Quote from: squirewaldo on February 24, 2023, 11:18:49 PM
If there are more people like me, perhaps not likely, then you guys better start doing something to make BGE and other sites work, or create something that does so to your delicate sensibilities and satisfaction. Since you guys will not support websites trying to do something positive, won't create something better... Good luck. Take care, and let me know when the revolution starts.

Someplace like BGE needs to at least try to meet regular customers halfway by offering something more than edgelord garbage and a few OSR products (OSR is a niche of a niche and it's not automatic that those who aren't woke actually like it. I didn't enjoy it when it was genuine Basic/AD&D either... the closest I get to OSR is Palladium Fantasy*).

It's like offering a buffet of horse droppings and broccoli and wondering why no one is buying.

* speaking of... even Palladium's storefront is better organized than BGE.

Quote from: Zelen on February 25, 2023, 03:13:57 AM
I'm honestly surprised Amazon isn't the bigger issue here, since so many people are likely to have Kindle/Audible.

Does Amazon even sell PDFs? I think the Kindle marketplace is geared around their proprietary DRMed spinoff version of .mobi ebook files. Even if they did, I suspect they would be DRMed PDFs, and that didn't work well when OBS or RPGNow (I forget which it was) tried it back in the beginning. Gamers didn't buy them.

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 24, 2023, 11:18:49 PMIf there are more people like me, perhaps not likely, then you guys better start doing something to make BGE and other sites work, or create something that does so to your delicate sensibilities and satisfaction.

"Delicate sensibilities and satisfaction" = expecting a store that wants my business to sell me something I want. Got it.

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 24, 2023, 11:18:49 PMSince you guys will not support websites trying to do something positive

Literally nobody has said that, despite what you and a couple other posters keep trying to imply.

What people are saying is that, in and of itself, "trying to do better" is not enough. There are no blue ribbon "participation awards" in running a business. It's not a second grade spelling bee.

I made my first purchase on BGE the other day and it was pretty painless.

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 25, 2023, 01:10:54 AM
In the ongoing drama of DTRPG, I have had 8 new reviews left today. All negative. More reviews than I have received in the last 10 years. Positive reviews have disappeared. Ok.

Again, I am left the with the curious question: Am I really worth all this effort?

I guess I will just pull everything from DTRPG, shut everything down until July 21, 2023, when my 'exclusivity' terms expire, and see what happens after that. It seems pointless to continue with them.

Until that time my games will be available on my website: https://www.bozbat.com/.

If you can prove OBS removed your positive reviews, you could have something there.

Quote from: FingerRod on February 25, 2023, 08:34:32 AM

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 25, 2023, 01:10:54 AM
In the ongoing drama of DTRPG, I have had 8 new reviews left today. All negative. More reviews than I have received in the last 10 years. Positive reviews have disappeared. Ok.

Again, I am left the with the curious question: Am I really worth all this effort?

I guess I will just pull everything from DTRPG, shut everything down until July 21, 2023, when my 'exclusivity' terms expire, and see what happens after that. It seems pointless to continue with them.

Until that time my games will be available on my website: https://www.bozbat.com/.

If you can prove OBS removed your positive reviews, you could have something there.

Hahahahahahaha! How would I prove that? I don't have access to their server, and I don't think asking nicely is going to help. I have been asking nicely about some irritating things going on for about a year and it has escalated to this.

It might not even be them. It might be aliens from Mars hacking their system just to screw with me!?

What ever it is... What DTRPG does is beyond my control. What is in my control is to never buy from them again!

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 25, 2023, 09:36:00 AM

Quote from: FingerRod on February 25, 2023, 08:34:32 AM

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 25, 2023, 01:10:54 AM
In the ongoing drama of DTRPG, I have had 8 new reviews left today. All negative. More reviews than I have received in the last 10 years. Positive reviews have disappeared. Ok.

Again, I am left the with the curious question: Am I really worth all this effort?

I guess I will just pull everything from DTRPG, shut everything down until July 21, 2023, when my 'exclusivity' terms expire, and see what happens after that. It seems pointless to continue with them.

Until that time my games will be available on my website: https://www.bozbat.com/.

If you can prove OBS removed your positive reviews, you could have something there.

Hahahahahahaha! How would I prove that? I don't have access to their server, and I don't think asking nicely is going to help. I have been asking nicely about some irritating things going on for about a year and it has escalated to this.

It might not even be them. It might be aliens from Mars hacking their system just to screw with me!?

What ever it is... What DTRPG does is beyond my control. What is in my control is to never buy from them again!

You have become increasingly unhinged as this thread has progressed. Good luck with your games.

Quote from: FingerRod on February 25, 2023, 11:36:43 AM

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 25, 2023, 09:36:00 AM

Quote from: FingerRod on February 25, 2023, 08:34:32 AM

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 25, 2023, 01:10:54 AM
In the ongoing drama of DTRPG, I have had 8 new reviews left today. All negative. More reviews than I have received in the last 10 years. Positive reviews have disappeared. Ok.

Again, I am left the with the curious question: Am I really worth all this effort?

I guess I will just pull everything from DTRPG, shut everything down until July 21, 2023, when my 'exclusivity' terms expire, and see what happens after that. It seems pointless to continue with them.

Until that time my games will be available on my website: https://www.bozbat.com/.

If you can prove OBS removed your positive reviews, you could have something there.

Hahahahahahaha! How would I prove that? I don't have access to their server, and I don't think asking nicely is going to help. I have been asking nicely about some irritating things going on for about a year and it has escalated to this.

It might not even be them. It might be aliens from Mars hacking their system just to screw with me!?

What ever it is... What DTRPG does is beyond my control. What is in my control is to never buy from them again!

You have become increasingly unhinged as this thread has progressed. Good luck with your games.

Ok. Thank you for sharing your opinion with me. I am just stating facts that I must admit are very confusing to me. I am trying not to speculate beyond what I know. I will leave that to others although I am sure people have better things to do...

I don't see anything wrong with what Squirewaldo said.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 25, 2023, 01:12:45 PM
I don't see anything wrong with what Squirewaldo said.

Me either... unless I missed something?

Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 25, 2023, 01:12:45 PM
I don't see anything wrong with what Squirewaldo said.

It is just a falacious argument made to discredit someone: If you cannot prove X (usually something you did not state) the facts you stated are untrue! Therefore you are either crazy, misinformed, a liar, or all of the above!

What I know: positive reviews were removed and 8 negative reviews were added in a period of about 1 hour (more reviews than I have ever received during the life of my little account) -- the positive reviews came with comments and were not anonymous, the negative reviews were without comments and thus anonymous. I have been having problems with DTRPG for about a year that have been getting progressively worse, and in my opinion petty.

I did not state that DTRPG did this. I acknowledge it could be someone or something else. It could be some sort of glitch that will be fixed... Just because all the evidence points to DTRPG being the obvious culprit does not mean they did it. Plus, I have no way of knowing if it was them or someone or something else. I cannot even prove it happened since I did not keep evidence of the positive comments.

I decided to simply unpublish everything on DTRPG for now. Continuing to have my work there only invites further abuse from whoever or whatever is doing this.

I have also unpublished everything from other 3rd party websites as DTRPG has instructed me to do -- work that I have never posted on DTRPG. I disagree with their interpretation of the exclusionary rule (I believe it only covers PDFs I have posted on DTRPG not all work globally), but even if I am right it is not worth fighting with them. On July 21, 2023, my exclusionary period ends according to their own clear statements. I will be able to post anywhere according to their own interpretation.

Maybe I will even give DTRPG another chance. How can it hurt? Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 25, 2023, 01:25:53 PM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 25, 2023, 01:12:45 PM
I don't see anything wrong with what Squirewaldo said.

Me either... unless I missed something?

You did, bud. Go back and look at his posts throughout this thread. And also look at mine.

I have said from the beginning that, like him, I do not give OBS my money. Even if the Red Room situation was a case of them bringing it upon themselves.

He then starts talking about this place in generalizations. His quote: "Since you guys will not support websites....." etc was one example.

Despite that, I try to toss him support by pointing out that if he could show that his positive reviews were removed by OBS he could have something. Meaning maybe he could get out of his non-compete. Maybe he could even prove damages.

He started talking about Mars and doing his hahahahahaha bullshit. If anyone thinks there wouldn't be a digital footprint left when the 8 good reviews were removed then they do not understand the way things work. But somehow my statement was an attack.

And he is taking it further by claiming I am making a fallacious argument and trying to discredit him. Again, I have shown nothing but support with all of my comments.

So yes this dude is unhinged. He is seeing enemies where they don't exists. He is making sweeping generalizations about the forum posters because people are pointing out how shitty of a site BGE is. Go back and look at the posts.

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 24, 2023, 11:18:49 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 24, 2023, 03:23:04 PM


Boycotting OBS is pointless if there's no viable alternative site to sell products from. You just kill the OSR, the only viable remaining movement with anti-woke activism, while OBS takes at most a minor hit.  You're stabbing yourself in the jugular, hoping that some of your blood might stain your enemy's pretty dress.

The answer is CREATE A FUCKING FREE-SPEECH RPG-SELLER WEBSITE THAT WORKS. BGE at this moment is not it.

If the OSR depends upon OBS/DTRPG to survive... does it deserve to survive?

If it doesn't, then you don't have a hobby anymore. The entire hobby will belong to the Stalinists. You'll have been a useful idiot who did their job for them by not supporting the game designers who actually stand up to wokeness.

Quote from: Zelen on February 25, 2023, 03:13:57 AM
I'd like to know the percentage of sales for RPG products from DTRPG vs. other sources (e.g. Itch, Gumroad, Amazon, etc).

I'm honestly surprised Amazon isn't the bigger issue here, since so many people are likely to have Kindle/Audible.

Amazon sales of those books of mine that are on Amazon are pretty good, but these tend to be more of the print editions than the electronic ones. I suspect this is because people tend to do one-stop shopping of RPG stuff on DTRPG. That's what any competitor to DTRPG is up against, the dude earlier in this thread was completely right that UTILITY is the central thing that any competitor (including BGE) needs to focus on.  If your site isn't easy to use, easy to find stuff, easy to get shown stuff that is actually similar to the stuff you like so you can discover new product, you won't beat DTRPG, even if your prices are lower.

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 25, 2023, 05:49:38 PM

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 24, 2023, 11:18:49 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 24, 2023, 03:23:04 PM


Boycotting OBS is pointless if there's no viable alternative site to sell products from. You just kill the OSR, the only viable remaining movement with anti-woke activism, while OBS takes at most a minor hit.  You're stabbing yourself in the jugular, hoping that some of your blood might stain your enemy's pretty dress.

The answer is CREATE A FUCKING FREE-SPEECH RPG-SELLER WEBSITE THAT WORKS. BGE at this moment is not it.

If the OSR depends upon OBS/DTRPG to survive... does it deserve to survive?

If it doesn't, then you don't have a hobby anymore. The entire hobby will belong to the Stalinists. You'll have been a useful idiot who did their job for them by not supporting the game designers who actually stand up to wokeness.

So I must support abusive woke marxist bastards in order not to be a useful idiot... Maybe I should start knitting... oh never mind. Whittling perhaps. No wokistas in whittling are there?