QuoteI'm sure that most of the anti-"Swine" commando could game with indie designers and have a good time.

Speaking for me, I have tried several Thematic Games, and have talked to some people deeply into that. Some games I liked, some I didn´t.
But I´m anti swine-masses, not anti-swine-weopons-dealers after all.

I fight the shitheads who took over the Internet, not the tools they used for it. They use whatever elevates them. They are meta-swine (abyssal?), if you will.

Quote from: SettembriniBut I´m anti swine-masses, not anti- swine- weapons- dealers after all.

I fight the shitheads who took over the Internet, not the tools they used for it. They use whatever elevates them. They are meta-swine (abyssal?), if you will.

I again disagree with this. Mainly, I suppose, because I don't buy the difference between OD&D and Sorcerer, one being RPG and the other not, or one being an adventure RPG and the other a thematic RPG. That separation is, at its best, superficial. In both games people take the role of a character, and decide things for that character to do, and there's some system to decide what happens next, be it one way or the other. And that's it.

And sorry, but I've never found that Internet (the Internet related to gaming, I mean) has been taken by any group. Most discussion boards, mailing list and the like are devoted to mainstream games, and indie games, RPG theory and the like are absent and unknown. Again, I feel that you overgeneralize your experience with some boards (RPG.net, mainly), because I've been in several other boards bigger than RPG.net, and you won't find that they're taken by any group of people.

Me, I can hardly read ENWorld. Unfair! Rights for minorities!

QuoteMe, I can hardly read ENWorld.

Right. Imagine a world where every board was like ENWorld then, or people coming from ENWorld threadcrapping your highly individualistc game discussion about Personal Horror games with necromancer rules discussions from the srd.

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QuoteI again disagree with this.

Only because you experience it differently.

Quote from: SettembriniRight. Imagine a world where every board was like ENWorld then, or people coming from ENWorld threadcrapping your highly individualistc game discussion about Personal Horror games with necromancer rules discussions from the srd.

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Only because you experience it differently.

Of course. But I can back up my experience with some facts. I can point you to all those places in Internet that are not taken by defenders of the Theory, indie gamers, or whatever, where you can talk about whatever RPG you please. And that is without taking into account the official boards of each publisher.

And again, regarding your answer to droog, that is not the situation. Is not true that you are going to have each and any thread hijacked in each and any board by people who wants you to use Dogs in the Vineyard to kill orcs and take their stuff. That simply doesn't happen, and I ask you to point me to places where that's the situation.

The irony here is that most of the discussions about indie games are started by people railing against them.

I don't have to wade through hordes of Nobilis fans and people advocating playing My Life with Master (which is great by the way), I have to wade through hordes of people telling me how those guys are saturating the debate.

If we shut the fuck up about them we might find there were less threads about them.

Hello, I'm just here for the "Forgie Playbook" update.

For those who aren't in on the fun, the basic deal is, Forgies love to drop irrelevant references to political figures or racial topics whenever they lose an argument. It's practically a flag signalling a desire to retreat.

Each reference is worth a nickel, as in "If I had a nickel every time I heard them do that..."

So let's count em' up:

"I'm Rush Thompson O'Reilly, love me, please!"

ding!

"Don't give me your bullshit talking points, O'Reilly."

ding!

"If you absolutely can't parse it, Rush..."

ding!

SO that's 15¢ right there. This adds to our previous total of 25¢ so now we have around 40¢.


Carry on.

QuoteIf we shut the fuck up about them we might find there were less threads about them.

This is very true, and will be my new strategy, after the Duel thread is over. Especially this place is a bit of self fulfilling prophecy in that regard.

Quote from: BalbinusThe irony here is that most of the discussions about indie games are started by people railing against them.

I don't have to wade through hordes of Nobilis fans and people advocating playing My Life with Master (which is great by the way), I have to wade through hordes of people telling me how those guys are saturating the debate.

If we shut the fuck up about them we might find there were less threads about them.

Truth and wisdom spoken here. Actually, I feel that the Pundit should ask RSB to pay him a fee as marketing partner or something, because he has done more to promote the game than RSB herself.

Abyssal: you're far more than capable to do better than that. Your posts about dungeoncraft were great and constructive, and I enjoyed a lot about them. So please, leave the 'they do this or that as they are losing' because nobody is neither losing nor gaining here.

Quote from: SettembriniRight. Imagine a world where every board was like ENWorld then, or people coming from ENWorld threadcrapping your highly individualistc game discussion about Personal Horror games with necromancer rules discussions from the srd.

If every board was like ENWorld, I probably wouldn't spend as much time on the internet. That can't be a bad thing.

Anyway, what Balbinus and Imperator said, whippersnapper – and I see you get the picture.

My reasoning is that this tactic of bringing up racial topics or political figures in this sort of topic represents deep intellectual dishonesty, and smacks of a panicked attempt to throw the actual conversation (confrontational though it may be, we're still having a conversation here) off-track.

So here's where I'm coming from:

So first of all, I resent intellectual dishonesty a lot. I find it contemptible. Not just on the internet, either.

Second of all, I only see this tactic being used here by certain people who share a common ("swiney"?) origin. I've logged Kitkowski, Kubasik, Blakkie, and now Luke Crane doing it here.. and nobody else.

My hypothesis, stated two weeks ago, is that there was some kind of coordinated playbook in use here. Upon reflection, however, my thesis is that such coordination might be impossible or unlikely. In this case, intellectual dishonesty may actually be a defining pre-existing trait for such an origin.

You're using the words "intellectual dishonesty" in a thread entited, "Don't be a dick at a con."

Think about that.

Now, I know that the internet is serious fucking business, but...

We're not writing doctoral theses here, mate.

Quote from: JimBobOzWe're not writing doctoral theses here, mate.

I'll quote you that the next time your post is twice my screen height

:hatsoff:to Sosthenes!

Quote from: JimBobOzYou're using the words "intellectual dishonesty" in a thread entited, "Don't be a dick at a con."

Think about that.

Now, I know that the internet is serious fucking business, but...

We're not writing doctoral theses here, mate.

In response, I can only offer you the rpgsite memorial taco.

:emot-taco: