So does anyone know a place in Canada to get the fucking dumb dice you need to play DCC? The cheapest I can find them for is $35. And sorry, I don't care how cool the game is, if I have to spend $35 on dice (and more realistically $70 if I don't want to be passing dice around the table all night), you've just created a significant barrier to entry for play. For no good reason I can think of besides capricious whimsy.
You don't need the zocchi dice to play DCC. I just got my first set when I backed MCC and I've been playing DCC for years. If it is that expensive don't spend the money and get some at a local con from a retailer there.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FQV8QFE/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp_2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=3341940462&pd_rd_wg=YkC9a&pf_rd_r=V447KZ71C3KQ2K1PY8A6&pf_rd_s=desktop-sx-bottom-slot&pf_rd_t=301&pd_rd_i=B00FQV8QFE&pd_rd_w=74ixU&pf_rd_i=dcc+dice&pd_rd_r=0e770c44-a235-4fa3-88bb-a3b31eb135ff&ie=UTF8&qid=1518730771&sr=2
Dunno what the shipping rate to Canada is.
And you forgot to say "You lost my sale due to your fucking asinine dice, you goddamn terrorist commie bastards!"
I have a few sets of those Koplow 'Who Knew?' dice and they're fine... much cheaper than the fugly 'official' dice Goodman promotes.
Is there some special deal with Canada because down here in the States I've seen DCC-compatible sets at stores, cons, and online for way less than $35?
Sincere question, not trolling.
Quote from: Ulairi;1025614You don't need the zocchi dice to play DCC.
Agreed. You have a couple of options.
(1) Use a regular poly set. For example, a d7 is simply a d8 where you re-roll 8's. No need to buy lots of extra dice if you don't want to.
(2) Use plusses instead of moving on the dice chain. Simply think about the average number and use that to determine the plusses. d3=2, d4=2.5, d5=3, d6=3.5, d7=4, d8=4.5, d10=5.5, d12=6.5, d14=7.5, d16=8.5, d20=10.5, d24=12.5, and so on. So a shift from a d5 to a d7, for example, could simply be a +1. Shift from d8 to d14 becomes a +3. And so on.
Basically, I'd say look at the DCC rules and see if you like them. If you do, don't let the funky dice get in your way. I've run plenty of demo games at my local store by simply using regular poly dice just because that's what the players happen to have.
Following because this is of relevant interest.
If you are not against tech at the table get the Crawler's Companion for Free on Google store. It has a dice roller with all the dice plus look up of all the core rules.
It will spit out spell results and crits/fumbles faster than you can look them up.
Most of the times you need to move up the dice chain due to advanced level it equates to a +4.
Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;1025654Is there some special deal with Canada because down here in the States I've seen DCC-compatible sets at stores, cons, and online for way less than $35?
Sincere question, not trolling.
$25 for the full set through Amazon associated seller, +$10 shipping. Haven't seen the dice at local stores.
Quote from: MonsterSlayer;1025677If you are not against tech at the table get the Crawler's Companion for Free on Google store. It has a dice roller with all the dice plus look up of all the core rules.
It will spit out spell results and crits/fumbles faster than you can look them up.
Yeah, I think I'll get the book and use the online tool for rolling. Then if I like the game, I'll get the dice.
Not long ago I bought a copy of Dungeon Crawl (the pyro wizard cover), and I bought additional dice (3d,5d,7d,14d,16d,24d,30d, though I only didn't have the 14, 16 & 24) of the same color of D&D type dice I already own. They are the Impact! Miniatures dice. That way the additional dice was just like buying another set of dice, not expensive. Also, talking about it with a friend that also got the book for the campaign, we noted that the big book is actually very reasonably priced, which offsets the dice.
I find the dice chain to be one the stand out features of the game, setting it apart from most of this type, and I wouldn't want to harm that part of it.
Quote from: Ulairi;1025614You don't need the zocchi dice to play DCC. I just got my first set when I backed MCC and I've been playing DCC for years. If it is that expensive don't spend the money and get some at a local con from a retailer there.
Ha! Spend money for a Con in order to buy dice. Tragedy.
Quote from: Kuroth;1025681I find the dice chain to be one the stand out features of the game, setting it apart from most of this type, and I wouldn't want to harm that part of it.
Agreed, but my point was that there are other ways to play without having all of the special dice; removing the dice chain and replacing it with dice modifiers is one possible option. Personally, when I play DCC RPG I like to do it BTB.
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1025686Ha! Spend money for a Con in order to buy dice. Tragedy.
Or just grab a set at the next gaming convention you're going to be at because it can be cheaper and you're already there. Some of us aren't such social rejects that we cannot go outside
Of you want something between the expensive Zocchi dice and cheap Koplow ones, I really like the Impact dice for DCC (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YLTHFJA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1).
Quote from: finarvyn;1025670...(2) Use plusses instead of moving on the dice chain. Simply think about the average number and use that to determine the plusses. d3=2, d4=2.5, d5=3, d6=3.5, d7=4, d8=4.5, d10=5.5, d12=6.5, d14=7.5, d16=8.5, d20=10.5, d24=12.5, and so on. So a shift from a d5 to a d7, for example, could simply be a +1. Shift from d8 to d14 becomes a +3. And so on.
That will give you the intended
average result, but it will change the odds of each value and leave out the extreme ends. e.g. d8+3is 4-11, not 1-14.
I'd probably use a die-roller program or web page, e.g. https://rollthedice.online/en/dice/1d14 or http://www.kreativekorp.com/dX/?roll=d14
Quote from: Ulairi;1026046Or just grab a set at the next gaming convention you're going to be at because it can be cheaper and you're already there. Some of us aren't such social rejects that we cannot go outside
Most gamers don't go to RPG cons. I've been playing for 35 years and never been to one (though I do go to the local boardgaming convention). None of the 15 or so friends I've played D&D with over the years have been to one either. My sense is it's mostly people who live in particular regions of North America where there is a high concentration of cons, or who have made geek stuff their main thing and spending $600 to go to a con is part of their lifestyle.
I am fortunate to live a 15 minute drive from the biggest hobby gaming store in the world. And they carry all of the DCC adventures. But the last time I checked, they were out of the weird dice. Not really that surprising - they're about as niche specialty products as you get.
In my experience, it's really hard to find DCC dice in Canada. I have no idea why. I think a lot of gaming stores tend to not give enough emphasis to the OSR (partly because a lot of OSR games aren't connected to the main rpg-book distributors), but you'd think 'weird dice' would sell well just as a novelty.
Anyways, as someone already mentioned, the Crawler's Companion app is free, and awesome.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1026504In my experience, it's really hard to find DCC dice in Canada. I have no idea why. I think a lot of gaming stores tend to not give enough emphasis to the OSR (partly because a lot of OSR games aren't connected to the main rpg-book distributors), but you'd think 'weird dice' would sell well just as a novelty.
The Sentry Box carries everything. The DCC RPG, all the adventures, the Perils of the Purple Planet boxed set, even Metamorphosis Alpha. And back before I was interested in buying the DCC, I saw the dice that Goodman Games sell themselves. With the markup and exchange, they were probably $35. But they don't carry the dice anymore. Again, it's an incredibly niche item.
Quote from: Haffrung;1026513The Sentry Box carries everything. The DCC RPG, all the adventures, the Perils of the Purple Planet boxed set, even Metamorphosis Alpha. And back before I was interested in buying the DCC, I saw the dice that Goodman Games sell themselves. With the markup and exchange, they were probably $35. But they don't carry the dice anymore. Again, it's an incredibly niche item.
Sentry Box focuses more on card and board games now. Most players of RPGs play either 5e or Pathfinder.
Quote from: Krimson;1026526Sentry Box focuses more on card and board games now. Most players of RPGs play either 5e or Pathfinder.
They stock virtually every RPG book published in the english language. How many other brick and mortar game stores in the world do you think have Metamorphosis Alpha, Peril on the Purple Planet, or Barbarians of Lemuria sitting on the shelves?
Quote from: Haffrung;1026551They stock virtually every RPG book published in the english language. How many other brick and mortar game stores in the world do you think have Metamorphosis Alpha, Peril on the Purple Planet, or Barbarians of Lemuria sitting on the shelves?
Where they sit and sit. Yes you can get those RPGs there, but they're not exactly flying off the shelves. Don't believe me? Next time you check out the OSR books, run your finger across them. When I go there, I see people playing card games and board games upstairs. RPG players are practically nonexistent and the last time I saw people playing an edition older than 3rd in that building, was in the mid 90s shortly after they moved there.
Quote from: Krimson;1026557Where they sit and sit. Yes you can get those RPGs there, but they're not exactly flying off the shelves. Don't believe me? Next time you check out the OSR books, run your finger across them. When I go there, I see people playing card games and board games upstairs. RPG players are practically nonexistent and the last time I saw people playing an edition older than 3rd in that building, was in the mid 90s shortly after they moved there.
I'm not sure what your point is. That RPGs other than Pathfinder and 5E are a tiny niche market? You won't get any argument from me there. But I see no reason to believe other cities are any different from Calgary in that regard. Do you think if you walked into a game store in Atlanta or Ottawa you'd be likely to see a group sitting at a table playing Barbarians of Lemuria? If anything, the availability of niche and out-of-print games at the Sentry Box makes it easier to play old-school RPGs in Calgary. That doesn't mean you would expect to see those people playing in the Sentry Box. People who play RPGs in stores are usually under 26 and living with their parents. OSR gamers tend to be older, and older people usually have homes to play in.
If it makes you feel better, the last thing I bought there was the DCC RPG. :D
Quote from: Krimson;1026583If it makes you feel better, the last thing I bought there was the DCC RPG. :D
Nice. Now that I know there's competition for DCC books on the shelves at the Sentry Box, I'll have to grab the stuff I want when I see it.
Quote from: Haffrung;1026600Nice. Now that I know there's competition for DCC books on the shelves at the Sentry Box, I'll have to grab the stuff I want when I see it.
I plan on going when the weather gets nicer. I don't like that C-Train station which has already become famous for stabbings and prefer to walk over from Downtown, which has the added benefit of letting me stop for Shawarma. I always check out the OSR stuff first.
What you might want to do is buy the minimum, basic "DCC Purple" set, then if you want more of the funky ones, wait until another Kickstarter comes along. I used the various trick methods of using regular dice, then got all of my DCC dice through Kickstarter.
Quote from: Haffrung;1026513The Sentry Box carries everything. The DCC RPG, all the adventures, the Perils of the Purple Planet boxed set, even Metamorphosis Alpha. And back before I was interested in buying the DCC, I saw the dice that Goodman Games sell themselves. With the markup and exchange, they were probably $35. But they don't carry the dice anymore. Again, it's an incredibly niche item.
The last time I was in the Sentry Box was 2015, and back then they didn't have the dice.
Again, I think that's so strange, because like, for decades the D30 was all but useless, and yet every store sold them, and TONS of gamers I knew owned them, just to say they had them. Gamers love weird dice. I could imagine lots of people who never play DCC buying them.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1027032Again, I think that's so strange, because like, for decades the D30 was all but useless, and yet every store sold them, and TONS of gamers I knew owned them, just to say they had them. Gamers love weird dice. I could imagine lots of people who never play DCC buying them.
I could see picking up a d7 because of the frequent times that I have 7 players, and want to randomly pick one. When you are doing that in a hurry, that 8 on the d8 comes up at just the wrong moment. Though usually I set that as, "the person I would have picked to have bad thing happening to him," before I decided to give the players a random chance to spread out the misery. Come to think of it, maybe my players should look into getting me a set of DCC dice.
I don't much care for the d3, d5 or d7 myself. But I like the D16 and D24 a lot!
Quote from: RPGPundit;1027323I don't much care for the d3, d5 or d7 myself. But I like the D16 and D24 a lot!
I'd buy all of them if I saw them. I collect dice. I even have cheater dice I bought almost 30 years ago which are still in the package because they are there for show. You know, those funky dice could be handy if someone were to revise and OSRify Alternity.
One of my players has the full DCC set. I don't. I have the D16, D24, D30 and the Crawler Companion app (which really, is all one needs).