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Do players that love D&D 4e hate the D&D 5e playtest?

Started by Shawn Driscoll, May 31, 2012, 12:49:17 AM

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jibbajibba

#75
May 31, 2012, 05:21:55 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;544202As for 4e I would also play it again with the right people.

As Kyle would say were he still with us, 'it's all about the people and the snacks, now roll the dice and shut the fuck up...'
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Marleycat

#76
May 31, 2012, 05:22:37 PM Last Edit: May 31, 2012, 05:25:25 PM by Marleycat
Quote from: Benoist;544203Nope. You've seen the Harry Potter movies, right? Sirius Black?
That's Gary Oldman in the pic. His "Wanted" poster in the Prisoner of Azkaban.

Yeah, I watched some of Harry Potter. Gary Oldman always makes great villians just like Kevin Spacey.
QuoteAs Kyle would say were he still with us, 'it's all about the people and the snacks, now roll the dice and shut the fuck up...'
Most definitely that's why Sigmund is spot on about "Mother May I". It really is about the human interaction (good snacks, beer, etc never hurt either).
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Benoist

#77
May 31, 2012, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: jibbajibba;544205As Kyle would say were he still with us, 'it's all about the people and the snacks, now roll the dice and shut the fuck up...'

People Snacks Setting System. In that order. Brought a smile to my face. :)

Sacrosanct

#78
May 31, 2012, 05:26:18 PM
Hell, I'd play just about any game with the right people because it's a social past time.  It's the people around you that make the game great, or make the game suck much moreso than any particular ruleset.  That's why we sit there face to face in actual conversation.  I think that gets lost on a lot of this generation--the people make the experience, not the rules.  The rules are just guidelines to help facilitate your particular level of fun.

Christ, now I sound like a bitter old man.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Benoist

#79
May 31, 2012, 05:27:53 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;544208Hell, I'd play just about any game with the right people because it's a social past time.  It's the people around you that make the game great, or make the game suck much moreso than any particular ruleset.  That's why we sit there face to face in actual conversation.  I think that gets lost on a lot of this generation--the people make the experience, not the rules.  The rules are just guidelines to help facilitate your particular level of fun.

Christ, now I sound like a bitter old man.
Maybe to the young hipsters you do, but you also make a lot of damn sense to me, bud. ;)

Sacrosanct

#80
May 31, 2012, 05:29:30 PM
Quote from: Benoist;544207People Snacks Setting System. In that order. Brought a smile to my face. :)

You posted this as I was drafting my mini rant, and I'm stealing it.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Benoist

#81
May 31, 2012, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;544211You posted this as I was drafting my mini rant, and I'm stealing it.

Kyle Aaron, who used to post here, was saying that all the time, and he was right. :)

selfdeleteduser00001

#82
May 31, 2012, 05:36:41 PM
Hee hee, D&D edition wars, ho ho, how cute. Play badly children.
:-|

Shawn Driscoll

#83
May 31, 2012, 05:38:40 PM Last Edit: May 31, 2012, 05:41:09 PM by Shawn Driscoll
Quote from: B.T.;543967There sure are.  Just not on this site.

The forums I visit don't seem to have any 4e players that are against or hate D&D Next.  I haven't seen any hate rants about the 5th edition rules on YouTube so far.  I just now answered WOTC's 5e playtest questionnaire I got in my email today.  I hope there are not 4e players sending them bogus info to derail 5e's development.

Sacrosanct

#84
May 31, 2012, 05:40:20 PM
Quote from: tzunder;544214Hee hee, D&D edition wars, ho ho, how cute. Play badly children.

Except no one is arguing an edition war.  One person made a comment against 4e in general, but none of us are arguing that point.  We are arguing against a behavior.  No one is saying that any edition sucks.  We are saying that people who play with a particular play style sucks, regardless of edition.  Just so happens that many people of that behavior are currently playing 4e, but that's not 4e's fault.

Go back to drinking warm beer.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Benoist

#85
May 31, 2012, 05:43:11 PM
Yeah. I did make the 4e-bashing comment, and yes, it was totally over the top. On purpose.

Marleycat

#86
May 31, 2012, 05:48:17 PM
The thing is you're right in a way. It's a very tight ruleset and it's stellar at supporting the playstyle it was built for. The monster creation stuff is great and there are other really nice elements to it.

Problem is Dnd is a kitchen sink game and is supposed to support many different playstyes.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Sacrosanct

#87
May 31, 2012, 05:51:25 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;544219The thing is you're right in a way. It's a very tight ruleset and it's stellar at supporting the playstyle it was built for. The monster creation stuff is great and there are other really nice elements to it.

Problem is Dnd is a kitchen sink game and is supposed to support many different playstyes.

Exactly!

4e seems to have one of the best presentations (BECMI and B/X are also up there) of any version, is by far the best for tactical combat, and is the most balanced of any of the editions.

But in achieving that, they went far away from what made D&D D&D and limited itself far too much into a particular niche.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Bedrockbrendan

#88
May 31, 2012, 05:52:14 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;544219The thing is you're right in a way. It's a very tight ruleset and it's stellar at supporting the playstyle it was built for. The monster creation stuff is great and there are other really nice elements to it.

Problem is Dnd is a kitchen sink game and is supposed to support many different playstyes.

This is the heart of 4E's problem I think. If it was just some new game or D&D side project, it would have found an audience and folks like us wouldn't have cared one bit. However it was D&D and it was an edition of the game that seemed to be built with a small group of the play base in mind. So it created waves, not because it was too ahead of its time or too new, but because it was not what many wanted from D&D.

B.T.

#89
May 31, 2012, 05:55:52 PM
Quote from: Benoist;544188No. The reason it sticks out is that 4e is a completely different game that sucked the dick of the Forge and tried to be this "coherent" Tactico-storygame, whereas there is, despite the numerous twist and turns noticeable throughout the game's history, a recognizable tradition stretching from the OD&D roots all the way down into 3rd ed's design and, hopefully, beyond into 5e as well.

That's what these guys are railing against. They're railing against actual D&D.
Truth.  As I have said before and as I will say again: good role-playing games must arise organically; they cannot be planned out with a checklist of design goals.  Once you have the game, you can iron out the kinks.  But 4e was the opposite--it put game design before D&D's quirks and traditions--and it was a pile of shit.
Quote from: Black Vulmea;530561Y\'know, I\'ve learned something from this thread. Both B.T. and Koltar are idiots, but whereas B.T. possesses a malign intelligence, Koltar is just a drooling fuckwit.

So, that\'s something, I guess.
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