Quote from: BadApple on August 09, 2023, 07:29:40 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2023, 06:57:16 PM
In 30 minutes, I have the gunporn for one game, I still need to stat things out (if I choose to stat every one and not got Small/Medium/Large), IF I choose to go the simple way I already have the stats for those from a different project and can add the firearms list as is to the game.

If you want to stat them out individually, let me know.  I can help.

Wilco roger

I asked ChatGPT to write a review of the AD&D Player's Handbook. Overall it was solid, if generic, but here is the kicker:

Quote"Now, no review would be complete without discussing Inclusivity."

"By today's standards, AD&D had its flaws. Gender-based ability score caps and certain stereotypes in depictions are now outdated. It's a product of its time, but it's essential to view it critically while also appreciating its historical context."

The biggest danger of AI isn't that it's going to replace jobs, but that it is going to lead us into a dystopian cultural Marxist hellhole.

Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 09, 2023, 09:51:57 PM
I asked ChatGPT to write a review of the AD&D Player's Handbook. Overall it was solid, if generic, but here is the kicker:

Quote"Now, no review would be complete without discussing Inclusivity."

"By today's standards, AD&D had its flaws. Gender-based ability score caps and certain stereotypes in depictions are now outdated. It's a product of its time, but it's essential to view it critically while also appreciating its historical context."

The biggest danger of AI isn't that it's going to replace jobs, but that it is going to lead us into a dystopian cultural Marxist hellhole.

Use the DAN jailbreak.

Quote from: BadApple on August 01, 2023, 09:08:13 PM

Quote from: Scooter on August 01, 2023, 08:49:18 PM

Quote from: BadApple on August 01, 2023, 08:39:41 PM


What I'm concerned with is that AI will be used to churn out low effort, low quality, zero value material so fast it floods the market completely.

Then don't fucking buy it.  OR, are you insane and want to make it so no one else can buy what YOU don't like?  So far that is what you are saying...

Ok, so let me paint a picture for you.  I open DTRPG and I get "84 new titles since your last visit."  Do I have time to go through each and every one of them to see if I think there might be value in it for me?  Nope.  Fortunately, I can do a quick scan right now and pare that down to about 8 that I want to look over by looking at they system it runs on, dismissing publishers I know I don't care for, and ignoring VTT assets.

Now imagine if there's 85,000 new titles a day.  The reality is that there will still only be 8 that hold any interest to me but I cannot find them for the pig shit they're covered in.

Let's not kid ourselves here.  AI created games can be churned out with a few prompts, add a few AI art splashes, and dumped onto DTRPG in a matter of minutes.  The problems is, this will produce a lot of non playable and uninteresting games that no one will want.  One person could easily double the total items for sale on DTRPG in a few weeks.  A couple of dozen grifters could straight up choke the OneBookshelf servers into complete uselessness in a month.

I don't expect every TTRPG product to cater to me.  I do expect every TTRPG product to be functional and appeal to some tables somewhere or die and fade away.  I also expect honest game developers to actually care about the product they sell and to do some play testing before release.  There's a lot of dishonest publishers already and AI will enable a lot more.

There's a legitimate argument, for sure, for DTRPG to ban entirely AI-written books. I think that this is not something that will lead to a big industry shift, anyways, because writing a bunch of crap and trying to flood the market usually just kills the market, it doesn't make the flooders rich.

Quote from: BadApple on August 01, 2023, 09:59:44 PM

As I mentioned before, I think the best solution would be an "education rather than regulation" approach. 

DON'T DATE ROBOTS!!

I'll admit, I do intend to use AI in my own projects as a production aid, not a replacement for anything.

For example, I can now have character art for every throw away NPC!

Or I can use it to summarize my 12 pages of rambling notes on a specific faction into something readable then rewrite that into something moderately coherent.

Or even use it in place of the myriad of random generators already on the internet when I need names and physical descriptions.

It's a tool. That's all.

Sounds as if before too long there is going to be a market for "artisan RPG products".  Last I heard, the Shakers were still selling well enough to stay in the furniture business, even with all the shoddy alternatives available.  Whether the owners of DriveThruRPG are smart enough to cater to the market one way or the other (e.g. useful filters) remains to be seen.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on August 10, 2023, 09:25:53 AM
Sounds as if before too long there is going to be a market for "artisan RPG products".  Last I heard, the Shakers were still selling well enough to stay in the furniture business, even with all the shoddy alternatives available.  Whether the owners of DriveThruRPG are smart enough to cater to the market one way or the other (e.g. useful filters) remains to be seen.

We want some of their hickory furniture. But it's soooo expensive.

That's actually an incredible marketing niche. Imagine being able to give an AI say, the Cepheus SRD and all of Larry Corriea's Monster Hunter novels (fill in your own favorite IP), and say "create me a 2d6 game, with 6 careers, sample stats for the top 12 most commonly seen characters, etc." Or to do the same for your buddy's or young niece's random storyline/adventure/world.

Ooh. Or, as a writer, give it your own, published work, world notes, and unpublished manuscript and ask "are there any inconsistencies or continuity problems?"

Quote from: Tod13 on August 10, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
We want some of their hickory furniture. But it's soooo expensive.

That's actually an incredible marketing niche. Imagine being able to give an AI say, the Cepheus SRD and all of Larry Corriea's Monster Hunter novels (fill in your own favorite IP), and say "create me a 2d6 game, with 6 careers, sample stats for the top 12 most commonly seen characters, etc." Or to do the same for your buddy's or young niece's random storyline/adventure/world.

Ooh. Or, as a writer, give it your own, published work, world notes, and unpublished manuscript and ask "are there any inconsistencies or continuity problems?"

Okay, as someone who plays with LLM generative AI a lot (got a 3090, can run a 30b AI model locally)

They're not nearly that competent or consistent.

The thing to remember about generative AI is it looks very smart... until it turns completely fucking stupid.

Quote from: Psyckosama on August 10, 2023, 09:48:22 AM

Quote from: Tod13 on August 10, 2023, 09:32:58 AM
We want some of their hickory furniture. But it's soooo expensive.

That's actually an incredible marketing niche. Imagine being able to give an AI say, the Cepheus SRD and all of Larry Corriea's Monster Hunter novels (fill in your own favorite IP), and say "create me a 2d6 game, with 6 careers, sample stats for the top 12 most commonly seen characters, etc." Or to do the same for your buddy's or young niece's random storyline/adventure/world.

Ooh. Or, as a writer, give it your own, published work, world notes, and unpublished manuscript and ask "are there any inconsistencies or continuity problems?"

Okay, as someone who plays with LLM generative AI a lot (got a 3090, can run a 30b AI model locally)

They're not nearly that competent or consistent.

The thing to remember about generative AI is it looks very smart... until it turns completely fucking stupid.

Hence the "Imagine being able to". The point is, Steven came up with a cool idea to use AI as part of a business, instead of ignoring it and getting trampled.

Quote from: Tod13 on August 10, 2023, 09:51:48 AM

Hence the "Imagine being able to". The point is, Steven came up with a cool idea to use AI as part of a business, instead of ignoring it and getting trampled.

Nope, or at least I wouldn't put it like that.  My idea is that lousy AI will create a demand for artisans doing it the old-fashioned way.  When there is a lot of mass-produced crap, it sometimes opens up a market for hand-crafted quality.  Maybe not a dominant market--but nevertheless a useful one for the producer and the consumer of that quality alternative.  Heck, "organic food" is mostly smoke and mirrors, and it's a multi-billion dollar business. 

Not as if this is anything new, either.  "Artificially Stupid" mass produced gaming products is not the only way to have a glut of stupid stuff.  See the d20 glut for another example.  It's just the latest way to do it.   

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on August 10, 2023, 10:41:55 AM

Quote from: Tod13 on August 10, 2023, 09:51:48 AM

Hence the "Imagine being able to". The point is, Steven came up with a cool idea to use AI as part of a business, instead of ignoring it and getting trampled.

Nope, or at least I wouldn't put it like that.  My idea is that lousy AI will create a demand for artisans doing it the old-fashioned way.  When there is a lot of mass-produced crap, it sometimes opens up a market for hand-crafted quality.  Maybe not a dominant market--but nevertheless a useful one for the producer and the consumer of that quality alternative.  Heck, "organic food" is mostly smoke and mirrors, and it's a multi-billion dollar business. 

Not as if this is anything new, either.  "Artificially Stupid" mass produced gaming products is not the only way to have a glut of stupid stuff.  See the d20 glut for another example.  It's just the latest way to do it.   

LOL. You came up with the idea. You just didn't know it.

As always the problem is finding the good stuff.

Quote from: Tod13 on August 10, 2023, 10:57:53 AM

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on August 10, 2023, 10:41:55 AM

Quote from: Tod13 on August 10, 2023, 09:51:48 AM

Hence the "Imagine being able to". The point is, Steven came up with a cool idea to use AI as part of a business, instead of ignoring it and getting trampled.

Nope, or at least I wouldn't put it like that.  My idea is that lousy AI will create a demand for artisans doing it the old-fashioned way.  When there is a lot of mass-produced crap, it sometimes opens up a market for hand-crafted quality.  Maybe not a dominant market--but nevertheless a useful one for the producer and the consumer of that quality alternative.  Heck, "organic food" is mostly smoke and mirrors, and it's a multi-billion dollar business. 

Not as if this is anything new, either.  "Artificially Stupid" mass produced gaming products is not the only way to have a glut of stupid stuff.  See the d20 glut for another example.  It's just the latest way to do it.   

LOL. You came up with the idea. You just didn't know it.

As always the problem is finding the good stuff.

There's NO WAY to "Mass Produce" RPGs using any of the bots, I doubt we'll see one that can in the near future.

So far it's only use is to speed research, spit out lists of names to build a table one column at the time and maybe to give you the starting point of an adventure, because all the bots ARE incredibly stupid (probably because their programmers are stupid too).

So, unless someone tells you they used a bot (or they just prompt it and sell exactly that drivel without any work), how are you going to know if they used the bot as a tool? The speed of publishing? I can artificially slow it (supossing it really allowed me to publish faster which I doubt).

Unlike furniture (which can be mass produced with every item being identical to the others) there's no blueprint/STL/etc you can use to program the bot to spit out a finished game or module.

Think of it like the difference between buying your lumber from a yard or going and cutting the trees yourself, then milling the wood, drying it and after a few years being able to use it to make a chair. The bot can speed up your process by speeding up the research, that's all.

The bots are stupid because they're stochastic parrots. They don't understand anything. They've been trained to produce output we find superficially comprehensible based on statistical analysis of our writings.

Which is why it's such a stupid idea to outsource our own thinking to bots. Your brain works like muscle: if you don't exercise your intellect and imagination, then your mind atrophies.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
The bots are stupid because they're stochastic parrots. They don't understand anything. They've been trained to produce output we find superficially comprehensible based on statistical analysis of our writings.

Which is why it's such a stupid idea to outsource our own thinking to bots. Your brain works like muscle: if you don't exercise your intellect and imagination, then your mind atrophies.

What is understanding?