Quote from: Sacrosanct;544575I never said 4e can't be lethal.  I said that it is less lethal than previous editions

The frustration is understandable. Among the explicit design goals of 4e was to make low level combat and save or die effects less dangerous. Worked fine for me as most my 3.X games started at 2nd or 3rd level anyways.

Hey Sommerjon, I've got a great bridge for you to live under rent free. It'll help you save up and take a reading class.

Quote from: One Horse Town;544579Dunno, mate. I think they've all been scared off.

Not me, I'm still here.

Quote from: One Horse Town;544579Dunno, mate. I think they've all been scared off.

I don't hate 4e but I'm primary a 3x player and that isn't considered to be in the old school club.

Quote from: Darwinism;544463Actually, monsters do more damage on average, which solves your first two points and your fourth, save-or-die is a stupid mechanic on both sides of the table because unless you're playing OD&D you get to go through a half-hour to an hour plus of chargen because of a single failed roll, rolled HP is a really really bad legacy mechanic that you don't see anymore because outside of people stockholmed into thinking it's ~*so great*~ it accomplishes nothing but presenting another barrier to entry.

Seriously, you present the idea that it's not as lethal because either you've never played it or you played it purposefully just to hate it more. I mean, come on, your spout of idiocy would be like me claiming that all OD&D could ever be was Fantasy Vietnam with 120 minutes of ambush setup before each 10 minute fight and that it was literally impossible to ever play it differently.

You make huge blanket statements based on a complete lack of any sort of knowledge and then try to place the burden of proof onto other people because you know you can't prove anything.

Hey, assface, you might not like high-lethality mechanics like save-or-dies, but that doesn't mean the game isn't less lethal without them.

You are the worst poster on these forums.  Far worse than I am, and I routinely shit up perfectly good threads.  If you were just a dumbfuck 4venger you would be tolerable.  As it stands, you're a ranting, irrational turd of a human being.

Quote from: DestroyYouAlot;544594That was yesterday.

It's a sad day when even I get mentioned on grognards.txt. How irrelevant can you get?

Quote from: One Horse Town;544579Dunno, mate. I think they've all been scared off.

As I said, I like 4e, and I also like D&D Next (so far). And I've seen others say the same, here.  I think you notice the squeaky wheels more than the more agreeable people.

Quote from: Marleycat;544677How irrelevant can you get?

Darwinism, sommerjon....

Quote from: jeff37923;544686Darwinism, sommerjon....

Well my bridge is big enough for them to share ....

Quote from: B.T.;544673Hey, assface, you might not like high-lethality mechanics like save-or-dies, but that doesn't mean the game isn't less lethal without them.

It depends; Battletoads is high-lethality for arbitrary reasons, like earlier D&D versions. A similar game, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, is also very lethal at higher difficulties without being so intellectually bankrupt as having to resort to hurrr durrr you touched a spike you die gameplay mechanics.

Yeah, maybe it's easier to die in Battletoads. But an actual decent game can be nearly equally lethal while presenting players with actual choices to mitigate lethality. Marvel can be nearly equal in terms of lethality, it's just that death is more due to the players making the wrong choices instead of being told, "Woops, you failed your save vs. poison/the orc hit you for max damage," which makes many players wonder why they're even there. And is also a reason most prior edition games don't start at level 1.

Seriously no one responded to 'high lethality' only existing at levels 1-3. You invest so much into other editions being more lethal while being so incapable of realizing that the absolute majority of the game is not more lethal.

Quote from: B.T.;544673You are the worst poster on these forums.  Far worse than I am, and I routinely shit up perfectly good threads.  If you were just a dumbfuck 4venger you would be tolerable.  As it stands, you're a ranting, irrational turd of a human being.

Hahaha no you still take the cake, racism-is-okay dude. I mean come on you're just a horrible person. I may not have popular opinions about elfgames and I may not espouse them in a manner that RPGSite tolerates, but you're objectively one of the most disgusting people alive that I've encountered! When it all comes down to it, we disagree about how we play pretend but you'll always be pretty much contemptible in every way.

Seriously you value elfgame arguments higher than you do actual real people. You're fucked in the head, man.

Quote from: Marleycat;544677It's a sad day when even I get mentioned on grognards.txt. How irrelevant can you get?

Actually you're pretty groggy, I mean come on there's a reason this site gets quoted so often. It's pure strain grog. I mean come on the entire site is built around RPG elitism.


Oh guys by the way SA doesn't really give a shit about you, it's just a small subsection of a subforum (and said subforum is bigger and more active than you, man bet that burns) finds you absolutely hilarious.

Actually, i think Darwinism wins. (Edit - well, before his edit, anyhow.)

What is this game "Battletards" and where can I get it?

Quote from: One Horse Town;544817Actually, i think Darwinism wins. (Edit - well, before his edit, anyhow.)

Well, at the end of the day I just go to sleep; people here bring me up left and right like I'm some kind of bogeyman. It's kind of flattering!

Quote from: talysman;544824What is this game "Battletards" and where can I get it?

I think you mean Battletoads. Battletards is the totally retarded old-school version, replete with wineskins, 10 foot-poles, and caltrops.

Quote from: jrients;544420Equipment lists.  Magic item descriptions, particularly the artifacts and relics.  Treasure type tables.  Which races you can play and which you can't.  The spells with proper names in them.  The classes that come with implicit organizations attached to them (Thief's Guild, Assassin's Guild, Druidic hierarchy, Bardic colleges).  The domain rules.  The wandering monster tables.

And...

In AD&D the gods are real. Period.

Alignment. Tied specifically to the gods and outer planar powers.

Alignment languages.

GG's description of how how magic works and how the MU taps the Positive & Negative Material Planes.

That reminds me. Vancian casting.  

Tons from the Monster Manual. Baby orcs exist and comprise a certain % of the inhabitants of a lair. Etc.