Does Modiphius think their RPGs are dangerous?

Omega · August 06, 2020, 12:35:34 AM

Quote from: S'mon;1143404But they make NAZIS bland!!! :-O

British RPG stuff hardly has a reputation for blandness, does it? Warhammer? Even TSR UK?

Actually Warhammer and 40k are really bland settings. They are very one-trick-ponies in setting and 90% of their content is "borrowed" from everything else. RPGs, books, movies. Its the blandest of the bland as there nothing original in the settings. This was a problem too from a few other UK based RPGs I've seen.

Jaeger · August 06, 2020, 12:41:48 AM

Quote from: Slambo;1143497Iirc you cant copywrite game mechanics so go ahead.

Just because something is perfectly legal doesn't mean that lawfare isn't effective.

You still got to cough up the six figure defense to prove that the law still says what it has always said.

Spinachcat · August 06, 2020, 04:43:42 AM

Quote from: tenbones;1143452As a "POC" it's become an issue for me in particular because I *don't* want to be chosen for a project because of the slant of my eyes, or the tone of my skin, and the flatness of my nose. I'd rather be on a project because my ideas and design are good.

The whole concept of the "diversity hire" is grotesque. It doesn't champion the value of a candidate. It erases their merit.

It's very telling how the "woman and the POC" didn't need names to elicit kudos from Modiphius' audience. That point really sticks in my craw.

Fun aside. I'm working with a Chinese client and he was pissed off because today two American morons apologized to him for bombing Hiroshima. I got an earful about "if they so woke, why can't they tell I'm Chinese" and "Japan deserved it for the rape of Nanjing" and "they called me Asian, like if I was from India."

I'm convinced SJW-ism is a fetish. Their worship of submission and purity reeks of deep rooted sexual issues.

S'mon · August 06, 2020, 05:04:56 AM

Quote from: Spinachcat;1143517Fun aside. I'm working with a Chinese client and he was pissed off because today two American morons apologized to him for bombing Hiroshima.

That's a good one.

SHARK · August 06, 2020, 06:08:53 AM

Quote from: Spinachcat;1143517I'm working with a Chinese client and he was pissed off because today two American morons apologized to him for bombing Hiroshima.

Greetings!

Modiphious are woke morons. I hope they go broke.

I would never apologize for the United States dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The Japanese Empire wanted to find out. They thought America was passive and weak, and rolled the dice. Damn right they got what was coming to them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Snowman0147 · August 06, 2020, 07:30:03 AM

Quote from: Jaeger;1143512Just because something is perfectly legal doesn't mean that lawfare isn't effective.

You still got to cough up the six figure defense to prove that the law still says what it has always said.

Yeah you gotta wait till the company goes bust, then you can take the good parts of the system without being sued.

Marchand · August 06, 2020, 07:37:33 AM

Quote from: Omega;1143511Actually Warhammer and 40k are really bland settings. They are very one-trick-ponies in setting and 90% of their content is "borrowed" from everything else. RPGs, books, movies. Its the blandest of the bland as there nothing original in the settings. This was a problem too from a few other UK based RPGs I've seen.

Warhammer and 40k in the earliest incarnations (back in the 80s) had a kind of 2000AD black humour to them. Apart from the mechanics, the content came from and the way the standard fantasy/SF tropes got refracted through a lens of this probably quite British sense of humour.

My working hypothesis is that got stripped out so it would sell better to the cousins, bless their overly literal-minded cotton socks.

Premier · August 06, 2020, 08:11:16 AM

Quote from: SHARK;1143520I would never apologize for the United States dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The Japanese Empire wanted to find out. They thought America was passive and weak, and rolled the dice. Damn right they got what was coming to them.

Slightly off-topic to social justice, but SHARK, you do realise that Japan attacked the US only because the US was provoking them, right? Had the US not instituted an oil embargo against Japan earlier that year, the Japanese would not have felt compelled to invade the Philippines. No Philippines invasion -> no Pearl Harbor.

Nobody's shedding any tears for what happened to the Japanese in WWII, but the fact of the matter is that as far as the US-Japan situation is concerned, the US was far from blameless for the escalation.

moonsweeper · August 06, 2020, 08:47:30 AM

Quote from: Premier;1143526Slightly off-topic to social justice, but SHARK, you do realise that Japan attacked the US only because the US was provoking them, right? Had the US not instituted an oil embargo against Japan earlier that year, the Japanese would not have felt compelled to invade the Philippines. No Philippines invasion -> no Pearl Harbor.

Nobody's shedding any tears for what happened to the Japanese in WWII, but the fact of the matter is that as far as the US-Japan situation is concerned, the US was far from blameless for the escalation.

uhhh... you realize the oil embargo/asset seizure was in 1941...the Japanese had started on Korea and China and the rest of the mainland 10 years earlier...and one year after the Japanese started interfering with US trade by seizing French Indochina...

As much as I love REH Conan, Space 1889, and Dune; the woke fuckers ain't getting my money. A shame since the Conan stuff seems so good.

hedgehobbit · August 06, 2020, 11:26:49 AM

Quote from: Premier;1143526Had the US not instituted an oil embargo against Japan earlier that year, the Japanese would not have felt compelled to invade the Philippines.

Two months before the US sanctions, Japan signed a non-agression pact with the Soviets in order to free up troops for the war with the US. The sanctions didn't start anything, they were just one step in the march to an inevitable war.

You need to question your source and find out why they lied to you.

tenbones · August 06, 2020, 11:52:04 AM

Quote from: SHARK;1143520Greetings!

Modiphious are woke morons. I hope they go broke.

I would never apologize for the United States dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The Japanese Empire wanted to find out. They thought America was passive and weak, and rolled the dice. Damn right they got what was coming to them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Obviously it's more nuanced than that -

Spoiler

Truman's projected numbers of casualties for taking Japan (the popular number they settled on was 1-million American troops dead) was largely propaganda to win popular support. You can see this in the days leading up to eventual bombing (against the advice of nearly all his military advisors - for fear of kicking off an arms race with Russia - which is exactly what happened) where the numbers were in the 10's of thousands, then the many 10's of thousands in the paper - trying to get plausible deniability in the American papers. Then the magic "million deaths" stuck, then it was bombs away! And that was only part of the issue...

Behind the scenes it was even more calculated, Japanese high-command were already privately communicating with the U.S. prior to the bombings (obviously they had no idea we had nukes) - but they were already offering to conditional surrender. Their primary main condition was "don't kill the Emperor". Their big fear wasn't the Americans - despite us firebombing the shit out of them, it was the fact the Russians were massing to invade them and their reasoning was that the Russians would invade and kill the Emperor as a matter of policy, because that's exactly what they did with their own Emperor.

Truman, not the brightest bulb, wanted to showcase to the Russians his new toys as a warning to the Red Army. The nukes did very little to deter Japan - they were already crushed. In fact, AFTER the nukes were dropped, Japanese high-command didn't even register Hiroshima and Nagasaki had disappeared for a day or two, because they were literally losing cities every night in our firebombing raids. The sad part is we demanded unconditional surrender - which only bought time to get the logistics of the bomb-drop in place. And ultimately gave them the conditions they wanted *after* we dropped the bombs. Which we now know were for other reasons.

But in the big picture... you're ultimately right. Which Japanese admiralty warned the Army not to rouse the sleeping giant. Giant's *do* love to throw big rocks.

S'mon · August 07, 2020, 03:24:09 AM

- The Japanese didn't surrender after Hiroshima
- Even after Nagasaki, there was an attempted coup to prevent the surrender
- It took two nukes AND the USSR declaring war on Japan to finally get the conditional surrender

I do think though that the nukes freed up the minds of both parties, USA as well as Japan, to talk peace. They were a big permission slip given to both sides. They let Japan surrender without losing face ("We can't fight that"), and they freed up the minds of the Americans not to quibble over the Emperor.

kidkaos2 · August 07, 2020, 08:25:50 PM

Letter I just sent to Modiphius:

Hello,
I just read that you are replacing Adam Koebel's gamemastering advice. The announcement specified that this will be advice from women and people of color.

As a disabled white man, I take it that means I am not going to be represented on your new team. I previously bought products from your Forbidden Lands and Conan product lines. Should I refrain from purchasing products from you in the future? Your announcement seems to indicate that you value people of certain identities and my identity is not one of those you value.

Thank you for your consideration on this matter,
Patrick

I sent a similar letter to the producers of Eclipse Phase a while back in response to their announcement that they didn't want men's rights activists playing their game. I said that since I am a man who values his civil rights does that mean you do not wish me to purchase your products? They were quick to tell me they did want my business. The point I was making flew right over their heads. I wonder if the same will happen with Modiphius.

SHARK · August 07, 2020, 09:07:58 PM

Quote from: kidkaos2;1143749Letter I just sent to Modiphius:

Hello,
I just read that you are replacing Adam Koebel's gamemastering advice. The announcement specified that this will be advice from women and people of color.

As a disabled white man, I take it that means I am not going to be represented on your new team. I previously bought products from your Forbidden Lands and Conan product lines. Should I refrain from purchasing products from you in the future? Your announcement seems to indicate that you value people of certain identities and my identity is not one of those you value.

Thank you for your consideration on this matter,
Patrick

I sent a similar letter to the producers of Eclipse Phase a while back in response to their announcement that they didn't want men's rights activists playing their game. I said that since I am a man who values his civil rights does that mean you do not wish me to purchase your products? They were quick to tell me they did want my business. The point I was making flew right over their heads. I wonder if the same will happen with Modiphius.

Greetings!

*laughing* Funny as hell, man! Great letter to them! Keep sticking it to them!:D

Of course, your deeper point flew right over their heads. Proceed to repeat it several times for them to get it. I know, it's shocking that these people can actually be that dense. (SHARK shakes his head)

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Darrin Kelley · August 07, 2020, 09:34:24 PM

I have bought exactly one RPG from Modiphius. And that was Monsters & Magic. And OSR game that I have developed an affection for. But it is also likely the only thing I plan on buying from that company.

Monsters & Magic is not supported by Modiphius. Promised books for it have gone unpublished. Which makes the game a clear low priority for them. Which is a pity. Because I rather like it.