Quote from: Slipshot762 on February 18, 2023, 12:08:32 AM
sum tard was offended by the black sun symbol which they had never seen before in their life until they saw racist frog memes use it.

But the Black Sun is approved by the ADL, the U.S. Government and every NATO member government.   (So's the Wolfsangel symbol, BTW).  I'm surprised they would find anything wrong with it.   Instead of seeing it on "racist frog memes," perhaps they saw it on the former insignia of U.S.-supported regular Ukrainian army unit the Azov Regiment?

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 18, 2023, 07:14:39 AM

Well that was like watching someone commit suicide. Someone thinking those are things to say in the open in 2023 is somewhat mindboggling.

I checked out the company website, seems like an old man selling just a few old modules. Maybe he doesn't give a crap?

He did at one time.

Short version- in '14 Bob III launched a kickstarter to refurb The City State of the Invincible Overlord (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/judgesguild/city-state-of-the-invincible-overlord/). Bob III (grandson of the original publisher) then proceeded to do little and walk away with the money. Bob II (note the switch from three to two) stepped in and said he'd finish the project and make folks whole. To facilitate that he started allowing other companies to reprint/rework other JG IP (the profits from this would be used to pay for fulfillment of the failed city state KS). This included two collectors editions of some of their content (#1 finished before things got ugly, the third was axed due to this mess, the 2nd was pushed through because it was already a sunk cost for Goodman when things got ugly). What pushed it over the finish line (IMO) was that it focused on the works of Paul (now Jennell) Jaquays- having the works of a trans person squished would look bad, at least in some circles. Publishing it would at least be a Pyrrhic victory. Other than JG selling some of Jaquays  products outright to Goodman Games (Caverns of Thracia), JG has not done squat since the implosion in '20. Seemingly all the IP sales aren't generating any cash as the proceeds are being given to apropos charities.

I give Bob II credit for trying to clean up the mess his son created (failed, but he at least took ownership of the issue). That both Bob II and III have some nasty views is a separate show stopper.

Well after five days of reviewing my little adventure about fighting strange occult bad guys during WW II, I got an answer from the assholes at DTRPG (I paraphrase):

Everything is cool with the adventure, although they suggested I change the cover which had a graphic image of the Black Sun (from the 19th Century not related to Nazis) containing a skull in the center with runes on it (almost like something you would see on a Ukrainian Army uniform - egad where are my pearls). I already did that so its moot.

However, now they are accusing me of violating the 'exclusivity' agreement by posting other products elsewhere; products that were never posted on DTRPG. They insist I pull everything off of every other website until the exclusivity period ends on July 21, 2023.

So I am just going to ignore them. They have no right to demand that. If they want to ban me then so be it. They are probably going to do so whatever I do. I suppose I should be flattered that they have put so much effort into screwing with me. I never thought I was worth the trouble! I just wish I had done something worthy of being banned!!!! I suspect it has nothing to do with me and more to do with ITCHIO and BGE becoming more of a threat (I have been posting all my new stuff on those two websites).

Maybe there is still time to produce something incredibly offensive and posting it on DTRPG before they ban me? Any suggestions?

Quote from: Howard on February 18, 2023, 10:57:50 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 18, 2023, 07:14:39 AM

Well that was like watching someone commit suicide. Someone thinking those are things to say in the open in 2023 is somewhat mindboggling.

I checked out the company website, seems like an old man selling just a few old modules. Maybe he doesn't give a crap?

He did at one time.

Short version- in '14 Bob III launched a kickstarter to refurb The City State of the Invincible Overlord (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/judgesguild/city-state-of-the-invincible-overlord/). Bob III (grandson of the original publisher) then proceeded to do little and walk away with the money. Bob II (note the switch from three to two) stepped in and said he'd finish the project and make folks whole. To facilitate that he started allowing other companies to reprint/rework other JG IP (the profits from this would be used to pay for fulfillment of the failed city state KS). This included two collectors editions of some of their content (#1 finished before things got ugly, the third was axed due to this mess, the 2nd was pushed through because it was already a sunk cost for Goodman when things got ugly). What pushed it over the finish line (IMO) was that it focused on the works of Paul (now Jennell) Jaquays- having the works of a trans person squished would look bad, at least in some circles. Publishing it would at least be a Pyrrhic victory. Other than JG selling some of Jaquays  products outright to Goodman Games (Caverns of Thracia), JG has not done squat since the implosion in '20. Seemingly all the IP sales aren't generating any cash as the proceeds are being given to apropos charities.

I give Bob II credit for trying to clean up the mess his son created (failed, but he at least took ownership of the issue). That both Bob II and III have some nasty views is a separate show stopper.

Thanks for the info.

The first generation builds the business, the second makes it a success, and the third wrecks it.

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 18, 2023, 11:57:44 AMMaybe there is still time to produce something incredibly offensive and posting it on DTRPG before they ban me? Any suggestions?

Post Seinfeld jokes from the 90's, that's as edgy as you need to be so as to be labelled an Insta-phobe in 2023.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 18, 2023, 12:03:41 PM

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 18, 2023, 11:57:44 AMMaybe there is still time to produce something incredibly offensive and posting it on DTRPG before they ban me? Any suggestions?

Post Seinfeld jokes from the 90's, that's as edgy as you need to be so as to be labelled an Insta-phobe in 2023.

I know, I could do a Kanye West! Come up with a game where all the players are SS guards in a death camp, and their goal is to kill, rape, and then loot the bodies of dead Jews! All before happy hour! That should get me booted from DTRPG!

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 18, 2023, 11:57:44 AM
Well after five days of reviewing my little adventure about fighting strange occult bad guys during WW II, I got an answer from the assholes at DTRPG (I paraphrase):

Everything is cool with the adventure, although they suggested I change the cover which had a graphic image of the Black Sun (from the 19th Century not related to Nazis) containing a skull in the center with runes on it (almost like something you would see on a Ukrainian Army uniform - egad where are my pearls). I already did that so its moot.

However, now they are accusing me of violating the 'exclusivity' agreement by posting other products elsewhere; products that were never posted on DTRPG. They insist I pull everything off of every other website until the exclusivity period ends on July 21, 2023.

So I am just going to ignore them. They have no right to demand that. If they want to ban me then so be it. They are probably going to do so whatever I do. I suppose I should be flattered that they have put so much effort into screwing with me. I never thought I was worth the trouble! I just wish I had done something worthy of being banned!!!! I suspect it has nothing to do with me and more to do with ITCHIO and BGE becoming more of a threat (I have been posting all my new stuff on those two websites).

Maybe there is still time to produce something incredibly offensive and posting it on DTRPG before they ban me? Any suggestions?

I have to say, if you're asking for suggestions, that DTRPG seems willing to be more or less reasonable in this particular case, especially if the book has been cleared (and, although I see no reason to object to the cover, you said you took care of that already).

Quote from: Eric Diaz on February 18, 2023, 01:06:20 PM

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 18, 2023, 11:57:44 AM
Well after five days of reviewing my little adventure about fighting strange occult bad guys during WW II, I got an answer from the assholes at DTRPG (I paraphrase):

Everything is cool with the adventure, although they suggested I change the cover which had a graphic image of the Black Sun (from the 19th Century not related to Nazis) containing a skull in the center with runes on it (almost like something you would see on a Ukrainian Army uniform - egad where are my pearls). I already did that so its moot.

However, now they are accusing me of violating the 'exclusivity' agreement by posting other products elsewhere; products that were never posted on DTRPG. They insist I pull everything off of every other website until the exclusivity period ends on July 21, 2023.

So I am just going to ignore them. They have no right to demand that. If they want to ban me then so be it. They are probably going to do so whatever I do. I suppose I should be flattered that they have put so much effort into screwing with me. I never thought I was worth the trouble! I just wish I had done something worthy of being banned!!!! I suspect it has nothing to do with me and more to do with ITCHIO and BGE becoming more of a threat (I have been posting all my new stuff on those two websites).

Maybe there is still time to produce something incredibly offensive and posting it on DTRPG before they ban me? Any suggestions?

I have to say, if you're asking for suggestions, that DTRPG seems willing to be more or less reasonable in this particular case, especially if the book has been cleared (and, although I see no reason to object to the cover, you said you took care of that already).

?? The adventure was always harmless. And now they are trying to force me to use their service 'exclusively' which is not what the 'exclusivity' clause is all about. I hate them even more now.

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 18, 2023, 12:42:18 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 18, 2023, 12:03:41 PM

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 18, 2023, 11:57:44 AMMaybe there is still time to produce something incredibly offensive and posting it on DTRPG before they ban me? Any suggestions?

Post Seinfeld jokes from the 90's, that's as edgy as you need to be so as to be labelled an Insta-phobe in 2023.

I know, I could do a Kanye West! Come up with a game where all the players are SS guards in a death camp, and their goal is to kill, rape, and then loot the bodies of dead Jews! All before happy hour! That should get me booted from DTRPG!

And get you forever labelled as a notzee, with the proof to back it up.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 18, 2023, 01:54:32 PM

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 18, 2023, 12:42:18 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 18, 2023, 12:03:41 PM

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 18, 2023, 11:57:44 AMMaybe there is still time to produce something incredibly offensive and posting it on DTRPG before they ban me? Any suggestions?

Post Seinfeld jokes from the 90's, that's as edgy as you need to be so as to be labelled an Insta-phobe in 2023.

I know, I could do a Kanye West! Come up with a game where all the players are SS guards in a death camp, and their goal is to kill, rape, and then loot the bodies of dead Jews! All before happy hour! That should get me booted from DTRPG!

And get you forever labelled as a notzee, with the proof to back it up.

Hahahaha! I will be the greatest Jewish Nazi eva'! And maybe I will get invited to hang out Kanye West after DTRPG bans me and cuts me loose!

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 18, 2023, 02:06:19 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 18, 2023, 01:54:32 PM
And get you forever labelled as a notzee, with the proof to back it up.

Hahahaha! I will be the greatest Jewish Nazi eva'! And maybe I will get invited to hang out Kanye West after DTRPG bans me and cuts me loose!

squirewaldo - please note that Nazi symbolism and anti-semitic talk can get you in trouble here on this forum as well. It will probably be just a warning as long as it doesn't seem like you mean it, but best not to push it. For example, a prominent poster briefly had a dinosaur with a swastika on it as an icon, and was asked to take it down even though it was clearly not intentionally pro-nazi.

Quote from: jhkim on February 18, 2023, 02:37:40 PM

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 18, 2023, 02:06:19 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 18, 2023, 01:54:32 PM
And get you forever labelled as a notzee, with the proof to back it up.

Hahahaha! I will be the greatest Jewish Nazi eva'! And maybe I will get invited to hang out Kanye West after DTRPG bans me and cuts me loose!

squirewaldo - please note that Nazi symbolism and anti-semitic talk can get you in trouble here on this forum as well. It will probably be just a warning as long as it doesn't seem like you mean it, but best not to push it. For example, a prominent poster briefly had a dinosaur with a swastika on it as an icon, and was asked to take it down even though it was clearly not intentionally pro-nazi.

If there is a Nazi here it sure as hell ain't me!!!! Hahahaha! But you keep censoring away! Maybe you could burn some books or something. Maybe even report me!

Quote from: squirewaldo on February 18, 2023, 02:06:19 PM

Hahahaha! I will be the greatest Jewish Nazi eva'!

Greater than Ben Shapiro?!

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 16, 2023, 11:52:09 AM
Is Pundit on there? I can't seem to find him on it.

I'm not a publisher. However, as far as I know none of the companies that publish my books have chosen to publish there yet.

Quote from: Brand55 on February 17, 2023, 10:29:11 PM
Red Room was seemingly banned because they complained publicly. If they'd just sat quietly by, Drivethru would have banned the book and everything would have continued on until RR published something else that someone found offensive. But RR complained about the book being taken down on Twitter which is what Drivethru called "hostile marketing," and thus the whole account was banned.

I just have to wonder how many smaller items have been quietly shut down. How many small publishers get a title taken down and never raise a stink about it online, either because of the rules or because they just don't care? It could easily be none or dozens, and we have no way to know.

Look, you can argue about how there's a double standard of content policing with DTRPG, where a game like Men is banned, but Thirsty Sword Lesbians (which features the sword lesbians purging a restaurant of heterosexuals) is allowed to stay on and become a bestseller.

But there is NO question in my mind that this game "Men" was written not as an RPG but as a POLITICAL MESSAGE. And that it's intent was to be offensive.
And that Red Room published it to try to court controversy. And that when DTRPG banned it, they did literally engage in "hostile marketing". 

Shit, when DTRPG came up with the term I felt it was something of an invention. And more, I criticized it as dangerous, because it suggests that publicly complaining in any way about your RPG being suspended counts as "hostile marketing".
But here, the Red Room did EXACTLY what they were saying 'hostile marketers' would do. Before the game was banned they were tweeting stuff along the lines of "we'll see how long it takes before DTRPG bans this one!", and once the game was banned they were using that to sell their other products and promote BGE.

Again, you can argue about how the policy could be abused or taken too far so that any criticism of DTRPG is cause for suspension, and you can argue that the general policy of suspending products is unfair because DTRPG allows all sorts of atrocious content from the left but suspends products for atrocious content from the right.

But you can't actually deny that the Red Room knew exactly what the fuck it was doing here, and was doing exactly what DTRPG had made the hostile marketing policy, and which I will now admit I was wrong to previously wave off as a fictitious boogeyman.

And this bugs me. Why? Because now the next time some product is suspended for bad reasons, DTRPG will be able to claim the "hostile marketing" defense and the fact that some people were engaging in hostile marketing will muddy the water.