yeah r/osr being r/osr...the freedom loving...oh wait the topic/creator banning forum of love.

The good news is that Ernie is again rolling the dice with dad. So that's a good thing.

Quote from: blackstone on February 28, 2025, 12:50:36 PMThe woke mob is celebrating his death there. Calling him a bigot and a racist, about some class action law suit against him and WoTC. Something to do with TSR Inc.'s version of Star Frontiers. I don't know.

I immediately unfollowed the group.

Again?

What they are, again, twisting out of shape is that the new TSR hired some fruitcake to make something called Star Frontiers but the reality was it was not and the designer let slip all manner of racist elements that have no place in any RPG.

Quote from: Lord Hobie on February 28, 2025, 03:37:00 PMAllow me to preemptively write a collective obituary for the members of r/OSR:

None of these subhuman turds have done a goddamned thing of note, and never will. RIP

Still more words than they deserve.

You, good sir, are a poet. A true wordsmith. Don't ever stop.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 01, 2025, 09:41:07 AMTrying to snatch up the trademark while Hasbro still owned the copyright was a bad idea. Blame Mickey Mouse for that. Intellectual property law is a farce.

It's funny-- Mattel dropped the Mighty Max trademark, some Korean guy snatched it up and started producing sets on his own. Suddenly Mattel fought back and now we have whatever these are. https://creations.mattel.com/products/mighty-max-muscle-four-figure-set-jdw21 If there's one thing trademarking is good at, it's inciting weird misunderstandings that keep franchises artificially relevant so-as to keep the trademark.

Quote from: Omega on March 01, 2025, 01:02:49 PM

Quote from: blackstone on February 28, 2025, 12:50:36 PMThe woke mob is celebrating his death there. Calling him a bigot and a racist, about some class action law suit against him and WoTC. Something to do with TSR Inc.'s version of Star Frontiers. I don't know.

I immediately unfollowed the group.

Again?

What they are, again, twisting out of shape is that the new TSR hired some fruitcake to make something called Star Frontiers but the reality was it was not and the designer let slip all manner of racist elements that have no place in any RPG.

But if you mention that, you get banned for "misinformation" or "celebrating a racist" because of course someone online said it was true, so it must be true.

RIP Ernie.  I also unfollowed that subreddit.  It's amazing the number of losers that feel emboldened behind a computer screen.  They just love to jerk each other off celebrating their righteousness.

Quote from: The Spaniard on March 01, 2025, 07:55:52 PMRIP Ernie.  I also unfollowed that subreddit.  It's amazing the number of losers that feel emboldened behind a computer screen.  They just love to jerk each other off celebrating their righteousness.

It's just another compromised left-wing infested subreddit where tourists pretend to be real fans and shit on the legacy because it's not in agreement with their political views.

Quote from: blackstone on February 28, 2025, 12:50:36 PMJust saw on Reddit r/OSR, that EGG Jr has passed away. Went to his Facebook page, and it appears that is the case.

Here's from Enworld:

https://www.enworld.org/threads/ernie-gygax-has-passed-away.712080/

WARNING: DO NOT go to r/OSR.

The woke mob is celebrating his death there. Calling him a bigot and a racist, about some class action law suit against him and WoTC. Something to do with TSR Inc.'s version of Star Frontiers. I don't know.

I immediately unfollowed the group.

EGG Jr was credited in the Rouges' Gallery of having three characters in the original Greyhawk campaign: Tenser, Erac's Cousin, and Serten.

may you rest in peace. Say hello for us to your dad. He's got a chair waiting at the game table for you, my friend.

First heard the news when I popped my head in on that other RPG site (on the hunt for missing rules for an old 3.5 hack so need to try every lead), and while they weren't celebrating persay they had to mention he was a heckin' bigot before the condolences

I saw that crap on the r/OSR subreddit where I had been a member for years. I left after I saw the screed being posted. These halfwits are ghouls. Literally subhuman scum.

The rpg subreddit also jumped on to slander him, same talking points, anyone saying the guy just passed show respect is downvoted and replies saying it's okay to slander him because he was a "racist", and so on and so forth. Mod locked the thread, as  usual a well. So again, reddit is a complete cesspit.

Quote from: D-ko on March 01, 2025, 04:43:06 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 01, 2025, 09:41:07 AMTrying to snatch up the trademark while Hasbro still owned the copyright was a bad idea. Blame Mickey Mouse for that. Intellectual property law is a farce.

It's funny-- Mattel dropped the Mighty Max trademark, some Korean guy snatched it up and started producing sets on his own. Suddenly Mattel fought back and now we have whatever these are. https://creations.mattel.com/products/mighty-max-muscle-four-figure-set-jdw21 If there's one thing trademarking is good at, it's inciting weird misunderstandings that keep franchises artificially relevant so-as to keep the trademark.

SJG had abandoned Ogre for over a decade and then someone makes a version with new art and SJG comes out of the woodwork to threaten them and have it all taken down. Then by sheer coincidence they announce a brand new Ogre game!

Someone else was looking into the Netrunner CCG that wotc did everything they could to bury, even burning product rather than selling it. And all of a sudden wotc is making deals with FFG for a new Netrunner.

Happens alot.

One PnP version of Ogre (and Wiz War in the same fashion) was put together by game artist Kwanchai Moriya and really nicely done, too. I printed out the entire Wiz War one onto light cardstock, sliced it, and everything. Then, a couple years later Jackson did an official Kickstarter after years of people assuming the game had been forgotten. The art was so flamboyant and strange that I just stuck to my PnP version. From Moriya regarding Ogre:

QuoteI understand that a company needs to protect its copyright. And, as an illustrator, I definitely understand wanting to protect your intellectual property. Yes, I violated copyrights across the board by posting the rules along with my redesign. Yes, I was wrong. But the only reason I made the redesign is because I wanted to revive a game which I understood to be out-of-print (or perpetually "soon-to-be-printed"). I meant to revive it; not pirate, or steal, or weaken, etc.

Of course I don't understand the vast legalities in play, but it does feel a bit like being stomped on. And I think for those handful of people who played Ogre for the first time with my redesign, that feeling is echoed.

I was thinking, BGG, in the big scheme of things, is a relatively niche internet community. The Ogre fan community is another smaller niche within that. And then PNP'ers are an even smaller niche within that. Then add the fact that most PNP'ers have more PNP games existing as PDF's on their desktop than as actual physical games (i.e. myself). And you have a very small, very specific community which has actually played the Ogre redesign. And when a community is that specific, it usually means that it is 100% fans. Only a real fan is going to spend a bucketful of cash, a few bloody cuts, and a really sore hand for a PNP game. It feels frustrating because we are all fans here.

"...our actions were guided primarily by trademark law," says Steve Jackson Games. Okay, I understand. But then questions still linger. Why don't other, bigger board games publishers (who often post their rules to BGG) request removal of redesigns of their games? Has SJG really lost sales because of the redesign? Has SJG's Ogre trademark really been "weakened"? Could things have been resolved differently?

I won't be reposting a stripped down version of the redesign to BGG, since a new edition seems to be on its way. And, by the way, I'm definitely buying a copy when it does come out, since I believe the game to be absolutely brilliant and SJG deserves money for their game. If you were able to download a copy of the redesign before it got removed, and you cooked one up and like it, please upload pictures of them! It's really rewarding to see proof that my little project has been recreated elsewhere in the world.

I don't know much about E. Gary Gygax, but if he's an RPG celebrity and tarred as a racist, etc. by the usual suspects, I must pay my respects.

God bless, Mr. Gygax.

Quote from: D-ko on March 01, 2025, 08:54:18 PMThen, a couple years later Jackson did an official Kickstarter after years

Not sure on the timeline now as its been like 15 years? But they had the "new" ogre out within I think a year, maybe 2.

On top of everything else they were also threatening to have Kwanchai blacklisted in the industry and worse.

Then you have the freakish reversal of HeroQuest 25. Where Hasbro did nothing with the game because it was tangled up in a legal mess of IP. GameZone in Madrid tries to make their own version and steps on the toes of the old Runequest designers whome MP ganked the HeroQuest title from. HQ25 funds to something like 250k think and then proceeds to stall for nearly a decade. Hasbro apparently saw this and got motivated enough to untangle the gordian knot and put out their own overpriced re-vamp of the original.

As said theres a bunch of these. Some mundane like Netrunner, some bad like Ogre, and some weird like HQ25 just to name a few.

Condolences to his family. Losing a loved one is never easy.