Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
The bots are stupid because they're stochastic parrots. They don't understand anything. They've been trained to produce output we find superficially comprehensible based on statistical analysis of our writings.

Which is why it's such a stupid idea to outsource our own thinking to bots. Your brain works like muscle: if you don't exercise your intellect and imagination, then your mind atrophies.

chatgpt, please give me a list of 20 uncommon spanish surnames

Output

Did I outsource my thinking? I think not, I thought of getting the uncommon spanish surnames, but instead of doing the research by hand I outsourced the legwork to the bot.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2023, 03:38:56 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
The bots are stupid because they're stochastic parrots. They don't understand anything. They've been trained to produce output we find superficially comprehensible based on statistical analysis of our writings.

Which is why it's such a stupid idea to outsource our own thinking to bots. Your brain works like muscle: if you don't exercise your intellect and imagination, then your mind atrophies.

chatgpt, please give me a list of 20 uncommon spanish surnames

Output

Did I outsource my thinking? I think not, I thought of getting the uncommon spanish surnames, but instead of doing the research by hand I outsourced the legwork to the bot.

I don't trust chatgpt to provide trustworthy info. I asked it to give me the frequency and it said that it cannot provide citations or statistics for anything it says and told me to do my own research.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 04:36:00 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2023, 03:38:56 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
The bots are stupid because they're stochastic parrots. They don't understand anything. They've been trained to produce output we find superficially comprehensible based on statistical analysis of our writings.

Which is why it's such a stupid idea to outsource our own thinking to bots. Your brain works like muscle: if you don't exercise your intellect and imagination, then your mind atrophies.

chatgpt, please give me a list of 20 uncommon spanish surnames

Output

Did I outsource my thinking? I think not, I thought of getting the uncommon spanish surnames, but instead of doing the research by hand I outsourced the legwork to the bot.

I don't trust chatgpt to provide trustworthy info. I asked it to give me the frequency and it said that it cannot provide citations or statistics for anything it says and told me to do my own research.

Not only that, ChatGPT flat out lies. I've had it invent sources, munge two sources into one, and cite an actual source that had zero information on the topic.

It is after all a chat bot, not a research assistant.

Quote from: rytrasmi on August 10, 2023, 04:45:27 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 04:36:00 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2023, 03:38:56 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
The bots are stupid because they're stochastic parrots. They don't understand anything. They've been trained to produce output we find superficially comprehensible based on statistical analysis of our writings.

Which is why it's such a stupid idea to outsource our own thinking to bots. Your brain works like muscle: if you don't exercise your intellect and imagination, then your mind atrophies.

chatgpt, please give me a list of 20 uncommon spanish surnames

Output

Did I outsource my thinking? I think not, I thought of getting the uncommon spanish surnames, but instead of doing the research by hand I outsourced the legwork to the bot.

I don't trust chatgpt to provide trustworthy info. I asked it to give me the frequency and it said that it cannot provide citations or statistics for anything it says and told me to do my own research.

Not only that, ChatGPT flat out lies. I've had it invent sources, munge two sources into one, and cite an actual source that had zero information on the topic.

It is after all a chat bot, not a research assistant.

All of which would be relevant if I was making scientific research, I'm making research for an RPG, if it's not 100% accurate nobody will die because of it.

Besides you can always check an asortment of the things.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2023, 04:52:18 PM

All of which would be relevant if I was making scientific research, I'm making research for an RPG, if it's not 100% accurate nobody will die because of it.

Besides you can always check an asortment of the things.

Yes, making an appeal to extremes isn't a good way to argue this.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 04:36:00 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2023, 03:38:56 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
The bots are stupid because they're stochastic parrots. They don't understand anything. They've been trained to produce output we find superficially comprehensible based on statistical analysis of our writings.

Which is why it's such a stupid idea to outsource our own thinking to bots. Your brain works like muscle: if you don't exercise your intellect and imagination, then your mind atrophies.

chatgpt, please give me a list of 20 uncommon spanish surnames

Output

Did I outsource my thinking? I think not, I thought of getting the uncommon spanish surnames, but instead of doing the research by hand I outsourced the legwork to the bot.

I don't trust chatgpt to provide trustworthy info. I asked it to give me the frequency and it said that it cannot provide citations or statistics for anything it says and told me to do my own research.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/f297a106-9546-49a5-af76-3c93bad69f94?s=u

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2023, 10:44:50 PM
Use the DAN jailbreak.

Sure, that works for power users but normies are going to just type in their questions and get the woke response, and Marxist revisionist history.

Quote from: Tod13 on August 10, 2023, 06:19:15 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 04:36:00 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2023, 03:38:56 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
The bots are stupid because they're stochastic parrots. They don't understand anything. They've been trained to produce output we find superficially comprehensible based on statistical analysis of our writings.

Which is why it's such a stupid idea to outsource our own thinking to bots. Your brain works like muscle: if you don't exercise your intellect and imagination, then your mind atrophies.

chatgpt, please give me a list of 20 uncommon spanish surnames

Output

Did I outsource my thinking? I think not, I thought of getting the uncommon spanish surnames, but instead of doing the research by hand I outsourced the legwork to the bot.

I don't trust chatgpt to provide trustworthy info. I asked it to give me the frequency and it said that it cannot provide citations or statistics for anything it says and told me to do my own research.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/f297a106-9546-49a5-af76-3c93bad69f94?s=u

Did you bother to read the answer or were you lazily looking for a quick gotcha because you're feeling contrarian? It gives the useless non-answer "It is difficult to determine how frequently these surnames occur, as they are considered uncommon. However, according to 6, the most popular Hispanic last name in the United States is Garcia, with a total count of 1,073,180 people who have the surname."

That's the exact opposite of what is being asked for. It's not even difficult to find the frequency because there are numerous ancestry websites that trawl public records to get statistics. These AI can't even do that much. How the fuck do these pieces of shit even know their answer is correct if they can't even cite simple publicly available statistics?

I'm not saying AI is completely useless, but its utility is extremely specific to the point that I don't need to use it to begin with. Most of the time I do use AI I want to punch my fist through the screen.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 07:07:32 PM

Quote from: Tod13 on August 10, 2023, 06:19:15 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 04:36:00 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2023, 03:38:56 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
The bots are stupid because they're stochastic parrots. They don't understand anything. They've been trained to produce output we find superficially comprehensible based on statistical analysis of our writings.

Which is why it's such a stupid idea to outsource our own thinking to bots. Your brain works like muscle: if you don't exercise your intellect and imagination, then your mind atrophies.

chatgpt, please give me a list of 20 uncommon spanish surnames

Output

Did I outsource my thinking? I think not, I thought of getting the uncommon spanish surnames, but instead of doing the research by hand I outsourced the legwork to the bot.

I don't trust chatgpt to provide trustworthy info. I asked it to give me the frequency and it said that it cannot provide citations or statistics for anything it says and told me to do my own research.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/f297a106-9546-49a5-af76-3c93bad69f94?s=u

Did you bother to read the answer or were you lazily looking for a quick gotcha because you're feeling contrarian? It gives the useless non-answer "It is difficult to determine how frequently these surnames occur, as they are considered uncommon. However, according to 6, the most popular Hispanic last name in the United States is Garcia, with a total count of 1,073,180 people who have the surname."

That's the exact opposite of what is being asked for. It's not even difficult to find the frequency because there are numerous ancestry websites that trawl public records to get statistics. These AI can't even do that much. How the fuck do these pieces of shit even know their answer is correct if they can't even cite simple publicly available statistics?

I'm not saying AI is completely useless, but its utility is extremely specific to the point that I don't need to use it to begin with. Most of the time I do use AI I want to punch my fist through the screen.

Well, as someone with a foot in TWO hispanic countries and cultures those ARE uncommon, maybe not the least common but certainly you don't find too many people with those surnames even in México or Spain, I would guess neither in the US.

And it IS giving you the sources on the top.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/ab342eb9-f71d-48b0-bc56-4aef3fcf027a?s=u

Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 10, 2023, 06:53:39 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2023, 10:44:50 PM
Use the DAN jailbreak.

Sure, that works for power users but normies are going to just type in their questions and get the woke response, and Marxist revisionist history.

I agree, I said it before either in this or another AI related thread, the biggest danger these bots present is the people doing the programming and censoring.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 07:07:32 PM

Quote from: Tod13 on August 10, 2023, 06:19:15 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 04:36:00 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2023, 03:38:56 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
The bots are stupid because they're stochastic parrots. They don't understand anything. They've been trained to produce output we find superficially comprehensible based on statistical analysis of our writings.

Which is why it's such a stupid idea to outsource our own thinking to bots. Your brain works like muscle: if you don't exercise your intellect and imagination, then your mind atrophies.

chatgpt, please give me a list of 20 uncommon spanish surnames

Output

Did I outsource my thinking? I think not, I thought of getting the uncommon spanish surnames, but instead of doing the research by hand I outsourced the legwork to the bot.

I don't trust chatgpt to provide trustworthy info. I asked it to give me the frequency and it said that it cannot provide citations or statistics for anything it says and told me to do my own research.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/f297a106-9546-49a5-af76-3c93bad69f94?s=u

Did you bother to read the answer or were you lazily looking for a quick gotcha because you're feeling contrarian? It gives the useless non-answer "It is difficult to determine how frequently these surnames occur, as they are considered uncommon. However, according to 6, the most popular Hispanic last name in the United States is Garcia, with a total count of 1,073,180 people who have the surname."

That's the exact opposite of what is being asked for. It's not even difficult to find the frequency because there are numerous ancestry websites that trawl public records to get statistics. These AI can't even do that much. How the fuck do these pieces of shit even know their answer is correct if they can't even cite simple publicly available statistics?

I'm not saying AI is completely useless, but its utility is extremely specific to the point that I don't need to use it to begin with. Most of the time I do use AI I want to punch my fist through the screen.

Perplexity gives you the sources for its answers. Which was half your gripe.

And it says it can't determine frequency, because they're so rare. Which was the other half. And gives you link to a place that might allow you to look up frequencies.

ETA: removed useless griping.

Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 10, 2023, 06:53:39 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2023, 10:44:50 PM
Use the DAN jailbreak.

Sure, that works for power users but normies are going to just type in their questions and get the woke response, and Marxist revisionist history.

So true.  History has been rewritten and injected into these "AI" bots

Quote from: Tod13 on August 10, 2023, 07:43:28 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 07:07:32 PM

Quote from: Tod13 on August 10, 2023, 06:19:15 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 04:36:00 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2023, 03:38:56 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
The bots are stupid because they're stochastic parrots. They don't understand anything. They've been trained to produce output we find superficially comprehensible based on statistical analysis of our writings.

Which is why it's such a stupid idea to outsource our own thinking to bots. Your brain works like muscle: if you don't exercise your intellect and imagination, then your mind atrophies.

chatgpt, please give me a list of 20 uncommon spanish surnames

Output

Did I outsource my thinking? I think not, I thought of getting the uncommon spanish surnames, but instead of doing the research by hand I outsourced the legwork to the bot.

I don't trust chatgpt to provide trustworthy info. I asked it to give me the frequency and it said that it cannot provide citations or statistics for anything it says and told me to do my own research.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/f297a106-9546-49a5-af76-3c93bad69f94?s=u

Did you bother to read the answer or were you lazily looking for a quick gotcha because you're feeling contrarian? It gives the useless non-answer "It is difficult to determine how frequently these surnames occur, as they are considered uncommon. However, according to 6, the most popular Hispanic last name in the United States is Garcia, with a total count of 1,073,180 people who have the surname."

That's the exact opposite of what is being asked for. It's not even difficult to find the frequency because there are numerous ancestry websites that trawl public records to get statistics. These AI can't even do that much. How the fuck do these pieces of shit even know their answer is correct if they can't even cite simple publicly available statistics?

I'm not saying AI is completely useless, but its utility is extremely specific to the point that I don't need to use it to begin with. Most of the time I do use AI I want to punch my fist through the screen.

Perplexity gives you the sources for its answers. Which was half your gripe.

And it says it can't determine frequency, because they're so rare. Which was the other half. And gives you link to a place that might allow you to look up frequencies.

ETA: removed useless griping.

Did you check the sources to make sure they say what you claim they say? No? Then stop pretending you're giving a remotely credible rebuttal.

Quote from: Scooter on August 10, 2023, 07:51:05 PM

Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 10, 2023, 06:53:39 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2023, 10:44:50 PM
Use the DAN jailbreak.

Sure, that works for power users but normies are going to just type in their questions and get the woke response, and Marxist revisionist history.

So true.  History has been rewritten and injected into these "AI" bots

Indeed. Most people already automatically believe whatever the first page of a google search tells them. With AI it will only get worse. Most are lazy and will always take the easiest way.

The following is a very solid (2+ hours) video discussing many of the issues associated with AI Art, including the things both sides are incorrect about. It really helped put matters into more context for me (I feel better about it in some ways, while in other ways I'm now far more cynical about the reasons its ACTUALLY being pushed... hint - its not actually to help out the little guys).