Quote from: The Traveller;683150No, you're ignorant for not being able to read. But don't let that stop you, chucklehead. Just because the fans aren't about to make bank from taking advantage of somone else's efforts doesn't absolve them from responsibility. And I've already said that the fans are the ones who should be held responsible. Go ahead, paddle back through the thread, it's right there.

You are a Grade-A moron. Do you think if you scream loud enough the meaning of the words you used will change?

Or are you just going to ignore the last time you said the "all I said was" where I pulled three quotes of you saying something completely different.

Do you really think any single person on here doesn't think you are a fucking moron? Yeah, there are a lot of people not commenting, but that has more to do with the culture of "if there is something I don't like, I can't possibly defend it even from stupid ass straight out bullshit claims" this site has than that people agree with you. (Its also incredibly likely that a lot of people have you on ignore, because you have a record of being a dumbass shit.)

Notice how not a single person has agreed with you? That is because your argument is monumentally and painfully dumb as shit, and encourages the stupid ass late TSR suehappy shit that no one wants to see back.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;682835I never said it was an old-school game; I said it's played in the same style as old school games.

When you use the word "style" here, what's your definition of that word?

If you mean something like "both of these games have elves", then... sure. Whatever. It's a pointless statement, but I guess factually accurate.

But if you mean anything to do with the mechanics of the game beyond "these are both RPGs", then Benoist is right: You have no idea what you're talking about.

Quote from: noisms;683018That's exactly my position. If the players can postulate something and have it exist when it didn't exist before...

OTOH, noisms and a bunch of other people in this thread also have no fucking idea what they're talking about.

Quote from: The Traveller;683085At least one individual who I assume is a part of the official DW team showed up to heartily endorse the effort, but in this case it would make more sense to sue the converters. Are you suggesting it would be wrong to do so, ethically or legally?

This, BTW, is the dumbest fucking conspiracy theory I have ever seen.

(1) See that this is the "Year of Shadowrun".

(2) Travel back in time to start developing the hack before Catalyst announces the "Year of Shadowrun".

(3) Establish fake identities so that it only looks like completely different people are responsible for the fan-hack (while, in reality, it's actually the developers of Dungeon World themselves).

(4) Release the "Sixth World" hack for Dungeon World and charge no money for it.

(5) Profit from all the people buying Dungeon World (which is also available for free) in order to play your fan-hack.

(6)

(7) PROFIT!

Quote from: Emperor Norton;683164You are a Grade-A moron. Do you think if you scream loud enough the meaning of the words you used will change?

Or are you just going to ignore the last time you said the "all I said was" where I pulled three quotes of you saying something completely different.

Do you really think any single person on here doesn't think you are a fucking moron? Yeah, there are a lot of people not commenting, but that has more to do with the culture of "if there is something I don't like, I can't possibly defend it even from stupid ass straight out bullshit claims" this site has than that people agree with you. (Its also incredibly likely that a lot of people have you on ignore, because you have a record of being a dumbass shit.)

Notice how not a single person has agreed with you? That is because your argument is monumentally and painfully dumb as shit, and encourages the stupid ass late TSR suehappy shit that no one wants to see back.

Ahahaha! Doesn't read thread, gets bitchslapped on account of same, launches into tirade of abuse.

It's like 1993 all over again.

Quote from: Ladybird;683159What, that settings have been ported to alternative systems before?

The response you made to the problem I pointed out is pretty much the textbook definition of 'strawman', and you're only digging yourself in deeper here.

Quote from: Ladybird;683159It's you that's making allegations of malice...

If I was in the SR team around the time of that conversion I'd be pretty pissed, so yes, malice. At least from their pespective.

To be honest I don't know who was the idiot from DW who weighed in to express joy at the effort but he needs his head examined.

Quote from: Ladybird;683159Er, yes? That's exactly what product release plans are for, to take advantage of market conditions?

You'd have to be stupid to launch a second-tier game like Shadowrun next year.

And good faith goes under entirely...

Quote from: Ladybird;683159Ah, so now you're changing the rules. It can't be a free copy of the rules because you might have to put the slightest form of effort into it? What, your keyboard lacking CTRL, C and V keys?

I would have a hard time making anything gameable out of that mess of a website. Assuming it is playable, the cross referencing was a joke after you hit races in classes.

Quote from: Ladybird;683159It means some people are going to think "Shadowrun, cool setting, crap system. What else can I use...".

They can think that all they like. They can even port it to another setting in the comfort of their own homes. I'm saying that I hope the pricks get sued into oblivion for releasing it in SR's flagship year. Don't like it? Not my problem.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;683166This, BTW, is the dumbest fucking conspiracy theory I have ever seen.

(1) See that this is the "Year of Shadowrun".

(2) Travel back in time to start developing the hack before Catalyst announces the "Year of Shadowrun".

(3) Establish fake identities so that it only looks like completely different people are responsible for the fan-hack (while, in reality, it's actually the developers of Dungeon World themselves).

(4) Release the "Sixth World" hack for Dungeon World and charge no money for it.

(5) Profit from all the people buying Dungeon World (which is also available for free) in order to play your fan-hack.

(6)

(7) PROFIT!

You must be the brains of the operation.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;683166OTOH, noisms and a bunch of other people in this thread also have no fucking idea what they're talking about.

Oh great, Justin Alexander, the most intelligent man in the world and the acknowledged gate-keeper of what is or isn't a role playing game is here to set us all straight.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;683166When you use the word "style" here, what's your definition of that word?

If you mean something like "both of these games have elves", then... sure. Whatever. It's a pointless statement, but I guess factually accurate.

But if you mean anything to do with the mechanics of the game beyond "these are both RPGs", then Benoist is right: You have no idea what you're talking about.

There's very little mechanical similarity between DW and old-school D&D.  Some of the stats are the same, but the actual die rolls involved are pretty radically different.

But in terms of "feel", I'm less concerned about the mechanics than the types of decisions that people are making, who's making them, etc.

Who's rolling the dice, or how many of them, is less important to me than the decisions that players are making and how they interact with the game.

And on those fronts, *to me*, DW plays a lot more like old-school D&D (1e or B/X) than anything else.  Or, to put it another way - if I were to run some old-school D&D game, and recorded the audio, and just removed anything relating to mechanics, I think it would sound a lot like if I did the same thing with DW.

YMMV, of course.

Quote from: Rincewind1;683093Plus, the whole smug attitude about "GMs playing by the rules as everyone else" and "Play as Written" that's been such a strong point of "Indie" RPGs...

I actually like "Play as Written."  I think it's more of a demand that the *game designers* make the game playable as written than anything else.  I've also found a lot of cool things in games by playing them *as written* before tweaking them.  Sometimes, something that doesn't make sense is just contrary to my expectations, and going with it for a while shows me how it fits together and makes sense.

Of course, sometimes it's just a crap rule.

That said, I don't think anyone should hesitate from tweaking a game to their liking.  Just be aware that it's a variant, like the Free Parking rule in Monopoly.

Quote from: Rincewind1;683093Those principles turn me off more than the sex for experience moves (which I find rather ridiculous), really.

Yeah.  Baker has a bug up his ass about sex in games, that's for sure.

Quote from: Rincewind1;683093Admittedly however, while I do somewhat like D&D, the peons sung for it by fans of various editions, are also causing me to sneer and roll my eyes, especially when the discussions reach the inevitable point of "Why anything else, when there's D&D". And same rule applies to AW and it's clones for me.

I find "One True System" to be weird.  I mean, I like steak, but I don't want to eat steak every day.  Different systems do different things, and give you different experiences.  That's cool.  Why would I want to only play one, ever?

Oh, mea fucking culpa. Now I've just helped derail another Dungeon World thread.

I'm done here, feel free to declare yourself victorious or whatever.

Quote from: Ladybird;683202Oh, mea fucking culpa. Now I've just helped derail another Dungeon World thread.

I'm done here, feel free to declare yourself victorious or whatever.

I think it's safe to say we all know it exists and where to get it by now.

Quote from: The Traveller;683179Ahahaha! Doesn't read thread, gets bitchslapped on account of same, launches into tirade of abuse.

If that was a bitchslap, it was the lamest excuse of a bitchslap I've ever seen. Oh no, the horror, one dude who can't even read his own posts apparently said I was ignorant.

Anyway, I'm out. Its not like anyone here thinks your conspiracy theory is in any way credible. Its fun to watch you flail around like an idiot, but I've got better things to do.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;683222If that was a bitchslap, it was the lamest excuse of a bitchslap I've ever seen. Oh no, the horror, one dude who can't even read his own posts apparently said I was ignorant.

Anyway, I'm out. Its not like anyone here thinks your conspiracy theory is in any way credible. Its fun to watch you flail around like an idiot, but I've got better things to do.

Good man, carry on.

Quote from: Rincewind1;683093Actually I will admit something - for me, the biggest turn off are the gaming hipsters who praised AW as the next coming of Homer. I actually played AW and it was a decent experience, though I could replicate the experience with a system I felt more comfortable and less abstract. Plus, the whole smug attitude about "GMs playing by the rules as everyone else" and "Play as Written" that's been such a strong point of "Indie" RPGs... Those principles turn me off more than the sex for experience moves (which I find rather ridiculous), really.

Admittedly however, while I do somewhat like D&D, the peons sung for it by fans of various editions, are also causing me to sneer and roll my eyes, especially when the discussions reach the inevitable point of "Why anything else, when there's D&D". And same rule applies to AW and it's clones for me.

Yeah, the hardcore storygamers are huge douchebags.  Seems like most of the Tumblrites over on RPG.net are big into that sort of thing, probably because the "old school" D&D dredges up memories of Ronald Reagan and being bullied at high school.  I'm normally against "hipster RPGs" and storygames, but damn if Dungeon World isn't a load of fun.  The GM my group played with was a storygamer, but we still had a load of fun.

Quote from: noisms;683107Nah, that's okay thanks. You're the one who made the claim that "it's played in the style of old school games". The burden of proof is entirely on you.

Uhh, okay.  Here's what happened in our game.  I was an elf fighter.  One of my compatriots was a rogue.  We were facing a door to the dungeon.  The rogue wants to quietly open the door.  The DM says, "How are you going to do that?  It's a huge wooden door."  The rogue thinks for a minute and says he's going to oil the hinges and slowly push the door open, just peeking in.  The DM says he succeeds based on his actions within the game.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;683232Uhh, okay.  Here's what happened in our game.  I was an elf fighter.  One of my compatriots was a rogue.  We were facing a door to the dungeon.  The rogue wants to quietly open the door.  The DM says, "How are you going to do that?  It's a huge wooden door."  The rogue thinks for a minute and says he's going to oil the hinges and slowly push the door open, just peeking in.  The DM says he succeeds based on his actions within the game.

I'm confused. What exactly sets that apart from any other game?

Quote from: brettmb;683297I'm confused. What exactly sets that apart from any other game?

Nothing, which is I think what his point was.

Did the Elf Fighter have a bow?

Quote from: CRKrueger;683304Did the Elf Fighter have a bow?

With 22 coins, a Fighter can start with a bow. Plus they can buy one later, assuming money and availability.

Quote from: Skywalker;683309With 22 coins, a Fighter can start with a bow. Plus they can buy one later, assuming money and availability.

The bait wasn't for you...that's no fun.