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Do players that love D&D 4e hate the D&D 5e playtest?

Started by Shawn Driscoll, May 31, 2012, 12:49:17 AM

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Shawn Driscoll

May 31, 2012, 12:49:17 AM
Are there any D&D players that love 4th edition that hate the new D&D 5th edition playtest rules?

Piestrio

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May 31, 2012, 12:56:02 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;543945Are there any D&D players that love 4th edition that hate the new D&D 5th edition playtest rules?

From what I've seen around various forums there is a metric ton of butt-hurt from the loudest 4e fans.
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Kuroth

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May 31, 2012, 01:18:59 AM
The time between Original D&D and Advanced D&D was five years.  So, the time frame really is ok, even though it may seem short to folks that are older.  The concept they are chasing seems challenging, which is where it should be for the iconic role-play game.  So, over all it is proceeding in a good way from my perspective of liking D&D4 and Original D&D / AD&D 1.

Sacrosanct

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May 31, 2012, 01:25:29 AM
I would say most.  But it's not limited to 4e fans.  People in general are really resistant to change, so you've got 4e fans who are looking for any excuse to rant and hate on D&D next, even going so far as to make threats that they will actively try to hurt the next version.  I have no idea how that's supposed to happen, but that's what they are saying.

I imagine it was much the same when 4e came out.
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May 31, 2012, 01:28:36 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;543945Are there any D&D players that love 4th edition that hate the new D&D 5th edition playtest rules?
There sure are.  Just not on this site.
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May 31, 2012, 01:51:17 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;543945Are there any D&D players that love 4th edition that hate the new D&D 5th edition playtest rules?

I don't love 4e I like 4e.  I found the playtest to be rather weaksauce.  It was to disjointed trying to pull in from too many editions at once and(to me) suffered for it.
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Melan

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May 31, 2012, 02:48:18 AM
Quote from: Piestrio;543948From what I've seen around various forums there is a metric ton of butt-hurt from the loudest 4e fans.
Yeah, especially people who only started to play D&D with 4e (Kiero, anyone?), and people who actively dismiss D&Disms as "legacy mechanics" or "sacred cows". It makes sense.
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1of3

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May 31, 2012, 02:52:15 AM
No. I see great potential in some of their choices, and I'm indifferent to most of the rest. Whether or not I consider the game, depends on chargen.

Piestrio

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May 31, 2012, 03:25:43 AM
Quote from: Melan;543985Yeah, especially people who only started to play D&D with 4e (Kiero, anyone?), and people who actively dismiss D&Disms as "legacy mechanics" or "sacred cows". It makes sense.

Yeah, it just further confirms my suspicions that 4e was, ultimately, designed for people who didn't like D&D (or at least were high dissatisfied with it).
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Marleycat

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May 31, 2012, 03:34:28 AM
Actually from what I've seen the butthurt has only been suffered by either a subset of old schoolers like Benoist and even he still has an open mind and the subset of 4e players that's worried the Fighter will be 3e style with no options to alter it.
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jadrax

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May 31, 2012, 04:44:35 AM
Quote from: Piestrio;543991Yeah, it just further confirms my suspicions that 4e was, ultimately, designed for people who didn't like D&D (or at least were high dissatisfied with it).

I think it was more that it was designed by people who simply did not understand D&D, at least initially. By the time you get to Essentials, I think that had been rectified, but by that time the train had long left the station for most people.


Its interesting that at ENWorld, 5th seems to be getting a pretty positive reaction from people who currently play 4th*. Its on RPG.net and the official WotC forums where your getting a significant anti 5th pressence from 4th edition fans.


*and from people who play every other edition as it happens.

Skywalker

#11
May 31, 2012, 07:30:35 AM
4e fans seem to be reacting to 5e the worst out of all from what I have seen. I suspect a chunk if that simply the reaction to one's favourite edition being eclipsed.

Piestrio

#12
May 31, 2012, 07:40:24 AM
Quote from: jadrax;543996I think it was more that it was designed by people who simply did not understand D&D, at least initially. By the time you get to Essentials, I think that had been rectified, but by that time the train had long left the station for most people.

I think, if you look at what they were saying leading up to it, with the almost gleeful slaughter of "sacred cows*" they knew what they were doing.

*"sacred cows" are of course everything that made D&D unique and everything the people who use that term hated.
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thecasualoblivion

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May 31, 2012, 08:24:20 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;543945Are there any D&D players that love 4th edition that hate the new D&D 5th edition playtest rules?

The above describes me and my entire gaming circle. The emphasis on mother-may-I style gaming is the primary deal breaker, while the lack of character abilities(particularly on the Fighter and Rogue) and the boring ass monster rules are also major negatives.
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