Here is the link to the post that is pinned to the subreddit by the mods there
https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/s7bq1j/reaffirming_rosrs_support_for_diversity/
Quote from: Ravenshire on January 19, 2022, 12:30:50 PM
Here is the link to the post that is pinned to the subreddit by the mods there
https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/s7bq1j/reaffirming_rosrs_support_for_diversity/
Treat others with respect, don't harass other people, and--especially--your own status in a mentioned group doesn't grant special privileges, should not be objectionable and doesn't seem especially woke to me.
I was starting to get concerned it was just, you know, insufficiently committed to Diversity, what with the rainbow logo and all.
Well that's a relief!
1) It's Reddit, and Reddit is generally very socially left.
2) The basic message is 'be excellent to each other' and 'the rules apply to everyone'. The second clause is relatively non-woke, actually.
This ain't new to Reddit, but from the comments I gathered that this is linked to Pundit's appearance at Dollipop Livestream on Gender in RPGs recently.
Apparently people made some comments discussing that video that may have been directed at people's identity. I'm guessing they crapped on Dollipop and Taylor, cuz that's what SJWs do whenever women or minorities get uppity and start thinking for themselves.
Quote from: VisionStorm on January 19, 2022, 01:19:13 PM
This ain't new to Reddit, but from the comments I gathered that this is linked to Pundit's appearance at Dollipop Livestream on Gender in RPGs recently.
Apparently people made some comments discussing that video that may have been directed at people's identity. I'm guessing they crapped on Dollipop and Taylor, cuz that's what SJWs do whenever women or minorities get uppity and start thinking for themselves.
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Reading the reddit thread, it's the usual back-patting over being "diverse" and "against harassment", but only for their little clique of Social Justice Nitwits.
Quote from: Dark Train on January 19, 2022, 01:13:31 PM
1) It's Reddit, and Reddit is generally very socially left.
2) The basic message is 'be excellent to each other' and 'the rules apply to everyone'. The second clause is relatively non-woke, actually.
The basic message is always mild and generally acceptable.
And then they call you a fascist for talking out of turn. (https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/s7bq1j/comment/htc1byl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
The message, taken literally, is a good message at its core. We'll know if it's woke if the moderators start to act opposite these words and start imposing more restrictions and banning people for speaking their minds.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on January 19, 2022, 01:42:27 PM
Quote from: Dark Train on January 19, 2022, 01:13:31 PM
1) It's Reddit, and Reddit is generally very socially left.
2) The basic message is 'be excellent to each other' and 'the rules apply to everyone'. The second clause is relatively non-woke, actually.
The basic message is always mild and generally acceptable.
And then they call you a fascist for talking out of turn. (https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/s7bq1j/comment/htc1byl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
That's because Communists hate Fascists, despite their apparent authoritarian similarities.
Quote from: RebelSky on January 19, 2022, 01:47:48 PM
The message, taken literally, is a good message at its core. We'll know if it's woke if the moderators start to act opposite these words and start imposing more restrictions and banning people for speaking their minds.
This is actually just another brick in the wall...
They actively censor any mention of Zak (it has its own rule), they censored Raggi and LOTFP only mildly backing off after outrage from the members of the sub, and they routinely forget their "everybody deserves respect" when ACKS is mentioned and the usual suspects lose their mind.
/r/OSR has been a woke shit hole for a while. They have a hate boner for Autarch, they gobbled the Zack/Mandy drama up like candy, and they suck off every lefty OSR designer that comes up. Fuck'em.
Quote from: Arkansan on January 19, 2022, 04:02:53 PM
/r/OSR has been a woke shit hole for a while. They have a hate boner for Autarch, they gobbled the Zack/Mandy drama up like candy, and they suck off every lefty OSR designer that comes up. Fuck'em.
You are my inner-monologue, my good sir.
Quote from: Reddit OSR modPlease remember that respectful arguments and disagreement are NOT harassment. It may feel like it, and I encourage you to reach out to the mods if you think you're being harassed in any sense. But if people are arguing with you, please consider that it may NOT be because of your status, but because your opinion needs reevaluation.
That's a rather strange way to Do Woke. It actually sounds anti-Woke.
Give it a year and the OSR will have been co-opted even more that it already has.
Anyone who thought this would never happen was deluding themselves. Any bastion of resistance must be infiltrated and converted to the cult.
Quote from: Omega on January 19, 2022, 06:27:42 PM
Give it a year and the OSR will have been co-opted even more that it already has.
Anyone who thought this would never happen was deluding themselves. Any bastion of resistance must be infiltrated and converted to the cult.
The OSR is decentralized. You can co-op reddit all you want, the rest of the OSR will just shrug and go on their merry way.
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2022, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: Omega on January 19, 2022, 06:27:42 PM
Give it a year and the OSR will have been co-opted even more that it already has.
Anyone who thought this would never happen was deluding themselves. Any bastion of resistance must be infiltrated and converted to the cult.
The OSR is decentralized. You can co-op reddit all you want, the rest of the OSR will just shrug and go on their merry way.
So are RPG publishers. And yet here we are with every few months another one gets co-opted somehow.
All they have to do is get enough control and start dictating the conversation and sooner or larer others will fall into lock-step with them by ignorance, force, or necessity.
Well, if they are just saying 'let's all be respectful to one and other and that everyone is welcome." Then, they are going a very long winded way about it. it sounds like they are doing quite a bit of virtue signalling by using that very particular type of modern verbiage designed to appeal to those woke scold gamers.
Do you really need to break it all down and bring up very specific concepts. I think not... You just say, 'don't be a dick and everyone is welcome.' Simple, really. Unless you want to fly that flag of course.
Quote from: Omega on January 19, 2022, 06:27:42 PM
Give it a year and the OSR will have been co-opted even more that it already has.
Anyone who thought this would never happen was deluding themselves. Any bastion of resistance must be infiltrated and converted to the cult.
They already tried this and it didn't work out so well. Then they created SWORD DREAM. That didn't work out so well either. Probably because the culture of the OSR is only interested in gaming as a whole, and not worried about using a gaming hobby as a platform for social justice.
With no centralized platform or control of the OSR movement, all efforts are doomed to fail, no matter how hard they try.
Well....the statement alone is unproblematic but it's reddit. And there's better places to discuss the OSR really (especially when they have such a hard on for Venger and Pundit).
Why the fuck are people still going to reddit?
Just assume it's trash and move on.
Quote from: Ravenshire on January 19, 2022, 12:30:50 PM
Here is the link to the post that is pinned to the subreddit by the mods there
https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/s7bq1j/reaffirming_rosrs_support_for_diversity/
Everything goes woke eventually.
Quote from: Omega on January 19, 2022, 06:27:42 PM
Give it a year and the OSR will have been co-opted even more that it already has.
Anyone who thought this would never happen was deluding themselves. Any bastion of resistance must be infiltrated and converted to the cult.
I am cautiously optimistic. It seems the co-opting attempt actually failed, and the ideologues have been trying to slowly disengage and disavow ever since. Their problem is that old-school gaming is a category that has active players and sells books, and itch.io doesn't. For now, we are stuck in a situation where the actual split has happened years ago, the sides have gone their respective ways, but they are still linked by some nebulous word association, mostly contrary to their actual wishes.
(If the split actually happened, they would definitely try to firebomb the scene. You'd be guaranteed to see the "We had a beautiful creative OSR scene, but then chuds killed it" attack articles from the clickbait press.)
Like RPG.net (The Big Purple), I never felt there was a 'there' there with Reddit. Outside of the occasional lulz it felt very walking on eggshells, bandwagons, and groupthink. I get sent links but it keeps reminding me I really don't think I am missing out on good intercourse.
Where is the good osr discourse found?
Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on January 20, 2022, 09:53:26 AM
Where is the good osr discourse found?
This is as good a spot as any if you want to be able to say whatever comes to mind. Most of it seems to focused on general OSR blogs or forums specializing in particular games. So for instance if you want to go in obscene levels of detail about OD&D the OD&D proboard is your best bet. Dragonsfoot used to be the spot for AD&D, IDK anymore. One of the strengths and weaknesses of the OSR has always been that it's more a nebulous thought sphere than an organism with a central nervous system.
Greetings!
Yeah, exactly, Arkansan. Nothing wrong with here, at all. This site breathes OSR.
I'm surprised mAcular Chaotic even asked such a question.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on January 20, 2022, 09:53:26 AM
Where is the good osr discourse found?
I'll third here. We have fantastic designers and tinkerers here. I've seen some really great design threads, from psionics to cultural settings (without worrying about cultural appropriation being bandied about).
I've only recently joined this forum, and it appears as if the rules quite literally are not enforced, specifically the "no political discussions" prohibition. What's up with that?
This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.
Quote from: DeadVerySoon on January 20, 2022, 12:20:59 PM
I've only recently joined this forum, and it appears as if the rules quite literally are not enforced, specifically the "no political discussions" prohibition. What's up with that?
Why do you a nooooooby even care?
Pundit will warn you if you deviate too far from RPG related politics. If you keep going you get banned.
Yes, elsewhere, this is clarified. The quote I posted suggested to my mind that the rule was "no politics at all", but that is not the case.
Quote from: DeadVerySoon on January 20, 2022, 12:56:51 PM
Yes, elsewhere, this is clarified. The quote I posted suggested to my mind that the rule was "no politics at all", but that is not the case.
And again, why are you so concerned about this I wonder? Hm..
Quote from: DeadVerySoon on January 20, 2022, 12:56:51 PM
Yes, elsewhere, this is clarified. The quote I posted suggested to my mind that the rule was "no politics at all", but that is not the case.
I'm curious what is considered politics honestly. I mean I know that can cover myriad different things. If politics is defined like TBP or reddit defines it then yeah, I guess there's violations. But the beauty about this site is you can mention Zak S without coping a ban (not the only example but an easy one). You don't have to like Pundit/Venger and be on this site. Just be an adult (I know that's asking a lot sometimes)
I'd say most of us are adult enough and been around enough to know when that line is crossed (that's ambiguous maybe to some thinking). We have regulars that regularly piss each other off but it doesn't end in banning (unless you push pundit too far like the afore mentioned).
Quote from: DeadVerySoon on January 20, 2022, 12:20:59 PM
I've only recently joined this forum, and it appears as if the rules quite literally are not enforced, specifically the "no political discussions" prohibition. What's up with that?
This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.
Read the title of this thread, and you may figure it out.
Quote from: Ravenshire on January 19, 2022, 12:30:50 PM
Here is the link to the post that is pinned to the subreddit by the mods there
https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/s7bq1j/reaffirming_rosrs_support_for_diversity/
Ironically, it sure looks like this "reaffirmation" happened because of the people (including lots of woke leftists with Pundit Derangement Syndrome) who attacked Taylor Lane on r/OSR for daring to show up on Dollipop's youtube livestream with ME.
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2022, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: Omega on January 19, 2022, 06:27:42 PM
Give it a year and the OSR will have been co-opted even more that it already has.
Anyone who thought this would never happen was deluding themselves. Any bastion of resistance must be infiltrated and converted to the cult.
The OSR is decentralized. You can co-op reddit all you want, the rest of the OSR will just shrug and go on their merry way.
Almost no one from the real OSR is on r/OSR. I hadn't even posted on Reddit at all for over 3 years until today.
Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on January 20, 2022, 09:53:26 AM
Where is the good osr discourse found?
The Inglorious OSR group on MeWe. Also, the regular OSR group on Mewe isn't too bad either.
Quote from: DeadVerySoon on January 20, 2022, 12:56:51 PM
Yes, elsewhere, this is clarified. The quote I posted suggested to my mind that the rule was "no politics at all", but that is not the case.
Yes, that is not the case.
We'd be unable to discuss fictional politics in campaign settings if that were the case.
What Pundit does not allow, is hijacking an RPG thread into a discussion about real world politics and/or the culture war. Sometimes he's not consistent, or it goes on for quite a while until he lays down a warning, but it's generally a safe rule to follow, for example, to not turn "Is D&D sexist" into a discussion about cultural marxism in popular culture.
Though I find the two topics drift into each other eventually, and then Pundit gets pissed off.
Quote from: World_Warrior on January 19, 2022, 08:20:16 PM
They already tried this and it didn't work out so well. Then they created SWORD DREAM. That didn't work out so well either. Probably because the culture of the OSR is only interested in gaming as a whole, and not worried about using a gaming hobby as a platform for social justice.
With no centralized platform or control of the OSR movement, all efforts are doomed to fail, no matter how hard they try.
Except it has worked and gradually they have expanded their foothold and if unchecked will continue to expand that foothold until the OSR is just another cult indoctrination platform.
People keep saying that not being centralized somehow shields the OSR from being taken over. But we've seen time and again all they do then is just take out individuals until they are controlling the narrative enough the holdouts are drown out.
Just like they do with forums. Forums have no centralized platform either and yet they have co-opted what feels like 75% or more now in one form or another and currently hold sway over at least three of the biggest. BGG, En-World and The Other Place. And many second and third tier forums.
Quote from: Omega on January 20, 2022, 03:56:13 PM
Quote from: World_Warrior on January 19, 2022, 08:20:16 PM
They already tried this and it didn't work out so well. Then they created SWORD DREAM. That didn't work out so well either. Probably because the culture of the OSR is only interested in gaming as a whole, and not worried about using a gaming hobby as a platform for social justice.
With no centralized platform or control of the OSR movement, all efforts are doomed to fail, no matter how hard they try.
Except it has worked and gradually they have expanded their foothold and if unchecked will continue to expand that foothold until the OSR is just another cult indoctrination platform.
People keep saying that not being centralized somehow shields the OSR from being taken over. But we've seen time and again all they do then is just take out individuals until they are controlling the narrative enough the holdouts are drown out.
Just like they do with forums. Forums have no centralized platform either and yet they have co-opted what feels like 75% or more now in one form or another and currently hold sway over at least three of the biggest. BGG, En-World and The Other Place. And many second and third tier forums.
Forums are platforms. You can take them over, assuming the owners acquiesce.
The OSR is not a platform, and if a platform they're using turns to shit, they'll leave.
The best thing about r/osr is that Charlotte Stokely occasionally posts there, and she comes across as a genuine sweetheart.
If you don't know who Charlotte Stokely is, you can Google her. But don't do it at work.
Has she ever posted here?
In this a day and age, any community or institution which isn't overtly conservative and/or right wing will soon become taken over by the left and become overtly left wing. How many online forums have we seen this happen with? How many corporations have gone this way. I can see it happening with r/osr just like almost every other place online where people can discuss RPGs.
Quote from: ShieldWife on January 20, 2022, 11:51:18 PM
In this a day and age, any community or institution which isn't overtly conservative and/or right wing will soon become taken over by the left and become overtly left wing. How many online forums have we seen this happen with? How many corporations have gone this way. I can see it happening with r/osr just like almost every other place online where people can discuss RPGs.
That's the opposite of the meme that any site without censorship will inevitably become right wing, because left wing thought can't survive in the free marketplace of ideas.
Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on January 20, 2022, 09:53:26 AM
Where is the good osr discourse found?
/tg/ does have good discussion. Yeah, it comes with typical image board baggage (and freedoms) but there are gems to be had. The /osrg/ threads in particular.
QuoteThat's the opposite of the meme that any site without censorship will inevitably become right wing, because left wing thought can't survive in the free marketplace of ideas.
Any siste without censorship will inevitably become shitstorm or maybe even craponado ;)
Quote from: Wrath of God on January 21, 2022, 09:20:13 AM
QuoteThat's the opposite of the meme that any site without censorship will inevitably become right wing, because left wing thought can't survive in the free marketplace of ideas.
Any siste without censorship will inevitably become shitstorm or maybe even craponado ;)
And that is precisely what you have here.
Quote from: Crusader X on January 20, 2022, 05:00:24 PM
The best thing about r/osr is that Charlotte Stokely occasionally posts there, and she comes across as a genuine sweetheart.
If you don't know who Charlotte Stokely is, you can Google her. But don't do it at work.
I googled her and am now going to check out some more of her, erm, work. I may be some time :)
Quote from: Skullking on January 21, 2022, 11:22:53 AM
Quote from: Crusader X on January 20, 2022, 05:00:24 PM
The best thing about r/osr is that Charlotte Stokely occasionally posts there, and she comes across as a genuine sweetheart.
If you don't know who Charlotte Stokely is, you can Google her. But don't do it at work.
I googled her and am now going to check out some more of her, erm, work. I may be some time :)
Pass me the hand soap....
Ignored Very Soon!
Anyone need some Kleenex? I've got spares...
Quote from: DeadVerySoon on January 20, 2022, 12:20:59 PM
I've only recently joined this forum, and it appears as if the rules quite literally are not enforced, specifically the "no political discussions" prohibition. What's up with that?
This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.
It's because it can be used as a fulcrum to leverage disruption. However it is hard to discuss anything relating to humans interacting without discussing "who gets what, when, where, why, and how, (politics)". And given RPGs are inherently social, as are businesses -- including independent cottage industries trying to get product to people -- it is technically an impossibility to completely avoid.
Thus a grey area is assumed and the rest of each case has to rely on authority and judgment. So that's why Pundit allows those topics that necessarily overlap with games, both in play and production, to get patience. Since he pays the website bills and is responsible in case anything culpable occurs, he gets the veto power = he gets the authority to use his judgment. He also delegates because he is finite, like all mortals.
With the responsibility comes the power, with the respected restraint in judgment comes the trust. Surprisingly reminiscent of RPGs, too. :D
Is it perfect? Well, what on earth is? ;) Does it work well enough to tamp down on disruption while allowing complex gaming issues to be discussed? Yes. And like everything it will have a flavor all its own that cannot be palateable to all. :)
That said, it is far more restrained than its social media reputation. Everyone seems to be agitating everywhere online, but there really is a lot more congeniality than not in the world among good faith actors otherwise it all wouldn't work. Most people can handle disagreement and difference, even with some growing pains. And that restraint allows people to pop their top and yet come back and try again; from that humane allowance to human frailty we get richer interaction.
:) And thank you for trying again.
Quote from: Crusader X on January 20, 2022, 05:00:24 PM
The best thing about r/osr is that Charlotte Stokely occasionally posts there, and she comes across as a genuine sweetheart.
If you don't know who Charlotte Stokely is, you can Google her. But don't do it at work.
Has she ever posted here?
Is Charlotte one of those who plays with Zak S?
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on January 21, 2022, 04:46:33 PM
Is Charlotte one of those who plays with Zak S?
Yes. Zak is her DM, and she's been playing D&D for around 10 years now, I believe. She's one of the D&D With Porn Stars crew.
Its funny because most of r/osr seem to hate Zak with a passion, but I'm sure the mods and posters over there know who she is. She's nothing but sweet and friendly in her posts, but she mentions and praises her DM now and then (but not by name). So I can just imagine the Zak-hating zealots there not being sure what to make of her. But she seems like a cool chick.
Quote from: Crusader X on January 21, 2022, 05:10:56 PM
Yes. Zak is her DM, and she's been playing D&D for around 10 years now, I believe. She's one of the D&D With Porn Stars crew.
Its funny because most of r/osr seem to hate Zak with a passion, but I'm sure the mods and posters over there know who she is. She's nothing but sweet and friendly in her posts, but she mentions and praises her DM now and then (but not by name). So I can just imagine the Zak-hating zealots there not being sure what to make of her. But she seems like a cool chick.
see, that's my thought too. I thought I saw Zak S in one of the pics she posted. But since she's a female adult entertainer they won't say boo to her. They probably all just wish it was them 'playing' with her.