Dungeonpunk, and a pic I found today...

Settembrini · May 22, 2007, 11:20:08 AM

Yeah, this poser-thing bugs me, too.

The most breathtaking moments I had on conceptart.org.

"The landscape, it´s full of...adventure!

Nicephorus · May 22, 2007, 11:40:28 AM

Quote from: SosthenesI don't mind the realism or even the piercings, nor the unhistorical armor. What really bugs me is the lack of _scenes_. Most of the time it's just a character by itself or with a monster. No epic vistas, no decent battles.

Yea, the old line drawings enticed people to play and do stuff similar to the pictures. Simple portraits make it look like you're supposed to stand around and look pretty.

James J Skach · May 22, 2007, 11:44:59 AM

Standing around and looking pretty...not exactly playing to the strengths of gamers.

It's a joke, people....

Thanatos02 · May 22, 2007, 11:54:37 AM

It's kind of funny, because my homebrew setting is full of themes one could call dungeon-punk (if you kind of judge by cyber-punk), but the art I envision for it is largely classic fantasy.

And I don't mind dungeon-punk art. I've seen a little more of a movement towards drawing scenes lately, but nothing I could point at and say 'There!' springs to mind.

To be fair, I've got two distinct time eras of my setting in mind; the pre-revolution and the post-revolution period, so...

Pierce Inverarity · May 22, 2007, 12:19:03 PM

Quote from: SettembriniCulturally something as idiosyncratic as Dungeonpunk is something fresh and positive!

Ding, winner!

Even though it's not quite that marginal... what with Warhammer on one hand, Exalted on the other. It feels like some kind of hybrid of the two.

But people's looks is one of the things I actually like about 3E. Mind you, I also like Morgan Ironwolf. It's most of the 2E art, especially Easley, that bores me to tears.

Nicephorus · May 22, 2007, 12:26:01 PM

Quote from: James J SkachIt's a joke, people....

I laughed

kregmosier · May 22, 2007, 12:32:30 PM

it's all so much better than that damn Poser artwork....UGHHHH. i hate hate HATE that stuff. just use some old public domain woodblock prints, for christs sake.

I've always hoped for a return to art in the traditional style, in the traditional medium. (oil, preferably) call me jaded, but i can spot Photoshop fine-tuned stuff in a heartbeat, and it doesn't do much for me.

UmaSama · May 22, 2007, 12:44:02 PM

I think that what we have here is a generation clash, I mean and correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the ones that started playing D&D in the "old" days that prefer old style drawings over "dungeon-punk"? And the opposite applies for the D&D 3Ed generation?

Having said that, I love Dungeon-Punk, is not that I don't like old style, I just prefer the new stuff; also lately most of WotC products feature landscapes on their art.
Oh, and Dr your drawing is awesome.

Nicephorus · May 22, 2007, 12:48:18 PM

I'm an old gamer and I don't mind the dungeon punk, it's the lack of action. The majority of Elmore's stuff in 2e looked like people posing for a picture - but he was capable of nice action shots. This trend has gotten worse when you have just a single character in the picture and the artist is too fucking lazy to even draw a background. I think WOTC has come around a bit more recently.

RockViper · May 22, 2007, 01:38:57 PM

When I see Elmore and Parkinson, I think D&D. When I see some spiky dude with a sword too big to swing, I think of Warhammer, Exalted, or some other games that really don't interest me.

Sosthenes · May 22, 2007, 01:43:04 PM

Well, when I see Elmore, I think of hair spray and Flying V guitars

YMMV

Pierce Inverarity · May 22, 2007, 02:00:29 PM

The Parkinson Lankhmar cover has held up well IMHO, and Elmore had some good moments, but that nymph(?) in the 3E MM is the worst kind of old, or rather middle, school tackiness.

Abyssal Maw · May 22, 2007, 03:34:14 PM

Quote from: UmaSamaI think that what we have here is a generation clash, I mean and correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the ones that started playing D&D in the "old" days that prefer old style drawings over "dungeon-punk"? And the opposite applies for the D&D 3Ed generation?

Having said that, I love Dungeon-Punk, is not that I don't like old style, I just prefer the new stuff; also lately most of WotC products feature landscapes on their art.
Oh, and Dr your drawing is awesome.

I have been playing D&D since 1978, and I'm pro-Dungeonpunk!

Also a big fan of Erol Otus, though.

To me, there's a connection between the aesthetics.

jrients · May 22, 2007, 03:48:02 PM

Quote from: Abyssal MawI have been playing D&D since 1978, and I'm pro-Dungeonpunk!

Also a big fan of Erol Otus, though.

To me, there's a connection between the aesthetics.

I have trouble seeing any connection, apart from both having a general detachment from the utilitarian and realistic.

Sosthenes · May 22, 2007, 03:53:32 PM

Well, I don't know about the old illustrators... I think they mostly got what was available, as can be seen by the range of different illustrations. Later on you got the standard fantasy aesthetics, a bit more medieval than the novel covers of Frazetta et. al.

With 3E it's definitely a design decision. A new, aggressive art style to really show that you're doing something new here. Of course, full-color books really made some things possible that haven't been done before in this manner. That's why we see so many lone figures...

Both dungeonpunk and 3E show new influences from video games and anime for ex...