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Dragon #43: Interesting response from EGG

Started by cranebump, March 14, 2017, 01:06:24 PM

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chirine ba kal

Quote from: Spellslinging Sellsword;952708Which Ohio con?

Cincy Con, two weeks ago. Had a great time, got some great miniatures, talked to a lot of people. Couldn't ask for better, really! :)

Gronan of Simmerya

Quote from: chirine ba kal;952677True, true. I finally had a good time at a game convention - a good time without any issues or problems - for the first time in decades when we went to Ohio.

I retire tomorrow (Yay!) and I'm thinking about next year's Con of the North.  Paul Stormberg has the TOE for the first EVER Tractics battle ever done at Gen Con.

4 Panzer III with the short 50, 3 T-34 76s... a few buildings and trees.  In Micro Armor scale (which David T has a TON of) it would fit in one printer paper box.  And the board is 4 by 6 feet.

It's genuinely tempting, because it's a fun scenario but it doesn't require a ton and a quarter of lift capacity.
You should go to GaryCon.  Period.

The rules can\'t cure stupid, and the rules can\'t cure asshole.

Tristram Evans

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;952728I retire tomorrow

Congrats!

Gronan of Simmerya

Thenkew.  I worked as a programmer long after I stopped enjoying it just for this.
You should go to GaryCon.  Period.

The rules can\'t cure stupid, and the rules can\'t cure asshole.

Spinachcat

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;952384And if I were Gary when somebody actually wrote "D&D is too important to leave to Gary Gygax," I would have been TEN TIMES AS MUCH OF AN ASSHOLE AS GARY WAS.

I agree. You would have been! :)

Me too.

I'm sure I would have gone batshit on those MADD asshats and half the letters to Dragon would have been answered with "eat my asshole you pimply bitches!"

But the funny thing is it's true.

So many great discoveries of art and invention are "too important" to be left ONLY to their creators.

That's why it was so cool that Ken St. Andre's first response to D&D was "this shit is fun" and his second response was "but I can do better!" and that led to a merry train of clowns, dreamers and assorted fine authors to go forth and make their own RPG.

Alas, there are far more clowns and based on the asinine letters TSR did print in the Dragon, I can only imagine WTF they left out.

In middle school, my response to most of the letters was "WTF is wrong with these people? Who possibly gives a shit about this rules wankery?"


Quote from: Voros;952226This is the new standard in 5e. Took long enough.

For who? Fucking around with how HP were rolled, or not rolled was absolutely basic gamer conversation in middle school.

Everybody had their own schtick for HP. Max HP for first level was idiot common - it only got weird with Rangers. Many GMs had "pick the average OR roll". Other GMs (like myself) had Max HP Every Level (with the caveat there was no bitching about the game being hard).

Congrats to WotC for catching up to the 6th Grade Class of 1979.


Quote from: chirine ba kal;952677True, true. I finally had a good time at a game convention - a good time without any issues or problems - for the first time in decades when we went to Ohio.

That is excellent news! Hope it starts a trend!


Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;952744Thenkew.  I worked as a programmer long after I stopped enjoying it just for this.

Enjoy retirement. I hope you have cool stuff planned. Hopefully you can develop on your own programming projects and enjoy it again without the work stress. Amazing how "work" can suck the joy out of good stuff.

Spellslinging Sellsword

Quote from: chirine ba kal;952710Cincy Con, two weeks ago. Had a great time, got some great miniatures, talked to a lot of people. Couldn't ask for better, really! :)

Cool, I'm in Columbus, so maybe I'll check it out some time. The only con I've ever done is Origins here in Columbus a few times.

Gronan of Simmerya

Quote from: Spinachcat;952749I agree. You would have been! :)

Me too.

I'm sure I would have gone batshit on those MADD asshats and half the letters to Dragon would have been answered with "eat my asshole you pimply bitches!"


Very, VERY near the end of the line for "Akbar and Jeff's Traveling Tekumel Road Show," I had perfected my "One Breath Customer Response":

"WHAT DO YOU WANT?  FUCK YOU!  HERE'S YOUR SHIT!  FUCK YOU!  GIMME YOUR MONEY!  FUCK YOU!  HERE'S YOUR CHANGE!  FUCK YOU!  HAVE A NICE DAY!  FUCK YOU!  WHO'S NEXT?"

A lot of our fellow vendors laughed.  Nobody disagreed.  (I saved it for after hours.  I may be bad tempered but I'm not stupid.)

Quote from: Spinachcat;952749But the funny thing is it's true.

So many great discoveries of art and invention are "too important" to be left ONLY to their creators.

That's why it was so cool that Ken St. Andre's first response to D&D was "this shit is fun" and his second response was "but I can do better!" and that led to a merry train of clowns, dreamers and assorted fine authors to go forth and make their own RPG.

Agree completely.  That's why the correct answer is "make your own game."  This douchenozzle wanted Gary to turn D&D over to some ... I don't know what, committee or something.

Gary's response was "it's too important to leave to me or to you or to anybody."  I think he should have said "Too important to leave to me? Well, for $20 million it can be yours!"

It's a fucking commercial product.
You should go to GaryCon.  Period.

The rules can\'t cure stupid, and the rules can\'t cure asshole.

Willie the Duck

Congratulations to Gronan. If I were still a drinker and under the insane delusion that what you'd want to do on your first night of retirement was facetime with a forumdweller, I'd buy you a drink.


Quote from: Spinachcat;952749For who? Fucking around with how HP were rolled, or not rolled was absolutely basic gamer conversation in middle school.

Everybody had their own schtick for HP. Max HP for first level was idiot common - it only got weird with Rangers. Many GMs had "pick the average OR roll". Other GMs (like myself) had Max HP Every Level (with the caveat there was no bitching about the game being hard).

Congrats to WotC for catching up to the 6th Grade Class of 1979.

To be fair, they never had to codify it before, because it was basic gamer conversation in middle school. In my mind, it's less, 'Congrats to WotC for catching up to the 6th Grade Class of 1979,' and more, 'Condolences to WotC for having to put into the rules what we've been successfully dealing with since 6th Grade Class of 1979 and before.'

Omega

Quote from: Willie the Duck;952831To be fair, they never had to codify it before, because it was basic gamer conversation in middle school. In my mind, it's less, 'Congrats to WotC for catching up to the 6th Grade Class of 1979,' and more, 'Condolences to WotC for having to put into the rules what we've been successfully dealing with since 6th Grade Class of 1979 and before.'

I thought it was condolences to WOTC for having to cater to whinny bitches who cant stand their precious snowflakes being endangered.

Omega

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;952761"WHAT DO YOU WANT?  FUCK YOU!  HERE'S YOUR SHIT!  FUCK YOU!  GIMME YOUR MONEY!  FUCK YOU!  HERE'S YOUR CHANGE!  FUCK YOU!  HAVE A NICE DAY!  FUCK YOU!  WHO'S NEXT?"

Green Ronin used to be like that at during GenCon and apparently other cons. Except it was pretty much  "Fuck off and die. We are too good to sell you our games.".

And it wasnt just a few either apparently.

But yeah. I know a few convention artists who get a weeeee bit burned out from fans after a day or two. Others just laugh it off. Where the hell do they get that much energy?

Willie the Duck

Quote from: Omega;952835I thought it was condolences to WOTC for having to cater to whinny bitches who cant stand their precious snowflakes being endangered.

I'm focusing on the fact that they felt the need to codify common house-rules--because apparently everything must be standardized, and not whether such rules are snowflaky something or other.

DavetheLost

Quote from: Spinachcat;952749lowns and based on the asinine letters TSR did print in the Dragon, I can only imagine WTF they left out.

In middle school, my response to most of the letters was "WTF is wrong with these people? Who possibly gives a shit about this rules wankery?"


This continues to be my response to many of the electrons spilled across the internerds in helpless nerd rage.

Voros

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Quote from: Willie the Duck;952849I'm focusing on the fact that they felt the need to codify common house-rules--because apparently everything must be standardized, and not whether such rules are snowflaky something or other.

Have you read the 5e core books? They are easily the most flexible and modular, 'do what works for you' books ever put out by WoTC or perhaps for D&D in general. That is the clearest 'old school' influence on them.

Willie the Duck

Oh, no, I totally agree. 5e also isn't the first to include max hp at 1st level. Nor the first to include houserules that reflect what people had been doing (I think it was 1e AD&D that first included alternate stat rolling methods, although perhaps a Dragon Mag I don't remember slipped in there first).

AsenRG

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;952728I retire tomorrow (Yay!)
Congratulations, Glorious General!
Does that mean a certain book is more likely to become available soon, in addition to your online presence being growing? The latter goes without saying, but one can hope about the former, as well!
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