Quote from: Opaopajr;1139454Well, I guess we all feel safer now. Anyone up for some OSR/TSR D&D? I am thinking of an acid metal sword & planet world, with a disco soundtrack (just for you, Doc Sammy-kins!).

YES!

Count me in.

There is hardly any point in signing that petition because, even if they retract it, they are still the same woke SJW company. They do not like you! You are a bigot (for objecting to Crawford and Mearls making D&D "more gay") and a racist (for continuing to allow yourself to be mired in the pre-5e cesspool of deplorableness)!

Any retraction would be insincere.

Forget WotC and spend your dollars elsewhere.

If there were a statue of Gary Gygax somewhere, they'd probably support tearing it down.

All new rpg products should come with bland pre-emptive aplogies and warnings to be ready for the next fashionable ideological shift in 10-20 years.

Quote from: Opaopajr;1139454Well, I guess we all feel safer now. Anyone up for some OSR/TSR D&D? I am thinking of an acid metal sword & planet world, with a disco soundtrack (just for you, Doc Sammy-kins!).

Hey man, I've chased you in like 4 threads now asking about this game. When are we playing?

I've never really had the desire to write an rpg, but lately I've been thinking that if I ever do, I absolutely will include a "diversity statement". It'll read:

"This game isn't here to pander to you or anyone else. We wrote it because we thought it was fun, and wanted to share it. If you feel that you need the text of a game to somehow take pains to make you feels safe, this game doesn't do that. No game, in truth, can do so. If you find something in this text you don't like or find offensive, your options are to ignore it and play on, or else to put the book away and never give it another look. While the offensive material was likely not intentional, we're not going to apologize to you or anyone else for it. So don't bother demanding one from us. Just be an adult and move along."

Quote from: 1989;1139377It should be clear that, from this point forward:

- nobody should be playing 5e with their existing books (as doing so communicates to others acceptance and support of WotC)
- nobody should give a dime to WotC (either print or PDF)

More that no one should be buying their new print runs where the books have been "fixed"
So anything over probably 12 is at risk now. 5 or 8 was I believe the last with any rules and typo fixes. Im not sure what run they are up to now. Probably 15 or so. We'll know pretty quick IF it happens.

Quote from: Shasarak;1139384Adding Trigger Warnings to products could be a genius move if you are an up and coming game producer by making your things seem more forbidden and therefore more attractive to buy.

For a milk toast multinational however you want everything to be as unoffensive as possible.

That could easily be what we are seeing as well. A marketing gag to drive sales. Create a scarcity panic. You can bet that it scared quite a few into buying that were on the fence before.

They've also put the disclaimer on Star Frontiers product pages.

I guess now the SATHAR represent poor oppressed blacks because they are stand ins for orcs who are stand ins for blacks! Oh and Yazirians are blacks too beccause they are space bats that might be space apes too and apes are stand-ins for blacks!

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1139508I've never really had the desire to write an rpg, but lately I've been thinking that if I ever do, I absolutely will include a "diversity statement". It'll read:

"This game isn't here to pander to you or anyone else. We wrote it because we thought it was fun, and wanted to share it. If you feel that you need the text of a game to somehow take pains to make you feels safe, this game doesn't do that. No game, in truth, can do so. If you find something in this text you don't like or find offensive, your options are to ignore it and play on, or else to put the book away and never give it another look. While the offensive material was likely not intentional, we're not going to apologize to you or anyone else for it. So don't bother demanding one from us. Just be an adult and move along."

I'd buy this just for the diversity statement......

Quote from: Omega;1139529They've also put the disclaimer on Star Frontiers product pages.

I guess now the SATHAR represent poor oppressed blacks because they are stand ins for orcs who are stand ins for blacks! Oh and Yazirians are blacks too beccause they are space bats that might be space apes too and apes are stand-ins for blacks!

I was hoping that you were joking, but nope. The disclaimer is there.....

Quote from: jeff37923;1139547I was hoping that you were joking, but nope. The disclaimer is there.....

Seems to be on EVERY TSR product - https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/16981/GAZ12-The-Golden-Khan-of-Ethengar-Basic
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/16979/GAZ7-The-Northern-Reaches-Basic?src=also_purchased
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/110198/Deities--Demigods-1e
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17009/Manual-of-the-Planes-1e?src=also_purchased
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/50012/Fiend-Folio-1e?src=also_purchased

and of course, but in the top spot,
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17334/Oriental-Adventures-1e?src=also_purchased

Not only TSR, but also:

3e era:

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/148008/Players-Handbook-35?src=hottest_filtered

4e era:

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/161671/Players-Handbook-4e

As I said, everything before 5e.

Holy blanket coverage on the extreme:  The before-times before the 'enlightenment'?!
That's just ridiculous.  I'm sure 5e will remain pure until 6e comes out and then they'll slap the sticker on 5e to direct sales towards their new product.
Such an obvious attempt at grovelling while trying to maintain a profit margin, it's kind of sad really.

So am I correct in thinking that if I were to buy a pod version of an old D&D book it'll be marred by this infuriating disclaimer?

Quote from: rocksfalleverybodydies;1139613Holy blanket coverage on the extreme:  The before-times before the 'enlightenment'?!
That's just ridiculous.  I'm sure 5e will remain pure until 6e comes out and then they'll slap the sticker on 5e to direct sales towards their new product.
Such an obvious attempt at grovelling while trying to maintain a profit margin, it's kind of sad really.

It's actually less bad that it's a blanket coverage.  (At least for now).

By covering absolutely everything they're not making any concessions that any particular work is "problematic".

If they'd just put this on Oriental Adventures it would be an implicit concession that it was racist.  This way there really isn't.  (Thought it's possible that may come).

(Though it really would have been hilarious if they had put this disclaimer on every single product except OA).