Quote from: Grognard GM on February 16, 2023, 12:44:07 PM
I'd cheer them on just on general anti-Monopoly principles,

Yep... Fuck monopolies.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 16, 2023, 12:44:07 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 12:29:35 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 16, 2023, 12:14:18 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 11:44:27 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 10:35:20 AM
More censorship from the pearl clutchers at D.T.

The Red Room's satirical game 'Men' has been pulled.

Do you all remember the shit throwing going on when I made a thread to push people to publish on BGE?

"Waa, waa, muh user interface!"

"Mumble, mumble like the SJWs putting the message "free speech" before the quality of the product!"

Well, now you know WHY we have a desperate need of someone like the folks at BGE to grow big enough to be a force in the market.

Youtube DESPERATELY needs a competitor, but they'll never get one, because hosting is expensive, and the other platforms look and handle like dogshit. Me pointing this out doesn't make me a waaa waa crybaby, shill, or fan of Youtube, merely a realist.

DTRPG has market dominance, everything people want in one place, and nice infrastructure. Anyone wanting to knock them off their perch needs to offer something comparable, or people simply will not bite. With a shit interface, they're dead in the water. Even if our tiny group swarmed to them for muh moral stance.

User experience is very important, but couldn't BGE just improve on theirs?

I know nothing about creating websites to be honest.

They could and they should, best of luck to them. I'd cheer them on just on general anti-Monopoly principles, never mind the woke crap.

I'm just separating hard facts from high-minded stances is all.

Your analisis is correct, it still costs money to improve, so we should help where we can, buy from them, offer constructive criticism, donate money/time (if you can), sell on their site (especially if you're a known developer), promote it...

Or we could sit on our thumbs and wait for a competitor to fall from the sky.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 12:48:56 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 16, 2023, 12:44:07 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 12:29:35 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 16, 2023, 12:14:18 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 11:44:27 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 10:35:20 AM
More censorship from the pearl clutchers at D.T.

The Red Room's satirical game 'Men' has been pulled.

Do you all remember the shit throwing going on when I made a thread to push people to publish on BGE?

"Waa, waa, muh user interface!"

"Mumble, mumble like the SJWs putting the message "free speech" before the quality of the product!"

Well, now you know WHY we have a desperate need of someone like the folks at BGE to grow big enough to be a force in the market.

Youtube DESPERATELY needs a competitor, but they'll never get one, because hosting is expensive, and the other platforms look and handle like dogshit. Me pointing this out doesn't make me a waaa waa crybaby, shill, or fan of Youtube, merely a realist.

DTRPG has market dominance, everything people want in one place, and nice infrastructure. Anyone wanting to knock them off their perch needs to offer something comparable, or people simply will not bite. With a shit interface, they're dead in the water. Even if our tiny group swarmed to them for muh moral stance.

User experience is very important, but couldn't BGE just improve on theirs?

I know nothing about creating websites to be honest.

They could and they should, best of luck to them. I'd cheer them on just on general anti-Monopoly principles, never mind the woke crap.

I'm just separating hard facts from high-minded stances is all.

Your analisis is correct, it still costs money to improve, so we should help where we can, buy from them, offer constructive criticism, donate money/time (if you can), sell on their site (especially if you're a known developer), promote it...

Or we could sit on our thumbs and wait for a competitor to fall from the sky.

I'm happy to sell my art there, but I'd have to talk to Grim Jim as he does that stuff for me.

So I saw a post by Miguel from the Red Room on Facebook - It looks like their store had been permanently banned under Drivethru's 'hostile marketing' clause.

This is a terrible thing to happen to a small indie publisher. 

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 04:19:00 PM
So I saw a post by Miguel from the Red Room on Facebook - It looks like their store had been permanently banned under Drivethru's 'hostile marketing' clause.

This is a terrible thing to happen to a small indie publisher. 

I am thinking more and more that this is not about getting rid of politically incorrect folks, but small publishers. They want Roll20 to compete with WotC with some of their bigger publishers. Us small fries get in the way.

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 16, 2023, 04:23:27 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 04:19:00 PM
So I saw a post by Miguel from the Red Room on Facebook - It looks like their store had been permanently banned under Drivethru's 'hostile marketing' clause.

This is a terrible thing to happen to a small indie publisher. 

I am thinking more and more that this is not about getting rid of politically incorrect folks, but small publishers. They want Roll20 to compete with WotC with some of their bigger publishers. Us small fries get in the way.

Yeah, got to keep the 'community' safe from small creators - who make edgy content. Won't someone think of the children!?

I wrote them a letter complaining about it - for all the good it will do. 

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 12:54:34 PM

I'm happy to sell my art there, but I'd have to talk to Grim Jim as he does that stuff for me.

Wait, you do art?

Send me a pm with a quote for a small B&W illustration of an alien animal of my design.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 07:14:36 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 12:54:34 PM

I'm happy to sell my art there, but I'd have to talk to Grim Jim as he does that stuff for me.

Wait, you do art?

Send me a pm with a quote for a small B&W illustration of an alien animal of my design.

I have got a specific style so you might not like it - Have a look before just in case:

https://www.instagram.com/robnecronomicon/

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 07:19:59 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 07:14:36 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 12:54:34 PM

I'm happy to sell my art there, but I'd have to talk to Grim Jim as he does that stuff for me.

Wait, you do art?

Send me a pm with a quote for a small B&W illustration of an alien animal of my design.

I have got a specific style so you might not like it - Have a look before just in case:

https://www.instagram.com/robnecronomicon/

That looks cool, my only thing is I want all the art to be on the same style, so I need to make the math in advance.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 07:33:53 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 07:19:59 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 07:14:36 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 12:54:34 PM

I'm happy to sell my art there, but I'd have to talk to Grim Jim as he does that stuff for me.

Wait, you do art?

Send me a pm with a quote for a small B&W illustration of an alien animal of my design.

I have got a specific style so you might not like it - Have a look before just in case:

https://www.instagram.com/robnecronomicon/

That looks cool, my only thing is I want all the art to be on the same style, so I need to make the math in advance.

No worries... Drop me a PM. Ta!

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 16, 2023, 12:14:18 PM

Youtube DESPERATELY needs a competitor, but they'll never get one, because hosting is expensive, and the other platforms look and handle like dogshit. Me pointing this out doesn't make me a waaa waa crybaby, shill, or fan of Youtube, merely a realist.

There are two YT competitors that work fine for content creators you already know about (vs. finding similar content)-

Rumble - does standard stuff plus live streaming. Several alternative press types use it as their primary home and mirror to YT. Doesn't seem to support RSS, but you can get email notifications of new content from followed folks. Ads are up front.

Odysee - does the standard stuff. Venger and Grim Jim both mirror their YT content here (and that is where I consume said). Supports RSS. No ads mid thought (vs. YT).

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 16, 2023, 04:23:27 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 04:19:00 PM
So I saw a post by Miguel from the Red Room on Facebook - It looks like their store had been permanently banned under Drivethru's 'hostile marketing' clause.

This is a terrible thing to happen to a small indie publisher. 

I am thinking more and more that this is not about getting rid of politically incorrect folks, but small publishers. They want Roll20 to compete with WotC with some of their bigger publishers. Us small fries get in the way.

Maybe it's about getting rid of small publishers who are politically incorrect. It can and probably is both.

Anyone with a "content policy" like theirs is just itching to use it.

The guy who owns Roll20 is a leftard self-hating white dude (told Taking 20 to fuck of because he's a white dude and he only wants black females on a joint venture - note it was a bunch of old D&D dudes who can make videos but no I'm not going to watch non-actors run a D&D campaign there was a financial reason not to partner with him but he made it racial + the Reddit Dumpster fire thread for Roll20 when the owner went Nazi on a redditor).  Seeing as Roll20 bought Drivethru don't expect a friendly environment over there.

What we would need would be a parallel economy style site set up for RPG sales as an alternative, with payment processing etc.  At the rate things are going we'll need a parallel economy for grocery stores as well.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 16, 2023, 12:14:18 PM
Youtube DESPERATELY needs a competitor, but they'll never get one, because hosting is expensive, and the other platforms look and handle like dogshit. Me pointing this out doesn't make me a waaa waa crybaby, shill, or fan of Youtube, merely a realist.

One word: Rumble.

But YT will have dominance because of the Google behemoth.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 16, 2023, 12:14:18 PM
Youtube DESPERATELY needs a competitor, but they'll never get one, because hosting is expensive, and the other platforms look and handle like dogshit. Me pointing this out doesn't make me a waaa waa crybaby, shill, or fan of Youtube, merely a realist.

DTRPG has market dominance, everything people want in one place, and nice infrastructure. Anyone wanting to knock them off their perch needs to offer something comparable, or people simply will not bite. With a shit interface, they're dead in the water. Even if our tiny group swarmed to them for muh moral stance.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

I buy games so I can play them and have fun. Life is already hard enough as it is. If a store has what I want and has a better user interface, that's where I'll buy my stuff. Sure, I would gladly give another store my money if it has the products I'm looking for and has a reasonably decent interface. BGE has neither at the moment. When it does, I'll gladly give them my business, but until then, I don't see why or how I can "support" them. Similarly, if there are two great games, but one feels the need to spread THE MESSAGE, obviously I'll give my money to the other one.

Being told off for not supporting another store for legitimate reasons is just as annoying as being wokescolded.