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Dragonslayer RPG By Greg Gillespie

Started by TheShadowSpawn, August 28, 2023, 11:45:23 AM

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THE_Leopold

#15
August 29, 2023, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 29, 2023, 02:56:12 PM

Wait, is Greg actually a rational human being who isn't an NPC? Ok, I have to back this KS now.

he made it a mission to go on TPB, declare he didn't do modern politics in his products, and was promptly banned from the site.

he is one of the folks on the GREEN list
NKL4Lyfe

Thor's Nads

#16
August 29, 2023, 04:05:08 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 29, 2023, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 29, 2023, 02:56:12 PM

Wait, is Greg actually a rational human being who isn't an NPC? Ok, I have to back this KS now.

he made it a mission to go on TPB, declare he didn't do modern politics in his products, and was promptly banned from the site.

he is one of the folks on the GREEN list

Wow. A true hero. I'm a fan. Are those threads still up? I'd love to read them.
Gen-Xtra

grimshwiz

#17
August 29, 2023, 04:09:35 PM
Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 29, 2023, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: Persimmon on August 29, 2023, 02:31:48 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 29, 2023, 09:55:27 AM


I backed this immediately upon getting the notification.

God forbid he gets reviewed by Questing beast and this forum turns on him like they did Shadowdark like a pack of wolves on a wounded deer.

Now that Greg has been "outed" by the woke mob, QB will likely avoid him like the plague even though he has positively reviewed Greg's stuff in the past.

Wait, is Greg actually a rational human being who isn't an NPC? Ok, I have to back this KS now.

That and the quality products put out by a fellow Canadian are enough for me to have supported him.

THE_Leopold

#18
August 29, 2023, 04:11:26 PM
Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 29, 2023, 04:05:08 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 29, 2023, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 29, 2023, 02:56:12 PM

Wait, is Greg actually a rational human being who isn't an NPC? Ok, I have to back this KS now.

he made it a mission to go on TPB, declare he didn't do modern politics in his products, and was promptly banned from the site.

he is one of the folks on the GREEN list

Wow. A true hero. I'm a fan. Are those threads still up? I'd love to read them.

I mean he does post here too so....

NKL4Lyfe

World_Warrior

#19
August 29, 2023, 07:31:41 PM
And what a shock... he's already funded.

VengerSatanis

#20
August 30, 2023, 09:22:01 AM

Not to be confused with Crimson Dragon Slayer D20... incidentally, I just updated the (free) PDF on DTRPG.

JRR

#21
August 30, 2023, 03:39:18 PM
Looks good, but if he thinks the druid is "hosed", he must be a BECMI guy.  The 1st edition druid is the most powerful class (sans the Bard and UA.)

Thorn Drumheller

#22
August 30, 2023, 04:56:51 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 29, 2023, 03:27:18 PM
he made it a mission to go on TPB, declare he didn't do modern politics in his products, and was promptly banned from the site.

he is one of the folks on the GREEN list

Hehehe. Greg also trolled the sjdubs on r/osr. It was a fun read.
Member in good standing of COSM.

Tod13

#23
August 30, 2023, 05:28:10 PM
Can anyone explain what's different about this system, without referencing BECMI, B/X, etc?

Crusader X

#24
August 30, 2023, 06:10:50 PM
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on August 30, 2023, 04:56:51 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 29, 2023, 03:27:18 PM
he made it a mission to go on TPB, declare he didn't do modern politics in his products, and was promptly banned from the site.

he is one of the folks on the GREEN list

Hehehe. Greg also trolled the sjdubs on r/osr. It was a fun read.

Typical reddit discourse:

Redditor1:  Greg Gillespie is an Alt-Right Nazi!!

Greg Gillespie:  No, I'm not

Redditor1:  HELP!  GREG GILLESPIE IS TROLLING ME!  OMG, WHY ARE YOU BEING SUCH A TROLL?

;D

More non-woke gaming products like this are always nice to see.  And I looked through the quickstart preview, and I'm glad that Drow are not a playable race. I didn't like that they were included as such in Old School Essentials Advanced, along with the Duergar and Svirfneblin.

Thorn Drumheller

#25
August 30, 2023, 10:42:04 PM
Just got off Tenkar's stream where they interviewed Greg.

It was a fabulous stream and I'm just hyped for this game.

And like others have said, do I need another system? Not in the slightest, but man I'm excited. Even just to support Greg.
Member in good standing of COSM.

Aglondir

#26
August 30, 2023, 10:47:52 PM
Quote from: Tod13 on August 30, 2023, 05:28:10 PM
Can anyone explain what's different about this system, without referencing BECMI, B/X, etc?

It mentions B/X, but the KS has a good intro:

QuoteIn its simplest form, Dragonslayer mimics BX in gameplay. Moldvay Basic is a finely tuned machine. It's the best, most internally consistent edition ever created. However, Gary Gygax's siren song of First Edition still echoes in our heads and the races, classes, magic items, monsters, and spells, drip with texture and flavour for fantasy campaigns.

Having said that, Dragonslayer uses the engine of BX with the chrome of First Edition. What does that mean? It means the combat engine, casting, and initiative reflect the former, and the cool stuff reflects the latter. There were also issues with 1E that needed to be addressed. For example, dragons were too weak, demon and devil types were internally inconsistent, druids were hosed, the monk was non-western, thrown weapon bonuses/damage was never really addressed to satisfaction. There were lots of lame rules that needed to go like weapon-speed factors and counting segments. Just because a rule existed to keep Arneson from getting royalties doesn't make it a good rule.

At the end of the day, Dragonslayer presents like a honed version of 1E but with the firm commitment to the iterative elegance of Moldvay Basic.

Think of Dragonslayer as halfway between the two or .75

Tod13

#27
August 31, 2023, 08:58:16 AM
Quote from: Aglondir on August 30, 2023, 10:47:52 PM
Quote from: Tod13 on August 30, 2023, 05:28:10 PM
Can anyone explain what's different about this system, without referencing BECMI, B/X, etc?

It mentions B/X, but the KS has a good intro:

QuoteIn its simplest form, Dragonslayer mimics BX in gameplay. Moldvay Basic is a finely tuned machine. It's the best, most internally consistent edition ever created. However, Gary Gygax's siren song of First Edition still echoes in our heads and the races, classes, magic items, monsters, and spells, drip with texture and flavour for fantasy campaigns.

Having said that, Dragonslayer uses the engine of BX with the chrome of First Edition. What does that mean? It means the combat engine, casting, and initiative reflect the former, and the cool stuff reflects the latter. There were also issues with 1E that needed to be addressed. For example, dragons were too weak, demon and devil types were internally inconsistent, druids were hosed, the monk was non-western, thrown weapon bonuses/damage was never really addressed to satisfaction. There were lots of lame rules that needed to go like weapon-speed factors and counting segments. Just because a rule existed to keep Arneson from getting royalties doesn't make it a good rule.

At the end of the day, Dragonslayer presents like a honed version of 1E but with the firm commitment to the iterative elegance of Moldvay Basic.

Think of Dragonslayer as halfway between the two or .75

Thanks. But that's exactly what I don't understand. It uses BX rules for X, Y, and Z, and 1E for everything else. Except the stuff he changed.

I have a garbage memory. I like the OSR community (mostly LOL) but play Traveller or our non-OSR homebrew. I hang out here and the related MeWe and Discord groups. And the some Traveller Discords server.

But, I don't remember the differences between BX and 1E. Hence, my original question. (I give similar feedback to authors who say their books are like A, B, and C. Often, I don't know A, haven't read B, and hated C.)

(Watching RPGPundit review non-OSR games is interesting. He's very honest about his preferences. I guess having him review your game at all is still good marketing.)

Gegilles

#28
August 31, 2023, 04:25:03 PM
Yes, I am.

Avowedly anti-woke.

I really appreciate the sentiments and positivity here.

Thank you so much.

Danger

#29
August 31, 2023, 04:43:03 PM
I cannot wait to throw more money at Mr. Gillespie.

-seriously; man makes good shit and should be rewarded/acknowledged
I start from his boots and work my way up. It takes a good half a roll to encompass his jolly round belly alone. Soon, Father Christmas is completely wrapped in clingfilm. It is not quite so good as wrapping Roy but it is enjoyable nonetheless and is certainly a feather in my cap.
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