Quote from: BedrockBrendan;544017I see a lot of anger from the hardcore 4E fans. Expect to see bargaining next.

Whereas I'm hoping that we see mass suicides next.  Remember, this isn't just a game, it's part of their personal identities.

Quote from: Piestrio;544012I think, if you look at what they were saying leading up to it, with the almost gleeful slaughter of "sacred cows*" they knew what they were doing.

I think they knew what there plans were, I don't think they realised why those plans would never work.

Quote from: thecasualoblivion;544016The above describes me and my entire gaming circle. The emphasis on mother-may-I style gaming is the primary deal breaker, while the lack of character abilities(particularly on the Fighter and Rogue) and the boring ass monster rules are also major negatives.

OP:  The above is an example of what we're talking about.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;544025OP:  The above is an example of what we're talking about.

He is a bitter non-gamer whose opinions don't matter because he refuses to keep moving forward and is holding the hobby back because he is stuck with nostalgia gaming, so his opinions don't matter.  Meanwhile the rest of the world is playing the latest and greatest and having fun while his world has been reduced to bitching about an edition he doesn't even play.  Grognards.  What are you gonna do, right?

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;544017I see a lot of anger from the hardcore 4E fans. Expect to see bargaining next.

They don't bargain, that's "mother-may-I".  

Quote from: thedungeondelver;544031He is a bitter non-gamer whose opinions don't matter because he refuses to keep moving forward and is holding the hobby back because he is stuck with nostalgia gaming, so his opinions don't matter.  Meanwhile the rest of the world is playing the latest and greatest and having fun while his world has been reduced to bitching about an edition he doesn't even play.  Grognards.  What are you gonna do, right?

You're incorrigible.

Quote from: CRKrueger;544035They don't bargain, that's "mother-may-I".  

Their phases will go something like : Denial, Anger, Anger, Anger, Anger.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;544042Their phases will go something like : Denial, Anger, Anger, Anger, Anger.

I think they went through Denial before it was announced ("There's not going to be a 5e anytime soon, they just released Essentials!")

My 1 theory: Most players of any edition don't really care about other editions, not even enough to complain about it. They may tease other people about their edition choice, much in the same way sports fans may tease each other about their favorite team; they may also, if asked, explain what they don't like about Edition X. But they don't care if other people prefer an edition other than the one they play. BUT...

There is a very small group of players in each edition who are overly sensitive about any teasing or criticism of their favorite edition, and they scan all forums for "attacks".

And there is a somewhat larger group, currently centered on 4e, but not exclusive to 4e, who consider "I don't play X" or even "I play Y" to be an attack. And this group is LOUD. And the kind of person who does that doesn't just do it about RPGs, but about everything -- music choice, favorite films, favorite food... a friend of mine once stumbled across an argument over how you're supposed to wipe yourself after using the toilet.

There are some people who just can't stand the idea of personal tastes.

Quote from: talysman;544114I think they went through Denial before it was announced ("There's not going to be a 5e anytime soon, they just released Essentials!")

My 1 theory: Most players of any edition don't really care about other editions, not even enough to complain about it. They may tease other people about their edition choice, much in the same way sports fans may tease each other about their favorite team; they may also, if asked, explain what they don't like about Edition X. But they don't care if other people prefer an edition other than the one they play. BUT...

There is a very small group of players in each edition who are overly sensitive about any teasing or criticism of their favorite edition, and they scan all forums for "attacks".

And there is a somewhat larger group, currently centered on 4e, but not exclusive to 4e, who consider "I don't play X" or even "I play Y" to be an attack. And this group is LOUD. And the kind of person who does that doesn't just do it about RPGs, but about everything -- music choice, favorite films, favorite food... a friend of mine once stumbled across an argument over how you're supposed to wipe yourself after using the toilet.

There are some people who just can't stand the idea of personal tastes.

I do think it is a personality thing. It is the same sort of person who gets mad if you didn't like a movie they thought was great.

Quote from: talysman;544114There are some people who just can't stand the idea of personal tastes.

This is the reaction of 4e fans to 5e.  And any other versions of D&D.  This is people literally insisting nobody gets to have fun with any version of D&D, ever, except 4e.  

This is what's being fought against.  I know I kid with the AM-esque posts but these people need to fucking leave my hobby and never come back.  They didn't want D&D, they wanted...I don't know and don't care what they wanted.

However, like I said before they're going through the D-A-A-A-A stages.  That thread I linked to proves it.  So when I say things like "go back to Somethingawful", yeah, I'm not fucking kidding.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;544117I do think it is a personality thing. It is the same sort of person who gets mad if you didn't like a movie they thought was great.

I never really liked The Big Lebowski

Quote from: Sacrosanct;544120I never really liked The Big Lebowski

Then you, sir, hate America.


Yeah, never seen it myself.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;544118This is the reaction of 4e fans to 5e.  And any other versions of D&D.  This is people literally insisting nobody gets to have fun with any version of D&D, ever, except 4e.  

Meh, that was written by people who think no other edition existed prior to 3e (as evidenced by their complaints of problems that didn't exist prior to 3e, like access to scrolls&wands), so take it with a grain of salt

QuoteSo when I say things like "go back to Somethingawful", yeah, I'm not fucking kidding.

I've come to the conclusion that SA forums consist of 35% of people who do nothing but quote people from other sites in an attempt to create conversation on their forum, rather than actually start one on their own.  It's especially sad when someone pulls a quote from another site and replies to it.  What, do they expect the person who made the quote to see what they said and create a SA account just to reply back?

SMH

Quote from: thedungeondelver;544118This is the reaction of 4e fans to 5e.  And any other versions of D&D.  This is people literally insisting nobody gets to have fun with any version of D&D, ever, except 4e.  

This is what's being fought against.  I know I kid with the AM-esque posts but these people need to fucking leave my hobby and never come back.  They didn't want D&D, they wanted...I don't know and don't care what they wanted.

However, like I said before they're going through the D-A-A-A-A stages.  That thread I linked to proves it.  So when I say things like "go back to Somethingawful", yeah, I'm not fucking kidding.

I've said it before and will say it again, that forum is the most aptly named site on the internet.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;544121Then you, sir, hate America.


Yeah, never seen it myself.