Quote from: PaladinCA;364135And Ed, it isn't anything to AARRGGHH Wtf? about really. Regardless of your mechanics, it sounds like you had a good game. And plenty of people that play DitV have good games. No need for false and divisive swinery labels.

Nope.

It was several hours after I was home, and I my brain was working on very little sleep hours.
 I really did have tne mental thought equivalent opf : "AARRGGHH Wtf?" or "Oh Shit!" when I realized the parallel to the basic premise of PiTS...Sorry DiTV.

The main difference in attitude and style tho is that the characters in my scenario aren't harsh judges of the situation. They have to decide what is best for everybody - both native P'Chenqa and others that might stumble across the planet. When they destroyed that subspace radiop with their phaser beam - they were doing that so that other interstellar travelers would not be lured to the planet to make the cultural contamination worse ...or possibly exploiut the native population.

As for Puppies in the ...Dogs in the Vineyard? Kind of already know I would playing in or running the game.  There is a wikipedia article on it and other extracts I've read from it and about it.  Definitely a screwed up game as far as RPGs go.


And yeah - my players did have a good time.  The guy playing the Captain turns out to be an atheist in real life and has issues with religion in general. When the NPC leader of the P'Chenqa was referring to the Starfleret officers as 'Messengers of the Gods' or as ones that 'travel with and near the Gods' - he had a problem with that. As a result in-charascter he did his best to straighten out the idea and get the P'Chenqa thinking closer to the reality of the situation.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;364161As for Puppies in the ...Dogs in the Vineyard? Kind of already know I would playing in or running the game.  There is a wikipedia article on it and other extracts I've read from it and about it.  Definitely a screwed up game as far as RPGs go.

Do you find Dark Heresy screwed up at all?

Quote from: Peregrin;364164Do you find Dark Heresy screwed up at all?

You mean the 40K universe in general?

 Yes.

There are past threads on here somewhere where I lamented the lack of any 'sympathetic' or "good Guy" factions in the WH 40K universe.

The funny thing is that regular customers to the store who play WARHAMMER 40K all the time have agreed with me on that one.(!)


- Ed C.

I think there is something missing in the ST/DitV comparison and that's authority.  Not the authority of God or Starfleet Command/Elders, but in the PC party.  There's only one captain on a starfleet vessel.  Yeah sometimes Kirk, Spock or McCoy would work at cross purposes but for the most part it was "our party vs. the planet".  In DitV, all the Dogs are equal and in any given "episode" they may have different motivations, intents and holding different stakes in the various plots.  Dogs can very easily turn into a PvP game, which really doesn't fly too much in Starfleet.

You can hack that in pretty easily, though. "The highest escalation the crew can take against the captain is "Just talking'."

It throws the power balance out of whack but in an interesting way rather than just breaking it. And it fits since McCoy certainly never held back when he thought Kirk was doing something stupid.

But yeah, it's likely actual physical conflict would only be directed to non-Starfleet personnel. You still get judgement calls and arguments about those calls, which is the meaty stuff.

Quote from: Sweeney;364285You can hack that in pretty easily, though. "The highest escalation the crew can take against the captain is "Just talking'."

It throws the power balance out of whack but in an interesting way rather than just breaking it. And it fits since McCoy certainly never held back when he thought Kirk was doing something stupid.

But yeah, it's likely actual physical conflict would only be directed to non-Starfleet personnel. You still get judgement calls and arguments about those calls, which is the meaty stuff.

And, to finish that thought, McCoy followed the chain of command anyway. Kirk was the captain; it's not for the medical officer to countermand him (Except in certain circumstances, like the captain going crazy)