Quote from: BadApple on August 01, 2023, 11:32:50 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2023, 11:23:49 PM
Well, if it's better than some of the crap already there...

where's the harm?

Mother fucker...

You know what, just go ahead and PM me with your personal contact info so I can gift you with one of these gems.  After you spend the 2 minutes it takes to read it and 20 minutes to figure out what it's supposed to be, post here whether or not that's something you want encouraged.  A thousand of these things a day being uploaded to DTRPG will end my relationship with them.

Language...

Didn't you say it was better than what's vhis face?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 02, 2023, 12:05:04 AM

Quote from: BadApple on August 01, 2023, 11:32:50 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2023, 11:23:49 PM
Well, if it's better than some of the crap already there...

where's the harm?

Mother fucker...

You know what, just go ahead and PM me with your personal contact info so I can gift you with one of these gems.  After you spend the 2 minutes it takes to read it and 20 minutes to figure out what it's supposed to be, post here whether or not that's something you want encouraged.  A thousand of these things a day being uploaded to DTRPG will end my relationship with them.

Language...

Didn't you say it was better than what's vhis face?

Actually, his crap makes me think he's actually using ChatGPT.  It's usually a brief, one page description of a situation.  No developed NPCs, no developed explanation of the situation for the GM to play off of, no maps, nothing.  Everything is "player: here's the situation" and "GMs: this is the hidden fact and roll on this table in three days."

OTOH, Old School Roleplaying does 25-40 page adventures that really fill in all the necessary gaps for a GM to prep a session.  Same audience, same price point, way better product.  NPCs with stat blocks and necessary descriptors, locations, events, and branching results make them a good buy IMO.

Quote from: BadApple on August 02, 2023, 12:44:31 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 02, 2023, 12:05:04 AM

Quote from: BadApple on August 01, 2023, 11:32:50 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2023, 11:23:49 PM
Well, if it's better than some of the crap already there...

where's the harm?

Mother fucker...

You know what, just go ahead and PM me with your personal contact info so I can gift you with one of these gems.  After you spend the 2 minutes it takes to read it and 20 minutes to figure out what it's supposed to be, post here whether or not that's something you want encouraged.  A thousand of these things a day being uploaded to DTRPG will end my relationship with them.

Language...

Didn't you say it was better than what's vhis face?

Actually, his crap makes me think he's actually using ChatGPT.  It's usually a brief, one page description of a situation.  No developed NPCs, no developed explanation of the situation for the GM to play off of, no maps, nothing.  Everything is "player: here's the situation" and "GMs: this is the hidden fact and roll on this table in three days."

OTOH, Old School Roleplaying does 25-40 page adventures that really fill in all the necessary gaps for a GM to prep a session.  Same audience, same price point, way better product.  NPCs with stat blocks and necessary descriptors, locations, events, and branching results make them a good buy IMO.

Well if what's his face is using chatgpt he's a lazy fucker, he's not doing the work to have a good product, like I said, it can generate an adventure, usually a one page thing, but if you want it fleshed out you need to either keep prompting it to expand on the different parts or you need to flesh it out yourself.

Even if you keep prompting it you'll still need to do some work to have a decent product. Not only editing, you'll need to check for consistency since it fails at that.

I tried.

What I'm using it for is to produce the different columns of my tables.

It's so retarded it won't produce evil NPCs that are nazis, really, I asked it to do it. But it had no problem producing evil NPCs that were commies.

At best it can be used to generate a seed for an adventure if you're blocked. Then comes the hard part, now turn that one page into something worth my money (not that I'd buy adventures or modules, mine are always better than what I find in the market).

Quote from: GhostNinja on August 01, 2023, 11:15:12 AM
Your thoughts?

DTRPG already has a glut of low effort products. I approve of their decision, but it's like browsing Steam and getting through all the shovelware to find the few gems.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 02, 2023, 12:56:32 AM
It's so retarded it won't produce evil NPCs that are nazis, really, I asked it to do it. But it had no problem producing evil NPCs that were commies.

Mercy, dude, I need to be able to breath.  That's just too funny. 

I find it funny that you're not allowed to demonize Nazis but you are allowed to demonize commies with a AI system that's being managed by lefties.  That's some straight 4chan /pol/ shit right there.

Quote from: BadApple on August 02, 2023, 01:23:01 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 02, 2023, 12:56:32 AM
It's so retarded it won't produce evil NPCs that are nazis, really, I asked it to do it. But it had no problem producing evil NPCs that were commies.

Mercy, dude, I need to be able to breath.  That's just too funny. 

I find it funny that you're not allowed to demonize Nazis but you are allowed to demonize commies with a AI system that's being managed by lefties.  That's some straight 4chan /pol/ shit right there.

I made a thread in pundit's forum where I posted the screencap.

Quote from: BadApple on August 02, 2023, 12:44:31 AM


Actually, his crap makes me think he's actually using ChatGPT.  It's usually a brief, one page description of a situation.  No developed NPCs, no developed explanation of the situation for the GM to play off of, no maps, nothing.  Everything is "player: here's the situation" and "GMs: this is the hidden fact and roll on this table in three days."

How many of Michael Brown's adventures have you bought? What sample size are you basing this opinion on?

While I am firmly of the opinion that humans are still far superior at writing to ChatGPT, I have to be honest and say that your average DTRPG supplement is not a good place to run a comparison. The majority of content on DTRPG probably could be written by AI, or could be in the near future.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 02, 2023, 12:56:32 AM
like I said, it can generate an adventure, usually a one page thing, but if you want it fleshed out you need to either keep prompting it to expand on the different parts or you need to flesh it out yourself.

Even if you keep prompting it you'll still need to do some work to have a decent product. Not only editing, you'll need to check for consistency since it fails at that.

Correct it makes huge logic and consistency errors as there is ZERO actual thought occurring with the s/w. It has a been a complete fail in our tests trying to create news article submissions on behalf of our clients.  These are articles "written" around different aspects of IT sec based on the products the client offers and different types of threats happening.

Quote from: Fheredin on August 02, 2023, 08:23:58 AM
The majority of content on DTRPG probably could be written by AI, or could be in the near future.

I feel that is true everywhere, for all writing.

Even with the publisher we like, we don't care for the writing in half the novels.

Weirdly, I just ran into the first RPG where I just could not wrap my head around how the rules were written. But I'm positive Index Card RPG did not use AI.

My wife (and I) will continue writing stories and novels and RPGs regardless of AI. Because we have to. (She's the novel/story instigator and I'm the RPG one.)

I played with ChatGPT. These algorithms have discouraged me from pursuing writing, even as a side hobby. I'm still trying, but I get increasingly anxious and doubtful as time goes on.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 02, 2023, 09:20:23 AM
I played with ChatGPT. These algorithms have discouraged me from pursuing writing, even as a side hobby. I'm still trying, but I get increasingly anxious and doubtful as time goes on.

Most writers are capable of at least IKEA level quality. AI is the equivalent in quality of buying Chinese-made IKEA knockoffs, while exceptional writers give you handcrafted furniture that will be in your family for generations.

The end product is probably worth the cost difference in both cases.

Quote from: jeff37923 on August 02, 2023, 07:46:56 AM
How many of Michael Brown's adventures have you bought? What sample size are you basing this opinion on?

How many have I bought, or how many have I read?  In this context I think reading them is more important than owning them.  I would say I've gone through probably 40 of his adventures trying to stir the cranium juices for session prep before I realized he's not really offering me anything.  Essentially, he's writing the back cover of adventure modules and expecting the GM to actually create the adventure. 

I own a few of his products, a handful of adventures and some of his other supplements.  This includes two of his alternate settings for Cepheus Engine.  Yeah... Just low effort stuff...

This could easily lead to me ranting on why I think a digital lending library is a good idea.  I will always buy the books I think are worth it but don't try to scam me.

Quote from: Tod13 on August 02, 2023, 08:49:22 AM
Weirdly, I just ran into the first RPG where I just could not wrap my head around how the rules were written. But I'm positive Index Card RPG did not use AI.

Sorry about that.  I'm the one who brought it up to you.  It makes a lot of sense to me but then I've been watching his YT content for a long time.  Hank does have his own style.  Maybe it helps that I'm also ADD?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 02, 2023, 09:20:23 AM
I played with ChatGPT. These algorithms have discouraged me from pursuing writing, even as a side hobby. I'm still trying, but I get increasingly anxious and doubtful as time goes on.

Why? ChatGPT and all the various LLM are fantastic at idea generation but horrible in producing consitent thematic long form content.    That requires a human being as there are areas that the AI cannot comprehend as it does not retain all the information that you have in your discussion stored into memory and it is unable to reference concepts brought up minutes earlier.    This requires allowing the AI access to storage/retention that ChatGPT just does not have in it's current state.  Other AI apps are starting to embrace this concept but we are at the baby stages here.

Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 02, 2023, 09:47:50 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 02, 2023, 09:20:23 AM
I played with ChatGPT. These algorithms have discouraged me from pursuing writing, even as a side hobby. I'm still trying, but I get increasingly anxious and doubtful as time goes on.

Why? ChatGPT and all the various LLM are fantastic at idea generation but horrible in producing consitent thematic long form content.    That requires a human being as there are areas that the AI cannot comprehend as it does not retain all the information that you have in your discussion stored into memory and it is unable to reference concepts brought up minutes earlier.    This requires allowing the AI access to storage/retention that ChatGPT just does not have in it's current state.  Other AI apps are starting to embrace this concept but we are at the baby stages here.

I've actually found it terrible at idea generation too, but that's probably because I'm too creative for it. I read so many books across fantasy and scifi growing up in the pre-smartphone era.

I asked it to generate ideas for names for wizard orders, and it gives me painfully banal and nonspecific answers like "the Arcane Order." Asking it to generate names via portmanteau produces similar uninteresting and nonsensical results. It can't replicate Warhammer Fantasy level of invented names, and GW just smashes words together to get trademarkable material that sounds vaguely Anglo-Saxon, Norman or Roman.

The problem is that this drek is plenty sufficient for most people. It will drown out actual quality through sheer volume and attrition.