Quote from: jhkim on February 17, 2023, 07:06:33 PM
Thus far, it is significant, but they're carrying many thousands of RPG titles. They don't seem to be like RPGnet supposedly is with frequent bans. In fact, their bans seem less frequent than RPGPundit's bans.

Emphasis mine.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 17, 2023, 07:13:51 PM

Quote from: jhkim on February 17, 2023, 07:06:33 PM
Thus far, it is significant, but they're carrying many thousands of RPG titles. They don't seem to be like RPGnet supposedly is with frequent bans. In fact, their bans seem less frequent than RPGPundit's bans.

Emphasis mine.

To be clear: I'm not doubting that they have frequent bans. I've just never hung out there myself - just briefly read. I don't want to make claims about stuff that I have no direct knowledge of.

They yeeted a gamergate card game, also nuked red rooms entire account not just the offending title

Red Room was seemingly banned because they complained publicly. If they'd just sat quietly by, Drivethru would have banned the book and everything would have continued on until RR published something else that someone found offensive. But RR complained about the book being taken down on Twitter which is what Drivethru called "hostile marketing," and thus the whole account was banned.

I just have to wonder how many smaller items have been quietly shut down. How many small publishers get a title taken down and never raise a stink about it online, either because of the rules or because they just don't care? It could easily be none or dozens, and we have no way to know.

Quote from: Ocule on February 17, 2023, 07:49:00 PM
They yeeted a gamergate card game, also nuked red rooms entire account not just the offending title

Right. They did the same with Transfelinism Games over their anti-police RPG, because Transfelinism supposedly posted false claims about what DriveThruRPG had done. (And again, "supposedly" doesn't mean I doubt it, just that I don't have direct knowledge one way or the other.) So the list that I have so far is:

• "#GamerGate" card game by Desborough in 2014 (single product)
• "Tournament of Rapists" by Scorched Urf' Studios in 2015 (single product)
• Zak Smith products in 2019 (everything by author)
• Transfelinism products in 2019 (everything from company)
• "The Good Syma'arian" by Venger Satanis in 2022 (single product)
• Dave Johnson Games in 2022 (everything from company)
• "Black Sun over Europe" by SquireWaldo in 2023 (single product)
• Red Room in 2023 (everything from publisher)

Single product bans being like thread bans, and publisher/author bans being permanent bans from the site.

Also, does anyone have a list of theRPGsite bans for comparison? I can recall psiandco, Alathon, griswald, and Pat (and SHARK temporarily) as recent ones - but my memory isn't great for earlier ones. Offhand I can think of Biscuitician and 5stonegames by name, but I know there are a bunch more.

It isn't worth making a list over. And Pundit has nothing to do with OBS. Anybody who knowingly goes down that rabbit hole is an actual moron.

OBS's censorship speaks for itself. You either agree with it or you don't. Period.

sum tard was offended by the black sun symbol which they had never seen before in their life until they saw racist frog memes use it.

Quote from: jhkim on February 17, 2023, 11:00:31 PM

Right. They did the same with Transfelinism Games over their anti-police RPG, because Transfelinism supposedly posted false claims about what DriveThruRPG had done. (And again, "supposedly" doesn't mean I doubt it, just that I don't have direct knowledge one way or the other.) So the list that I have so far is:

• "#GamerGate" card game by Desborough in 2014 (single product)
• "Tournament of Rapists" by Scorched Urf' Studios in 2015 (single product)
• Zak Smith products in 2019 (everything by author)
• Transfelinism products in 2019 (everything from company)
• "The Good Syma'arian" by Venger Satanis in 2022 (single product)
• Dave Johnson Games in 2022 (everything from company)
• "Black Sun over Europe" by SquireWaldo in 2023 (single product)
• Red Room in 2023 (everything from publisher)

Single product bans being like thread bans, and publisher/author bans being permanent bans from the site.

Judges Guild got nuked (full ban) for public antisemitic posts on facebook (real and confirmed by Bob II, not misuse of the label or misunderstanding his point) in early 2020. Most (all?) the industry on the left and right did the same (with some edge cases such as a sublicensed reprint kickstarter that was ready to launch). Put the last nails in the coffin of JG's off the rails and way behind schedule KS (a 8 years late and counting).

Quote from: jhkim on February 17, 2023, 11:00:31 PM

Quote from: Ocule on February 17, 2023, 07:49:00 PM
They yeeted a gamergate card game, also nuked red rooms entire account not just the offending title

Right. They did the same with Transfelinism Games over their anti-police RPG, because Transfelinism supposedly posted false claims about what DriveThruRPG had done. (And again, "supposedly" doesn't mean I doubt it, just that I don't have direct knowledge one way or the other.) So the list that I have so far is:

• "#GamerGate" card game by Desborough in 2014 (single product)
• "Tournament of Rapists" by Scorched Urf' Studios in 2015 (single product)
• Zak Smith products in 2019 (everything by author)
• Transfelinism products in 2019 (everything from company)
• "The Good Syma'arian" by Venger Satanis in 2022 (single product)
• Dave Johnson Games in 2022 (everything from company)
• "Black Sun over Europe" by SquireWaldo in 2023 (single product)
• Red Room in 2023 (everything from publisher)

Single product bans being like thread bans, and publisher/author bans being permanent bans from the site.

Also, does anyone have a list of theRPGsite bans for comparison? I can recall psiandco, Alathon, griswald, and Pat (and SHARK temporarily) as recent ones - but my memory isn't great for earlier ones. Offhand I can think of Biscuitician and 5stonegames by name, but I know there are a bunch more.

Because getting banned from this forum impacts your livelihood right?

What part of this forum rules aren't crystal clear?

The anti-semitism?

The not posting on a thread you were banned from? (Sure, enough time and you might forget so on this one I think the bann should be temporal not permanent).

The no politics unless directly related with TTRPGs?

I still miss Pat, I wish his ban was lifted.

That said, how much money does one loose if Pundit bans you?

I can go talk shit somewhere else, heck I can even criticize Pundit, here and anywhere else and not get banned.

But you go ahead caping for the censorious corporation, you seem to do much caping for corporations for a leftist.

GeekyBugle - you're the one arguing that censorship is OK as long as it doesn't impact someone's livelihood, or as long as the rules are clear, or as long as you're censoring anti-semitism, etc. You're giving excuses for censorship. By your logic, it's OK to censor a free product like "The Good Syma'arian".

I'm saying that censorship is censorship. I don't like it regardless of who is doing it.

It's Pundit's forum and he has the legal right to do it, just as OBS has the right to choose what they sell. But they are engaging in censorship.

The best I can say about both is that it seems infrequent.

Quote from: jhkim on February 17, 2023, 11:00:31 PM

Quote from: Ocule on February 17, 2023, 07:49:00 PM
They yeeted a gamergate card game, also nuked red rooms entire account not just the offending title

Right. They did the same with Transfelinism Games over their anti-police RPG, because Transfelinism supposedly posted false claims about what DriveThruRPG had done. (And again, "supposedly" doesn't mean I doubt it, just that I don't have direct knowledge one way or the other.) So the list that I have so far is:

• "#GamerGate" card game by Desborough in 2014 (single product)
• "Tournament of Rapists" by Scorched Urf' Studios in 2015 (single product)
• Zak Smith products in 2019 (everything by author)
• Transfelinism products in 2019 (everything from company)
• "The Good Syma'arian" by Venger Satanis in 2022 (single product)
• Dave Johnson Games in 2022 (everything from company)
• "Black Sun over Europe" by SquireWaldo in 2023 (single product)
• Red Room in 2023 (everything from publisher)

Single product bans being like thread bans, and publisher/author bans being permanent bans from the site.

Also, does anyone have a list of theRPGsite bans for comparison? I can recall psiandco, Alathon, griswald, and Pat (and SHARK temporarily) as recent ones - but my memory isn't great for earlier ones. Offhand I can think of Biscuitician and 5stonegames by name, but I know there are a bunch more.

The Zak ban was for products moving forward; existing products were left up (but at least the ones I've released, DriveThru has directed their 30% of sales to a charity).

Zak Has Nothing To Do With This Book was banned (even after being renamed An Analysis of Man and the Satanic Power He Contains) in 2019, and since then I've had to submit all products in advance before they can go live on there... in 2021, they refused Asterion, and they required Wight Power to be renamed (which the author agreed to, and we went with Title Redacted).

This weekend I'm submitting my next slate of products with hope they get reviewed in time to have a simultaneous print and PDF release. Really looking forward to that now...

Quote from: jhkim on February 18, 2023, 01:15:02 AM
GeekyBugle - you're the one arguing that censorship is OK as long as it doesn't impact someone's livelihood, or as long as the rules are clear, or as long as you're censoring anti-semitism, etc. You're giving excuses for censorship. By your logic, it's OK to censor a free product like "The Good Syma'arian".

I'm saying that censorship is censorship. I don't like it regardless of who is doing it.

It's Pundit's forum and he has the legal right to do it, just as OBS has the right to choose what they sell. But they are engaging in censorship.

The best I can say about both is that it seems infrequent.

I am making excuses for censorship? No Jhkim, I'm saying you're comparing apples and oranges to say it's a wash and anyhow "muh private company can do what it wants".

Here the rules ARE clear, it's not left to some cunt to report you and then bam the right wing mods come and bann your leftist ass.

Furthermore theRPGSite is small potatoes, it's not a monopoly, not being able to post anti-semitic shit here doesn't really silence ANYONE because they can go and say it in every leftist website, and they do.

DTTRPG is a defacto monopoly censoring one side while the other gets a pass, thirsty sword lesbians has a forced conversion from straight to lesbian and gets a pass, go publish something with a conversion the other way around and see how fast you gett banned.

But it's okay because it's your side doing it to those you see as your enemies.

Now please keep on with the "muh private company" bullshit.

Quote from: Howard on February 18, 2023, 12:11:30 AM
Judges Guild got nuked (full ban) for public antisemitic posts on facebook (real and confirmed by Bob II, not misuse of the label or misunderstanding his point) in early 2020. Most (all?) the industry on the left and right did the same (with some edge cases such as a sublicensed reprint kickstarter that was ready to launch). Put the last nails in the coffin of JG's off the rails and way behind schedule KS (a 8 years late and counting).

Can someone please link to antisemitic Facebook posts?

Because the word is used for everything from calling for a new Holocaust, to spicy moustache-man memes, right down to politely suggesting Israel sometimes acts shitty. One size fits all.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 18, 2023, 03:37:54 AM

Quote from: Howard on February 18, 2023, 12:11:30 AM
Judges Guild got nuked (full ban) for public antisemitic posts on facebook (real and confirmed by Bob II, not misuse of the label or misunderstanding his point) in early 2020. Most (all?) the industry on the left and right did the same (with some edge cases such as a sublicensed reprint kickstarter that was ready to launch). Put the last nails in the coffin of JG's off the rails and way behind schedule KS (a 8 years late and counting).

Can someone please link to antisemitic Facebook posts?

Because the word is used for everything from calling for a new Holocaust, to spicy moustache-man memes, right down to politely suggesting Israel sometimes acts shitty. One size fits all.

Here's Rob Conley's post on it https://batintheattic.blogspot.com/2020/02/concerning-judges-guild.html

Quote from: S'mon on February 18, 2023, 06:32:51 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 18, 2023, 03:37:54 AM

Quote from: Howard on February 18, 2023, 12:11:30 AM
Judges Guild got nuked (full ban) for public antisemitic posts on facebook (real and confirmed by Bob II, not misuse of the label or misunderstanding his point) in early 2020. Most (all?) the industry on the left and right did the same (with some edge cases such as a sublicensed reprint kickstarter that was ready to launch). Put the last nails in the coffin of JG's off the rails and way behind schedule KS (a 8 years late and counting).

Can someone please link to antisemitic Facebook posts?

Because the word is used for everything from calling for a new Holocaust, to spicy moustache-man memes, right down to politely suggesting Israel sometimes acts shitty. One size fits all.

Here's Rob Conley's post on it https://batintheattic.blogspot.com/2020/02/concerning-judges-guild.html

Thank you! 

Well that was like watching someone commit suicide. Someone thinking those are things to say in the open in 2023 is somewhat mindboggling.

I checked out the company website, seems like an old man selling just a few old modules. Maybe he doesn't give a crap?