Have they added anything positive to the world of RPGs?

Quote from: Razor 007;1133483Have they added anything positive to the world of RPGs?

   Not sure I understand fully the definition of what a SJW is anymore.   I do think a whole lot of people who spend a bit too much energy virtue signaling do contribute to RPGs.  I think lots of people who trend left are good at art/writing/creative.   I think a better question might be if left leaning people letting nutjobs try to push them over an edge has done anything for RPGs.   I say all this because SJW can be a degree and relativity question, and I think there are a whole bunch of virtue signaling folks who I have no idea what they really think, but they put up a front to avoid shitstorms.  The people who rush to cancel, who IME from what I have seen create nothing, anywhere have certainly done nothing for anyone, anywhere,  much less RPGs.

I would argue that Eclipse Phase was a significant contribution to the transhumanist sci-fi genre in RPGs and those developers are extremely left.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1133487I would argue that Eclipse Phase was a significant contribution to the transhumanist sci-fi genre in RPGs and those developers are extremely left.

   Which begs the question, is just being left SJW?  I am not so sure it is.

Quote from: oggsmash;1133488Which begs the question, is just being left SJW?  I am not so sure it is.

The question begging to be questioned here is: What's the point of this thread? Have black people ever contributed to  the hobby? Have gay people? Poor people? Religious?

WTF people.

Quote from: Itachi;1133489The question begging to be questioned here is: What's the point of this thread? Have black people ever contributed to  the hobby? Have gay people? Poor people? Religious?

WTF people.

Two of those things aren't like the others, and only the last one can be argued to be the equivalent of the SJW, so I call strawman and false equivalence.

SJW = Extreme left control freak, puritan, anti-sex, holier than thou ass-wipe.
Religious Fundamentalist = Extreme Right control freak, puritan, anti-sex, holier than thou ass-wipe.

I argue that the latter were "contributing" to the TTRPG hobby in the 80's, if it was of value I'll say no.

Similarly right now, the former are "contributing" to the TTRPG hobby, with the exact same amount of value being added to it.

Quote from: Itachi;1133489The question begging to be questioned here is: What's the point of this thread? Have black people ever contributed to  the hobby? Have gay people? Poor people? Religious?

WTF people.

Being a SJW is the same as being a race, sexual orientation or a religion?  I can buy religion, they seem to have a good deal of zealot behavior.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1133487I would argue that Eclipse Phase was a significant contribution to the transhumanist sci-fi genre in RPGs and those developers are extremely left.

Quote from: oggsmash;1133488Which begs the question, is just being left SJW?  I am not so sure it is.

Not necessarily. Not that the Left/Right terms mean anything anymore, though, I do believe that "SJWs" have taken over whatever the "Left" now is. But theoretically someone being "left" doesn't automatically make them a SJW, cuz being a SJWs is more about an attitude and specific ideology than being "left" alone.

For example, Grim Jim (formerly of Inappropriate Characters) identifies as "Left" and as a socialist, but he's an anti-SJWs and has been hounded by them. I also think that he once mentioned (a few years ago) an incident with the Eclipse Phase designers engaging discriminatory SJW stuff or something, but don't remember the details. Think it may have been in one of his videos, but it was a long time ago. But I guess some "SJWs" may have contributed something to the hobby after all.

Quote from: Itachi;1133489The question begging to be questioned here is: What's the point of this thread? Have black people ever contributed to  the hobby? Have gay people? Poor people? Religious?

WTF people.

The entire Cyberpunk RPG product line, along with several other R. Talsorian Games products and a bunch of other stuff,   were created by a black guy (Mike Pondsmith) so there's that.

Quote from: Razor 007;1133483Have they added anything positive to the world of RPGs?

Short answer, yes.

Longer answer: there are tons of perfectly good games out there that have been worked on, even created, by people who identify as SJWs. This of course has fuck-all to do with the SJW ideology. It's not surprising, either. Just because someone's incompetent in some regards doesn't mean they are(or that we should expect them to be) incompetent in all regards. Some of them can paint. Some can sing. And some can write interesting mechanics and settings. Terrible people can be talented, y'all!

Quote from: Razor 007;1133483Have they added anything positive to the world of RPGs?

So far? No. None at all. Nothing.
They consistently diminish whatever they touch or try to "represent" by doing it in such a way that it is offensive or detrimental to furthering anything other than increased tensions and ever increasing calls for censorship and suppression of whatever today they hallucinate is offensive.

I think it's the "warrior" in the term that's the problem.  Social Justice is like "anti-harm" or "life" or "puppies" it's generic, it's safe to say that few people will stand against it and those who do will be seen as unreasonable: puppy warriors, anti-harm warriors, life warriors  Anyhow, warriors want to fight, warriors are undisciplined and poorly trained rabble when compared with soldiers.  So, what we're talking about is undisciplined rabble looking for a fight, social justice is just an excuse, a moving goal post that can safely be pushed just beyond any who oppose them.

That and "Social Justice" is too easily abused an ideal just like Political Correctness before it and Moral Guardian before that and so on.

These "movements" are invariably built on either some "problem" that must be fixed that usually hasnt been a problem for a while, if ever. Or calls for some form of censoring. Usually "think of the children!" or sometimes "to protect the minorities!" or both. But never actually do anything for the cause or people they are supposedly "helping" other than to make things worse or nothing changes as all they do is try to censor media or rile up people against "oppression".

And they have some new buzzword or two that they force on everyone to use or else get pained as racist or whatever-ist.

This is why people get so resistant. This is why the people they are trying to "help" get resistant, or outright hostile. We seen it before. You aint fooling us.

Dungeon World, simplest fantasy rpg to run ever.

The proper term is Social Justice Fighter.

Fighters are real. Like Freedom Fighter. Liberation Fighter.

Warriors are from colonist, largely white racist cultures. And are associated with power-fantasies. Which are not real. SCIENCE people. Don't deny my science.

Edit: seriously, I don't care. If anything, the silver-lining on this shit-colored cloud that has descended on our hobby (and culture at large) is that it shows many people how stupid humans really are and serves as something we should endeavor to avoid in the future. Assuming there is a future from this.)

Quote from: oggsmash;1133494Being a SJW is the same as being a race, sexual orientation or a religion?  I can buy religion, they seem to have a good deal of zealot behavior.

The reasoning is the same: a preconception based on a characteristic that's orthogonal to the capacity to produce quality works.  Anyone can produce quality (or bad) works, whatever their ethny, religion, political stance or whatever.

A more interesting discussion would be: are there overt pamphletary or opiniated games that are actually good from a pure gameplay POV?