March 03, 2025, 02:14:04 PMAlso, to clarify, if I understand this correctly, a rogue member of his company wrote the really bad Star Frontiers thing with a literal Negro race that had low intelligence and the Nordic race that was superior in all mechanical ways? Like, had heard he wasn't actually involved in that, beyond the actions of a secret neo-nazi having destroyed his reputation unfairly right?

Far as can tell no one at nTSR was aware of it till the creep started posting snippets.
Quote from: shoplifter on March 03, 2025, 08:35:46 PMThat was my understanding as well. Could be wrong, but that's how I remember it being explained at the time.

Can we try to stick to verified information? What I know is from Tenkar's video looking over the lengthy PDF, which was credited as written by Dave Johnson and Justin LaNasa. The manuscript was supposedly the "TSR CON edition printing", and it includes a dedication from Ernest entitled "In humble honor and respect to the teachings of the highest-level Game Master of the 20th Century. My father, E. Gary Gygax".

Tenkar is credited with breaking the story with the PDF. Here's his video on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD9evesvAos

Now, just because that Ernest's dedication is in the manuscript doesn't mean that Ernest read the contents of the manuscript, but it is his dedication on the same manuscript as the racist material. I'd welcome other information on this if it has real sources.

The Star Frontiers manuscript is available as an appendix in the court filing for the WotC lawsuit.

https://openargs.com/wp-content/uploads/Rainwater-Affidavit.pdf

Thank you captain contrarian.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: jhkim on March 03, 2025, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: KindaMeh on March 03, 2025, 10:50:11 PMI don't have Facebook, but a Yahoo News article apparently alleged via link that there was a Facebook post TSR put out where they claimed that was never in their book. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if that one dude somehow snuck it past them and in there.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/d-d-makers-escalate-lawsuit-003612223.html

Can somebody with Facebook find that link in the article and verify what was actually said?

I have Facebook, but the link is broken. However, searching for it, I turned up that Don Semora (of "Vlog of Many Things") has said that he was the one who leaked the Star Frontiers: New Genesis manuscript and that Ernie Gygax had nothing to with writing Star Frontier: New Genesis. 

https://www.youtube.com/live/8-CGHircSaA?si=c5je6jtV7vsSKRtl&t=712

According to Don, Ernie wrote that dedication for a previous attempted board game by LaNasa's TSR. Later, LaNasa and Dave Johnson wrote the Star Frontiers manuscript and cut and pasted Ernie's dedication into that new game.

So yes, Ernie wrote the dedication that appears in the racist manuscript. But no, it appears he wasn't involved in the writing of that manuscript.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: SHARK on March 04, 2025, 12:03:53 AM
Greetings!

You know, Tenkar seems like he is a cool dude.

I don't know what E. Gygax Jr. was doing with these other people at NuTSR, but damn. All of these assorted people involved with NuTSR, all of it, seem so scummy and terrible. A bunch of washed-up nobodies desperately grasping for some kind of limelight and a quick buck.

I've heard a few of them on podcasts or referenced in quotes and interviews, and so many of them are fighting with Blah-Blah over who owns what, who edited A, who "Really" came up with X, who really started Convention Bubblegum, and on and on and on.

Meanwhile, I don't own a fucking thing ever written by any of them. I've never met any of them at any game convention I have attended. As far as I am concerned, most of them seem very obscure and irrelevant. Beyond that, as I said, you have grown men usually in their 50's or older, fighting over fucking nothing. Absolute scraps of some hoped-for spotlight, or a few fucking grifting dollars. Or "Credit" and prestige of some kind. They all seem so pathetic.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Nobleshield on March 04, 2025, 08:27:51 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on March 03, 2025, 08:47:20 PM
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on March 03, 2025, 12:06:52 PMIf you want to see some change on reddit, report the posts of the jerks on r/osr and r/rpg and make the mods live up to their own standards/rules, they have "no harassment" rules, flag the posters for their harassment.

That may not necessarily work. I've done that on another subreddit and after two reports about a bunch of protest march calls to action spammed the local subreddit, got dinged for "abuse of the reporting function".
Most of reddit is controlled by a few powermods who mod like 1000+ subs, so they will absolutely defend their own. I've seen secondhand where they respond to someone reporting an obvious call to violence (three guesses against whom) and say basically this isn't a threat, if you keep reporting it you'll be reported to the admins for harassment.

Whole site is cooked and taken over by left-wing crazies.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Omega on March 04, 2025, 11:59:00 AM
Quote from: Nobleshield on March 04, 2025, 08:27:51 AMMost of reddit is controlled by a few powermods who mod like 1000+ subs, so they will absolutely defend their own. I've seen secondhand where they respond to someone reporting an obvious call to violence (three guesses against whom) and say basically this isn't a threat, if you keep reporting it you'll be reported to the admins for harassment.

Whole site is cooked and taken over by left-wing crazies.

Not the whole site. But the RPG section sure is heavily infested. Especially any D&D ones.
Others just have their own little pocket despots power tripping. Nothing new there. Thats been a problem since BBS and probably fanzines before that.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: kosmos1214 on March 04, 2025, 01:51:57 PM
Well I must say I am sorry to hear of his passing I hope his family is well.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Sacrificial Lamb on March 04, 2025, 01:55:56 PM
May he rest in peace.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Insane Nerd Ramblings on March 04, 2025, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: jhkim on March 03, 2025, 09:52:40 PMNow, just because that Ernest's dedication is in the manuscript doesn't mean that Ernest read the contents of the manuscript, but it is his dedication on the same manuscript as the racist material. I'd welcome other information on this if it has real sources.

According to the original breakdown by Tenkar, that dedication was something that was written years ago and has appeared in other products not associated with Justin LaNasa (let alone Dave Johnson). His latest video goes into it in depth and people should watch it because it's apparent what happened had nothing to do with Ernie.
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Jaeger on March 04, 2025, 11:06:53 PM
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Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Votan on March 07, 2025, 06:01:22 PM
It really does feel like a generation is passing. The giants of my youth are starting to move on and seek new worlds to explore. It's quite sad.

RIP
Title: Re: E. Gary Gygax Jr. passed away
Post by: Kuroth on March 08, 2025, 07:50:59 AM
Thank you Ernie.  Lord guide you on to the real next level.


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Level: 6
Range: 0
Duration: I round/level
Area of Effect: Personal
Components: V,S,M
Casting Time: 6 segments
Saving Throw: None

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