Quote from: Levi KornelsenNo shock there.

Actually, I found this suggestion suprising.  I had personally wrote off the brain damage stuff as just Ron once again sticking his foot in his mouth and then both up his ass.  (You can thank me for that mental image later.)  What's being suggested here is that the brain damage debate left me with an unperceived impairment to my cognition.

In other words, Balbinus is positing that Ron Edwards' comments on brain damage caused me brain damage.  I've looked for an appropriate emoticon to express my reaction to this turn of events.  The best I can do is this:

:emot-taco:

:ferret:

Quote from: jrientsActually, I found this suggestion suprising.  I had personally wrote off the brain damage stuff as just Ron once again sticking his foot in his mouth and then both up his ass.  (You can thank me for that mental image later.)  What's being suggested here is that the brain damage debate left me with an unperceived impairment to my cognition.

In other words, Balbinus is positing that Ron Edwards' comments on brain damage caused me brain damage.  I've looked for an appropriate emoticon to express my reaction to this turn of events.  The best I can do is this:

:emot-taco:

I think more I'm suggesting that exposure to Ron's thread has long term cognitive effects that may impair your natural posting function.

:squirrel:

Quote from: ImperatorIf cons can't afford that, tehy won't provide it. Easy. And designers will keep or attending in some cases, and stop attending in others. And con attendance will keep on being the same, roughly, depending on many other, more important factors.

And if people get upset when they're told something, is their problem. If Ron Edwards or Gary Gygax or Monte Cook or whatever the fuck came to my house to tell me IN MY FACE that I suck at gaming, I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't get upset in the least.

That's what it basically comes down to as far as I can see.  He feels his time, a limited commodity, is worth X amount. Factors in marketing gains, because he is a business person selling something. As far as I know he outsells any other game at the Forge (which isn't exactly a huge field of competition :rolleyes: but Burning Wheel sales are in the thousands of units and speeding up). Then sets the price, and I would imagine adjust to what the market will bear. The wheels of capitalism roll on.  *shrug*

Quote from: BalbinusI think more I'm suggesting that exposure to Ron's thread has long term cognitive effects that may impair your natural posting function.

:squirrel:

Oh god, didn't anyone warn you?  Never, ever try to read what Ron Edwards types in an email/messageboard.  I've found I can make my way through at least some of his essays, even if I disagree with some of their statements, but trying to follow something from him in a more casual speech setting is like flossing ear to ear with a horny weasel. :eyepop:

See Luke didn`t say he wanted to get this and that, which might all be nice and convenient. He said he wanted to be handled differently than regular GMs.
That`s the elephant in the bathroom.
And no Tony will argument that away.
Luke has an account here, and I´sure he´s reading.
He can talk for himself.

BTW, posting to old threads is forbidden at the forge, so discussing this elsewhere is the only option.

You're not supposed to post to old threads, but you're quite free to start a new thread that links to the old one.

Quote from: SettembriniHe said he wanted to be handled differently than regular GMs.

Y'know, I'm not at all sure he did, but that's okay.  I'll say it.

I want to be handled differently than I've seen regular GMs being treated.  I have seen regular GMs treated in the following ways:  Asked to pay for their entry to the convention.  Left to their own devices in terms of finding their events.  Left to their own devices for housing and food.

I want to be handled better than that.  I want free entry, free housing, always knowing where I'm supposed to be and being stuffed with delicious free food.

I don't particularly care if the regular GMs also get that upgrade.  In fact, I don't even care if the regular GMs also get comfy chairs, and I don't.  I don't need to be better than where they end up.  I just want to be treated better than the standard I've seen to date.

I also want a Vespa.  I think it would be cool.  Putt, putt, putt!

But I'm not going to avoid a convention just because they don't buy me a Vespa.  I might well avoid a convention that doesn't provide me the other stuff.

Does anyone have a problem with that?

QuoteDoes anyone have a problem with that?

Actually: yes.

Why should you be special?

Did I say I should be?

Why shouldn't I want things?

Sophism.
True, but not helpful to our discussion.
You know exactly what I meant.
You don`t have any entitlement to get your wishes granted.

Quote from: SettembriniYou don`t have any entitlement to get your wishes granted.

Very true.  And?

Quote from: TonyLBWhy shouldn't I want things?

Wanting stuff you can't get makes you a dreamer.
Telling people that you feel entitled to stuff you can't get makes you pretentious.
Demanding stuff you can't get makes you an asshole.

Even on the internet.
(And for the sake of the argument I assume you just wanted to demonstrate that wanting does not equal demanding and therefore the 'you' is of a more general kind.)

Quote from: jrientsWhat's being suggested here is that the brain damage debate left me with an unperceived impairment to my cognition.

...Or, y'know, that when the guy that most percieve as the leader of the Forge talks something usually considered crazy-talk, those people tend to see Forge posters as "guys that follow a crazy-talker".

See, that's not a big leap, if...

1) "Brain damage" really is crazy-talk.

and

2) The Forge is made up of "followers of Ron".

Which are both pretty regularly debated items.

Quote from: BalbinusBy taking stuff out of context, there is a risk in the process we leave behind the unstated parts of posts, the bits people didn't go into because they assumed the original audience understood them.  

That's why we provide links for our posts. Just like references in books, they allow the reader to go and check. "Did this guy really say that? Is this other guy misrepresenting him? Quoting out of context? Or what?"

Quote from: BalbinusI guess I slightly wonder what the point is of commenting on posts in other fora.

It's just a big conversation we're having. Sometimes, while sitting at the table in the coffee shop, we hear a bit of conversation on the next table over, and we comment on it at our own table. Maybe we're quoting out of context. Maybe we're being unfair to those guys. So what? It's just a stoking of the fires of the conversation over on our own table. If the guys on the next table don't like it, they can always wander over and join us, put their word in.

Quote from: SettembriniAnd no Tony will argument that away.

Someone was observing to me the other day that TonyLB, seems like all he does on forums these days is to wait for someone to diss the Forgers by quoting them, and then pop up with, "No, I don't think they meant exactly what they said..."

Which is a pity, because TonyLB used to have interesting things to say. Stuff like his "One Simple Thing" threads on rpg.net - didn't interest me, but obviously interested lots of other people. Nowadays he seems to just waste all that creative thought on being an apologist for stupid things Forgers have said.