The entire article can be found here:   https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2023/07/drivethrurpg-brings-down-the-ban-hammer-on-ai-written-content.html

Here are some of the highlights:

"The following policy applies to DriveThru Marketplaces. DriveThruRPG defines "AI-Generated art" as images created through the use of artificial intelligence algorithms and techniques trained on pre-existing data sets. (Examples: Midjourney, Artbreeder).

At this time, DriveThru Marketplaces require partners to set their own AI-generated artwork policies on Game, Rulebook and Adventure products. Any products that utilize AI-generated artwork must be tagged as such.
At this time, DriveThru Marketplaces do not accept standalone artwork products that utilize AI-generated art.
Update July 19th, 2023: While we value innovation, starting on July 31st 2023, Roll20 and DriveThru Marketplaces will not accept commercial content primarily written by AI language generators. We acknowledge enforcement challenges, and trust in the goodwill of our partners to offer customers unique works based primarily on human creativity. As with our AI-generated art policy, community content program policies are dictated by the publisher that owns it.
"


Your thoughts?

I decided to avoid AI in my products for the time being, even before this decision.

But anyway, AI art is already common in DTRPG.

What they are trying to avoid is AI DRIVEL; things with no significant human input (e.g., AI stock art, AI-generated text).

There are a few examples in DTRPG too. It is a bit annoying.

But I think it is inevitable that AI (or at least AI-assisted) stuff will take over DTRPG soon.

In six months to a year, most art will be AI-generated or at least AI-assisted.

For text, it will be indistinguishable soon.

I am a bit anxious about that scenario (for fear of becoming obsolete as a writer), but let's see what happens.

AI-Art is gonna have a watermark so they can identify it (unless you can crop it out?)

What I want to know is how the fuck are they going to KNOW that something was written by AI?

My guess it's it'll be by users reporting the content, which we all know won't be abused for ideological reasons ever...

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2023, 11:38:47 AM
AI-Art is gonna have a watermark so they can identify it (unless you can crop it out?)

What I want to know is how the fuck are they going to KNOW that something was written by AI?

My guess it's it'll be by users reporting the content, which we all know won't be abused for ideological reasons ever...

Exactly. How will they even be able to tell the difference between AI art that's 100% AI created vs stuff that's been modified by humans?

This entire thing is just virtue signaling to appease the luddites raging against AI. And I don't even entirely disagree that there are some valid (but widely overblown) concerns about AI generated content. But this is just shaking their fist against the clouds, and it's ultimately gonna end up being arbitrarily enforced, likely against ideological wrongthinkers.

Cat's out of the bag. AI already exists. AI content is inevitable.

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 01, 2023, 12:46:55 PM
Cat's out of the bag. AI already exists. AI content is inevitable.

Fair enough but I see it more akin to bioweapon research. Just a timebomb around with more ego then ethics.
Nothing good will come of it.

All it takes is to have a human being altar the output of an AI generated piece and they can't say a damn thing.  20% change is all it takes to be "transformative" which, by DMCA law, makes it a new and unique piece. 


Midjourney already says they allow you use of the content upto $1M worth of revune for the art piece,you now have a license to use AI generated art from the software company that provides the service.

They're trying to keep out AI drivel created by idiots who want to make a fast buck. As someone who would never play or run AI written material, I support this stance. Some things are just better without computers. That's a hill I will die on.

Quote from: rytrasmi on August 01, 2023, 01:52:43 PM
They're trying to keep out AI drivel created by idiots who want to make a fast buck. As someone who would never play or run AI written material, I support this stance. Some things are just better without computers. That's a hill I will die on.

Preventing this drivel from being tossed out there will be a blessing in disguise.  Even some of the user created content is barely better than AI crap but the market makes that chuff be driven to the bottom of the trashpile

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2023, 11:38:47 AM
AI-Art is gonna have a watermark so they can identify it (unless you can crop it out?)

What I want to know is how the fuck are they going to KNOW that something was written by AI?

My guess it's it'll be by users reporting the content, which we all know won't be abused for ideological reasons ever...

It get abused? How can you say such a thing about drivethrurpg   

I wish they would just be a content store and stop arbitrating what is right and wrong.  I know it won't happen but I can wish.

This is why we need someone else in the market with the money and the backing to give them competition.

Quote from: rytrasmi on August 01, 2023, 01:52:43 PM
They're trying to keep out AI drivel created by idiots who want to make a fast buck. As someone who would never play or run AI written material, I support this stance. Some things are just better without computers. That's a hill I will die on.

Since I only use print and despise .pdfs it won't effect me unless they sell something on the site that I can get printed and uses AI drivel.   I don't really care about art in rpgs that much so it's not a big deal to me.

Quote from: GhostNinja on August 01, 2023, 11:15:12 AM
The entire article can be found here:   https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2023/07/drivethrurpg-brings-down-the-ban-hammer-on-ai-written-content.html

Here are some of the highlights:

"The following policy applies to DriveThru Marketplaces. DriveThruRPG defines "AI-Generated art" as images created through the use of artificial intelligence algorithms and techniques trained on pre-existing data sets. (Examples: Midjourney, Artbreeder).

At this time, DriveThru Marketplaces require partners to set their own AI-generated artwork policies on Game, Rulebook and Adventure products. Any products that utilize AI-generated artwork must be tagged as such.
At this time, DriveThru Marketplaces do not accept standalone artwork products that utilize AI-generated art.
Update July 19th, 2023: While we value innovation, starting on July 31st 2023, Roll20 and DriveThru Marketplaces will not accept commercial content primarily written by AI language generators. We acknowledge enforcement challenges, and trust in the goodwill of our partners to offer customers unique works based primarily on human creativity. As with our AI-generated art policy, community content program policies are dictated by the publisher that owns it.
"


Your thoughts?

Good for DriveThruRPG!

At this point, after seeing the results of AI art and chatbot output, I'm pretty sure that the widespread use of AI will strongly contribute to the dumbing down of humanity.

There is apparently still AI art for sale as stock art, so maybe this is "from now on" or "only if someone complains".

It saddens me to see how many are so quick to embrace this without stoping to think a little bit as to the end result, let me elaborate:

You, John Doe won't be able to use free art that looks kinda decent, you'll be forced to use the same public domain art everybody else is using, pony up money for shitty art (since you don't have the money) or don't use ANY art at all. Thus making your product less visually appealing than the big boys who can pay for good art.

You, John Doe will be under the sword of Damocles of your shit being reported as AI written by any asshole and we know how DTTRPG handles those things, your shit gets taken down until they investigate or you can prove a negative, but the big boys won't be ever under such a threat because who would believe you if you said WotKKK used AI to write their next bullshit setting?

And the big boys have the money to install and run their own AI and train it with their own old shit so they could perfectly use AI and no one would know.

So, in the end this is just another example of a regulation "to protect the consumer" being really a regulation to protect the big boys.

It's a big club and you're not in it.

I'm under no illusion that any of the AI hatting people will change their tune, "it's gonna flood DTTRPG with badly written drivel!" Dude, have you been to DTTRPG latelly? It is already flooded with shit! By design if you ask me, it makes it harder for the small player to be found while not affecting the big boys in the very least.

Well, I wasn't planning on publishing ttrpgs anyway. Now I never will.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2023, 04:42:12 PMYou, John Doe won't be able to use free art that looks kinda decent, you'll be forced to use the same public domain art everybody else is using, pony up money for shitty art (since you don't have the money) or don't use ANY art at all. Thus making your product less visually appealing than the big boys who can pay for good art.

With AI everywhere fancy art doesn't actually stand out. Its seen as a mandate as when EVERYTHING has fancy art, nothing has fancy art.
The key to success remains marketting and brand recognition which the big boys will have no matter what tech innovations come into existence.
The only difference is that anything you do as a writer and an artist is always under threat. The big boys have the MOST to profit from this. Their fucking adapting for it and funding it the most.

QuoteWell what I do is special, and won't be replaced

Just like the people your rooting for to be replaced that at one point where irreplacable?
Can you think ahead of your immediate short term benefit for ONE step?