Quote from: Publishers NewsletterPeople in the United States are seeking justice this week, and the world is watching. At DriveThruRPG, we believe Black Lives Matter. Here is how we are trying to help:
We will set up one charity bundle including submissions from any publishers who wish to be involved. The bundle will be priced at a substantial discount, with all proceeds going directly to non-profit Black Lives Matter. This charity bundle will be activated as soon as possible following the submission deadline.
We will spotlight up to five (5) additional titles alongside the charity bundle. We will fill these spots with games, adventures, and supplements by Black creators. All DriveThruRPG proceeds from each of these titles will be donated to a charity or local bail fund of the publisher's choice.
SUBMISSION DEADLINE: Friday, June 5, 2020
There are four stipulations:
Only one title per publisher.
PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE bundles or free/pay-what-you-want titles.
We may not be able to include every title, depending on how many people submit titles. Those submitted after June 5 will not be included.
Due to the way charity bundles are set up on our marketplace, purchases of the charity bundle do not count toward those individual titles' metal bestseller badges. Purchases of the spotlighted titles by Black creators WILL count toward bestseller badges.
Wasn't a leader of BLM arrested for human trafficking and prostitution charges? (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/19/charles-wade-black-lives-matter-leader-charged-wit/)
I'm really uncomfortable with this.
Obligatory corporate virtue signalling.
Yeah I'ma pass on helping them signal how woke they are.
Maybe not explicitly relevant since they're tossing money someone's way (well, not THEIR money) but...
(https://i.imgur.com/O66DEoN.png)
...and with that post, thou art Snark Lord!I posted this in the Other Corporate Virtue thread:
Quote from: Spinachcat;1131925BTW, if anyone wants to donate to a good non-political cause, I suggest DonorsChoose.org (https://www.donorschoose.org/).
Teachers announce their class projects and you can fund what you personally support.
I doubt this is legal:
Due to the way charity bundles are set up on our marketplace, purchases of the charity bundle do not count toward those individual titles' metal bestseller badges. Purchases of the spotlighted titles by Black creators WILL count toward bestseller badges.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1131931I doubt this is legal:
Due to the way charity bundles are set up on our marketplace, purchases of the charity bundle do not count toward those individual titles' metal bestseller badges. Purchases of the spotlighted titles by Black creators WILL count toward bestseller badges.
What's illegal about it. Those are their badges, based on their rules. They can pretty much just freely award whatever they want since those don't really mean anything.
"I" do not support BLM, and now I'll never purchase anything from DriveThruRPG.
I support Black Lives Matters. I don't care if one bad apple was found in the bunch, there's a pile of bad apples in the Police. Are all police bad now that there are bad police? Nope. Are all priests bad because there are bad priests? Nope.
I support Black Lives Matters because I'm angry at the treatment of black people in America. It's not complicated.
Quote from: Razor 007;1131936"I" do not support BLM, and now I'll never purchase anything from DriveThruRPG.
:rolleyes:
Because of one charity stunt?
BLM is just a hate group that extorts corporations. Then add LGBTQ to the mix for this month.
Quote from: trechriron;1131941I support Black Lives Matters. I don't care if one bad apple was found in the bunch, there's a pile of bad apples in the Police.
Black lives matter is a vauge movement with no clear goals or structures or realistic demands. There may be only a few truly rotten apples, but the whole barrel is a poor harvest.
Being angry and acting off gut reaction will get you shit results that will be worse than 'Just doing nothing!'.
Quote from: trechriron;1131941I support Black Lives Matters. I don't care if one bad apple was found in the bunch, there's a pile of bad apples in the Police. Are all police bad now that there are bad police? Nope. Are all priests bad because there are bad priests? Nope.
I support Black Lives Matters because I'm angry at the treatment of black people in America. It's not complicated.
I concur and will be submitting Wilderlands of High Fantasy to the bundle.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1131961Black lives matter is a vauge movement with no clear goals or structures or realistic demands. There may be only a few truly rotten apples, but the whole barrel is a poor harvest.
Being angry and acting off gut reaction will get you shit results that will be worse than 'Just doing nothing!'.
That's not true. The cop in question wasn't arrested until people were rioting for practically five days. It took that much outrage for something to finally happen. Normally he would have been put on administrative leave for like a week at worst and nothing would've happened, just like the other times in the guy's apparent checkered history. What does it say that it took a riot to get the police to actually do something? If you or I did what the cop did we would've been arrested ASAP no questions asked.
It doesn't help that the cops randomly instigate the riots themselves when they go to actual peaceful protests and start doing totally uncalled for shit like shooting on the crowd.
Black Lives Matter is a racist group. Here's a lady who gets it.
[video=youtube;ItopNgRQiuY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItopNgRQiuY[/youtube]
Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1131995That's not true. The cop in question wasn't arrested until people were rioting for practically five days. It took that much outrage for something to finally happen.
Most jurisdictions, when a police officer is accused of a crime there is a very specific process they have to go through. For example, some cities don't allow the officer to be questioned within less than 48 hours (often more), and then once they've had a chance to be advised by their union rep. The city went ahead and fired all four officers, but in many cases in which that happens, the union will also intercede and 'undo' it.
The outrage wasn't a necessity for this.
Right now, the city has to figure out what to charge the other officers with.
Typically there is an internal affairs investigation that has to conclude prior to any criminal investgation. But let's face it, in today's America the masses just want to hang people due to public opinion without due process.
Quote from: estar;1131971I concur and will be submitting Wilderlands of High Fantasy to the bundle.
Hmmm...
Quote from: estarThe fight is over the freedom to infect versus the freedom to be free from infection.
How many thousands or tens of thousand do you think BLM protestors, looters and arsonists will kill through their spreading of COVID-19?
Quote from: HappyDaze;1131933What's illegal about it. Those are their badges, based on their rules. They can pretty much just freely award whatever they want since those don't really mean anything.
Here's the problem. In the USA, you can't racially discriminate in business. DriveThruRPG has a system where sales grant points which can then be used by the publisher to access marketing and promotion options. Additionally, the copper/silver/gold badges are important sales tools because many consumers believe popularity equals quality.
Thus, if you are granting greater financial access to one group based on their skin color, you are automatically discriminating against others and tilting the financial scales based on skin color. That's a legal no-no.
Quote from: DocJones;1132010How many thousands or tens of thousand do you think BLM protestors, looters and arsonists will kill through their spreading of COVID-19?
Far less than the number who will die from the mob violence.
What has this to do with rpgs?
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1132031What has this to do with rpgs?
"DriveThruRPG Supporting BLM"
Quote from: DocJones;1132010How many thousands or tens of thousand do you think BLM protestors, looters and arsonists will kill through their spreading of COVID-19?
Circumstances are rarely ideal.
As for the question the protests will aggravate the Covid pandemic. Unfortunately the emotions and issues that arise as a result of the killing of George Floyd are not a thing where one goes "Oh lets put a pin in this.".
Quote from: estar;1132045Circumstances are rarely ideal.
The excuse given for some of the most repeated worst atrocities in history. These riots will accomplish nothing except hurting a bunch of innocent people because shit bags have a memory of a broken 1970s computer and can't get that through their heads.
Why is the crime of George Floyd more important then the robbery, arson and assault commited by the protesters?
Quote from: trechriron;1131941I support Black Lives Matters. I don't care if one bad apple was found in the bunch, there's a pile of bad apples in the Police. Are all police bad now that there are bad police? Nope. Are all priests bad because there are bad priests? Nope.
I support Black Lives Matters because I'm angry at the treatment of black people in America. It's not complicated.
No it isn't, for you.
I'm pretty concerned where and how my money is being spent when I donate it. It isn't just Black Lives Matter, it is Black Lives Matter Foundation Incorporated (https://blacklivesmatter.com/). They are a business, but they are not a non-profit 501(3)c. They are also only six years old. So how is money that is donated to them spent? What percentage is used for overhead? How much gets to the people they are trying to help?
You and estar can use your IP and spend your money however you like. My take on this is that if you really want to help out blacks in America, then your donations of money might be better spent on the NAACP (https://www.naacp.org/) or the UNCF (https://uncf.org/) although neither is topical in the media right now.
And last, but not least - I'm really sick and tired of seeing my hobby get used more and more for political gain.
Quote from: estar;1131971I concur and will be submitting Wilderlands of High Fantasy to the bundle.
It's almost like you knew this was coming after your ridiculously uninformed posts on COVID-19...the progressives have really figured out how to manipulate large groups of people.
I sympathize with Floyd's family. What happened to him is not correct and justice will be done. HOWEVER, the outrage surrounding his death is being used to promote violence and looting. He's family already told people to stop and rioters won't listen. I think we need the army in NY, PA, and DC ASAP. All they're doing is destroying, burning and looting. This won't help with the reform they're demanding, it will only increase racial tensions. I'm not taking part in this charity because I can't trust BLM. It's like adding fuel to the fire. I love America, these people are destroying everything people worked hard for. That's not right!
Quote from: trechriron;1131941I support Black Lives Matters. I don't care if one bad apple was found in the bunch, there's a pile of bad apples in the Police. Are all police bad now that there are bad police? Nope. Are all priests bad because there are bad priests? Nope.
I support Black Lives Matters because I'm angry at the treatment of black people in America. It's not complicated.
Not complicated, but utterly contradictory. Black Lives Matter promotes the very specific, and demonstrably false notion that police officers across the U.S. are engaged in genocide of black people. The narrative of the movement is in fact that which you start off saying yourself is wrong: that police in general are bad and racist.
That you identify your anger as the cause of support is the most telling part here, because it's precisely that media-stoked anger that erases any hope of rational thought, and leads to things like defending obvious contradictions.
All I gotta say is, the same retards who scream 'abolish the police' and 'ACAB' are the same kind of people who will scream for protection when someone robs them blind.
Back on topic: I just want to say thanks to the OP -- it's definitely great to know which companies would send my money along to BLM and other political organizations.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1132136All I gotta say is, the same retards who scream 'abolish the police' and 'ACAB' are the same kind of people who will scream for protection when someone robs them blind.
I think this has happened already. Sadly I don't have a link to share but maybe I'll run across it again.
Quote from: trechriron;1131941I support Black Lives Matters. I don't care if one bad apple was found in the bunch, there's a pile of bad apples in the Police. Are all police bad now that there are bad police? Nope. Are all priests bad because there are bad priests? Nope.
I support Black Lives Matters because I'm angry at the treatment of black people in America. It's not complicated.
Right on mate.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1132136All I gotta say is, the same retards who scream 'abolish the police' and 'ACAB' are the same kind of people who will scream for protection when someone robs them blind.
We're already seeing that on Twitter.
"This kind of violence and property damage is unfortunate, but if it gets voices hea- No wait! Don't burn down MY home and local businesses! AHHH POLICE STOP THESE VIOLENT THUGS!" If one of these people actually has their livelihood destroyed and sticks to their message of it being a 'unfortunate but necessary casualty to spread the message' then fair game, but everybody knows the people preaching that kind of thing are by enlarge living comfortable in their gated ivory towers and would likely up and move promptly if too many people of a darker skin pigment began moving in.
Quote from: The Exploited.;1132139Right on mate.
"Mate". Funny how everyone who lives in other countries is an expert on what it's really like in the U.S.!
Quote from: Snark Knight;1132140We're already seeing that on Twitter.
"This kind of violence and property damage is unfortunate, but if it gets voiced hea- No wait! Don't burn down MY home and local businesses! AHHH POLICE STOP THEM!" If one of these people actually has their livelihood destroyed and sticks to their message of it being a 'unfortunate but necessary casualty to spread the message' then fair game, but everybody knows the people preaching that kind of thing are by enlarge living comfortable in their gated ivory towers and would likely up and move promptly if too many people of a darker skin pigment began moving in.
Or even blatantly supporting riots, so long as they're not in their own neighborhood, like ESPN's Chris Palmer in these tweets 3 days apart (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1267127192330346500?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1267127192330346500&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportingnews.com%2Fus%2Fnba%2Fnews%2Fespn-nba-reporter-tweets-george-floyd-protests%2F1eefhr1gpdx791oxlllizoun9i)
Quote from: Zalman;1132142"Mate". Funny how everyone who lives in other countries is an expert on what it's really like in the U.S.!
LOL Irony? The US shoves its dick everywhere it can, and they know everything about everything, according to them.
Mind you 'mate', if your Police behaved in a professional manner, this shit show wouldn't be happening. Under trained overpowered thugs.
ps - not all cops are wankers of course. Just the shite ones we see in the media who are behaving like scum. Fuck those pigs.
I forgot to mention, I think it's a also a bad move to support BLM because it's a unstable group that's now indirectly linked to riots, murder, and violence. If tomorrow president Trump labels the BLM movement a domestic threat then what? I'd never associate my games to BLM with donations. I just want the looting and arson to stop, let the army move in if necessary.
Quote from: Snark Knight;1132140We're already seeing that on Twitter.
"This kind of violence and property damage is unfortunate, but if it gets voices hea- No wait! Don't burn down MY home and local businesses! AHHH POLICE STOP THESE VIOLENT THUGS!" If one of these people actually has their livelihood destroyed and sticks to their message of it being a 'unfortunate but necessary casualty to spread the message' then fair game, but everybody knows the people preaching that kind of thing are by enlarge living comfortable in their gated ivory towers and would likely up and move promptly if too many people of a darker skin pigment began moving in.
And if they think that sucks, wait till they find out that the police have no obligation to protect the individual, OR keep the peace.
(The former is already settled law. The latter? Well, hard to say. But the Raleigh police chief straight up said she wouldn't deploy police to turn back rioters.)
Anyone who makes a post from here on in this thread that isn't about DTRPG will be banned.
Is it an opt in thing or do they just select people's stuff to be part of it? Like could a publisher say "no thanks"?
DTRPG isn't a brick and mortar book store so there is little danger of them being burned down like the two book stores in Minnesota.
This BLM ("supposed charity") they are going to support has a very specific demand, defund the police. (https://blacklivesmatter.com/defundthepolice/)
IMHO, clearly this is NOT a charity. I know of no charity that has a dangerous goal such as defunding law enforcement. Frankly it's insane. DTRPG should be ashamed.
Quote from: DocJones;1132345DTRPG isn't a brick and mortar book store so there is little danger of them being burned down like the two book stores in Minnesota.
This BLM ("supposed charity") they are going to support has a very specific demand, defund the police. (https://blacklivesmatter.com/defundthepolice/)
IMHO, clearly this is NOT a charity. I know of no charity that has a dangerous goal such as defunding law enforcement. Frankly it's insane. DTRPG should be ashamed.
Why would they be ashamed of displaying the virtues of the day? The more prominently the better? Far easier than having the courage to stand for what is right rather than what is popular, or even remaining silent and just, oh, selling books, maybe?
BLM is a communist sock puppet.
Quote from: KingCheops;1132341Is it an opt in thing or do they just select people's stuff to be part of it? Like could a publisher say "no thanks"?
Was wondering that as well. At a guess. Probably no. Or if you requested it they'd just blacklist you.
Quote from: Omega;1132472Was wondering that as well. At a guess. Probably no. Or if you requested it they'd just blacklist you.
A publisher doesn't have but so much say in what a store does with their profits. As long as DTRPG isn't "donating" the publisher's cut too, then it's their money to do with as they please. Of course, publishers have every right not to do business with storefronts who they feel are supporting a reprehensible group, so a publisher could simply stop selling their items through DTRPG if they chose, but other than that they really have no input.
Quote from: KingCheops;1132341Is it an opt in thing or do they just select people's stuff to be part of it? Like could a publisher say "no thanks"?
Yes, it's opt-in, although it sounds like they're expecting a heavy response since they're limiting it to 'one item per publisher, please.'
https://youtu.be/kpZbVrIP1zc (https://youtu.be/kpZbVrIP1zc)
[video=youtube_share;kpZbVrIP1zc]https://youtu.be/kpZbVrIP1zc[/youtube]
Maybe I should move up some purchases on DriveThruRPG.
We are going through an awful time where police are attacking media and embarrassing our country on the international stage. The systematic injustice and lack of accountability have boiled to protests and riots. The illegal actions of police all around the country require funds to legally challenge.
Good on DriveThruRPG, if you are against this, I assume you are racist. Awhile ago I may not have assumed that, but racists have been allowed to infiltrate police departments everywhere due to benefit of the doubt. All this dog-whistling about "concern" or how you don't like a particular group because of XYZ is all just show. Just because you aren't saying the N-word doesn't mean you aren't racist.
Of course I have a feeling that more 2nd amendment would solve this issue faster. A well armed Black-America would make violent racism a lot harder to pull off if the community could pull out legally owned guns instead of just phones. Somehow I doubt that DTRPG is going to fund giving guns to people.
And I do think it is appropriate for an RPG company to weigh in on this issue and pick a side. There is no Law if the police do not follow it and without law there is no society. This issue concerns everyone in America and the world in general because an unstable USA is dangerous for everyone else.
Quote from: Rhedyn;1132494if you are against this, I assume you are racist.
How brave!
Quote from: Rhedyn;1132494Good on DriveThruRPG, if you are against this, I assume you are racist.
No that's not how it works.
I appreciate DriveThru's solidarity.
This is about stopping police from becoming "Judge, Jury, and Executioner". They are not allowed that power under the Constitution.
I'm a little stunned that Pundit might think opposing Human Rights is cool. Like the Human Right to not be executed in the street by police when being compliant to police commands.
I'm glad the Libs are taking control of this and the accommodating response from many police officials also helps.
We cannot call our society "civilized" when Innocents are murdered in the streets
I too support Drivethrurpgs's attempt to profit off the death of a black man.
Greetings!
Any American citizen should be free from being assaulted and murdered by corrupt police. Corrupt police should be prosecuted thoroughly in court, to the fullest extent of the law. Courts, law enforcement officials, should pursue aggressive investigations wherever there are problems. Justice and liberty, and living free from fear, is every right of a law-abiding American citizen, of whatever colour or ethnicity.
Looters, thugs, and rebels, however, need to be crushed. American citizens should not be living in fear of being beaten, killed, or robbed by vicious gangs of animal rebels roaming the streets.
Corporations should support good, lawful causes and organizations--and not give their support to fringe groups that support rebellion and anarchy, regardless of their colour or ethnicity.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Rhedyn;1132494Maybe I should move up some purchases on DriveThruRPG.
We are going through an awful time where police are attacking media and embarrassing our country on the international stage. The systematic injustice and lack of accountability have boiled to protests and riots. The illegal actions of police all around the country require funds to legally challenge.
None of these funds are going towards legally challenging police and holding them accountable. They're going towards an ineffectual organization that just spreads disinformation and grandstands. DTRPG isn't going to stop police brutality, it's just going to signal its virtue.
Quote from: Rhedyn;1132494Good on DriveThruRPG, if you are against this, I assume you are racist.
Yes, I am "racist" former BLM supporter who used to spread their debunked "Hands up, don't shoot!" lies.
Quote from: Rhedyn;1132494Of course I have a feeling that more 2nd amendment would solve this issue faster. A well armed Black-America would make violent racism a lot harder to pull off if the community could pull out legally owned guns instead of just phones. Somehow I doubt that DTRPG is going to fund giving guns to people.
I can understand this sentiment, but I'm not sure that escalating violence against a militarized police force with access to tanks, bulletproof vests, riot gear and heavy ordnance is necessarily a good idea. Though, I do support people's right to arm themselves and defend themselves through force, if necessary.
Quote from: Rhedyn;1132494And I do think it is appropriate for an RPG company to weigh in on this issue and pick a side. There is no Law if the police do not follow it and without law there is no society. This issue concerns everyone in America and the world in general because an unstable USA is dangerous for everyone else.
I don't necessarily disagree with this but I don't think that donating to BLM is gonna fix anything.
Quote from: Razor 007;1131936"I" do not support BLM, and now I'll never purchase anything from DriveThruRPG.
Big consumer of DrvieThruRPG before this, were you?
Quote from: Theory of Games;1132502I'm a little stunned that Pundit might think opposing Human Rights is cool.
I don't think he does. But this is a forum for discussing roleplaying games.
If we want to discuss US domestic politics, we have the entire fucking internet. I've been on the internet since 1996, and I don't think I've managed to pass
a single day of internet use
without US domestic politics. As an American you mightn't appreciate just how ubiquitous it is - a fish can't see the water. US domestic politics is essentially impossible to avoid online.
So if we have this one little spot of the internet to discuss roleplaying games, and
just roleplaying games, I don't think that's a bad thing. I don't complain that the butcher isn't selling broccoli.
Quote from: Rhedyn;1132494Of course I have a feeling that more 2nd amendment would solve this issue faster. A well armed Black-America would make violent racism a lot harder to pull off if the community could pull out legally owned guns instead of just phones. Somehow I doubt that DTRPG is going to fund giving guns to people.
I agree.
QuoteAnd I do think it is appropriate for an RPG company to weigh in on this issue and pick a side. There is no Law if the police do not follow it and without law there is no society. This issue concerns everyone in America and the world in general because an unstable USA is dangerous for everyone else.
Well, I agree with that too. it's a question of the rule of law.
Rule of law depends that the police and government treat you the same whether you're black or white.
Rule of law also depends that the police and government treat you the same whether you're right-wing or left-wing.
Both of those have clearly been seriously violated, on multiple occasions.
Quote from: Theory of Games;1132502I'm a little stunned that Pundit might think opposing Human Rights is cool. Like the Human Right to not be executed in the street by police when being compliant to police commands.
I absolutely agree that police brutality in violation of human rights is not cool.
I also think that the complete abandonment of rule of law by liberal mayors, police chiefs, DAs and governors in allowing left-wing rioters to commit mayhem, arson, and murder on the streets with no consequences is not cool.
And since multiple people have been violating the topic of this thread, I'm going to close this one too. Again, usually I don't close threads, but instead of banning a half-dozen people here I'm taking special consideration in that this is a very topical situation with a very heated issue.