Did r/osr just go woke?

DeadVerySoon · January 20, 2022, 12:56:51 PM

Yes, elsewhere, this is clarified. The quote I posted suggested to my mind that the rule was "no politics at all", but that is not the case.

Rob Necronomicon · January 20, 2022, 12:58:21 PM

Quote from: DeadVerySoon on January 20, 2022, 12:56:51 PM
Yes, elsewhere, this is clarified. The quote I posted suggested to my mind that the rule was "no politics at all", but that is not the case.

And again, why are you so concerned about this I wonder? Hm..

Thorn Drumheller · January 20, 2022, 01:31:10 PM

Quote from: DeadVerySoon on January 20, 2022, 12:56:51 PM
Yes, elsewhere, this is clarified. The quote I posted suggested to my mind that the rule was "no politics at all", but that is not the case.

I'm curious what is considered politics honestly. I mean I know that can cover myriad different things. If politics is defined like TBP or reddit defines it then yeah, I guess there's violations. But the beauty about this site is you can mention Zak S without coping a ban (not the only example but an easy one). You don't have to like Pundit/Venger and be on this site. Just be an adult (I know that's asking a lot sometimes)

I'd say most of us are adult enough and been around enough to know when that line is crossed (that's ambiguous maybe to some thinking). We have regulars that regularly piss each other off but it doesn't end in banning (unless you push pundit too far like the afore mentioned).

Ratman_tf · January 20, 2022, 02:43:49 PM

Quote from: DeadVerySoon on January 20, 2022, 12:20:59 PM
I've only recently joined this forum, and it appears as if the rules quite literally are not enforced, specifically the "no political discussions" prohibition. What's up with that?

This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.

Read the title of this thread, and you may figure it out.

RPGPundit · January 20, 2022, 02:50:23 PM

Quote from: Ravenshire on January 19, 2022, 12:30:50 PM
Here is the link to the post that is pinned to the subreddit by the mods there

https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/s7bq1j/reaffirming_rosrs_support_for_diversity/

Ironically, it sure looks like this "reaffirmation" happened because of the people (including lots of woke leftists with Pundit Derangement Syndrome) who attacked Taylor Lane on r/OSR for daring to show up on Dollipop's youtube livestream with ME.

RPGPundit · January 20, 2022, 02:52:28 PM

Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2022, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: Omega on January 19, 2022, 06:27:42 PM
Give it a year and the OSR will have been co-opted even more that it already has.

Anyone who thought this would never happen was deluding themselves. Any bastion of resistance must be infiltrated and converted to the cult.
The OSR is decentralized. You can co-op reddit all you want, the rest of the OSR will just shrug and go on their merry way.

Almost no one from the real OSR is on r/OSR. I hadn't even posted on Reddit at all for over 3 years until today.

RPGPundit · January 20, 2022, 02:54:09 PM

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on January 20, 2022, 09:53:26 AM
Where is the good osr discourse found?

The Inglorious OSR group on MeWe. Also, the regular OSR group on Mewe isn't too bad either.

Ratman_tf · January 20, 2022, 02:55:39 PM

Quote from: DeadVerySoon on January 20, 2022, 12:56:51 PM
Yes, elsewhere, this is clarified. The quote I posted suggested to my mind that the rule was "no politics at all", but that is not the case.

Yes, that is not the case.

We'd be unable to discuss fictional politics in campaign settings if that were the case.

What Pundit does not allow, is hijacking an RPG thread into a discussion about real world politics and/or the culture war. Sometimes he's not consistent, or it goes on for quite a while until he lays down a warning, but it's generally a safe rule to follow, for example, to not turn "Is D&D sexist" into a discussion about cultural marxism in popular culture.
Though I find the two topics drift into each other eventually, and then Pundit gets pissed off.

Omega · January 20, 2022, 03:56:13 PM

Quote from: World_Warrior on January 19, 2022, 08:20:16 PM
They already tried this and it didn't work out so well. Then they created SWORD DREAM. That didn't work out so well either. Probably because the culture of the OSR is only interested in gaming as a whole, and not worried about using a gaming hobby as a platform for social justice.

With no centralized platform or control of the OSR movement, all efforts are doomed to fail, no matter how hard they try.

Except it has worked and gradually they have expanded their foothold and if unchecked will continue to expand that foothold until the OSR is just another cult indoctrination platform.

People keep saying that not being centralized somehow shields the OSR from being taken over. But we've seen time and again all they do then is just take out individuals until they are controlling the narrative enough the holdouts are drown out.

Just like they do with forums. Forums have no centralized platform either and yet they have co-opted what feels like 75% or more now in one form or another and currently hold sway over at least three of the biggest. BGG, En-World and The Other Place. And many second and third tier forums.

Pat · January 20, 2022, 04:11:33 PM

Quote from: Omega on January 20, 2022, 03:56:13 PM
Quote from: World_Warrior on January 19, 2022, 08:20:16 PM
They already tried this and it didn't work out so well. Then they created SWORD DREAM. That didn't work out so well either. Probably because the culture of the OSR is only interested in gaming as a whole, and not worried about using a gaming hobby as a platform for social justice.

With no centralized platform or control of the OSR movement, all efforts are doomed to fail, no matter how hard they try.

Except it has worked and gradually they have expanded their foothold and if unchecked will continue to expand that foothold until the OSR is just another cult indoctrination platform.

People keep saying that not being centralized somehow shields the OSR from being taken over. But we've seen time and again all they do then is just take out individuals until they are controlling the narrative enough the holdouts are drown out.

Just like they do with forums. Forums have no centralized platform either and yet they have co-opted what feels like 75% or more now in one form or another and currently hold sway over at least three of the biggest. BGG, En-World and The Other Place. And many second and third tier forums.

Forums are platforms. You can take them over, assuming the owners acquiesce.

The OSR is not a platform, and if a platform they're using turns to shit, they'll leave.

Crusader X · January 20, 2022, 05:00:24 PM

The best thing about r/osr is that Charlotte Stokely occasionally posts there, and she comes across as a genuine sweetheart.

If you don't know who Charlotte Stokely is, you can Google her. But don't do it at work.

Has she ever posted here?

ShieldWife · January 20, 2022, 11:51:18 PM

In this a day and age, any community or institution which isn't overtly conservative and/or right wing will soon become taken over by the left and become overtly left wing. How many online forums have we seen this happen with? How many corporations have gone this way. I can see it happening with r/osr just like almost every other place online where people can discuss RPGs.

Pat · January 21, 2022, 01:53:29 AM

Quote from: ShieldWife on January 20, 2022, 11:51:18 PM
In this a day and age, any community or institution which isn't overtly conservative and/or right wing will soon become taken over by the left and become overtly left wing. How many online forums have we seen this happen with? How many corporations have gone this way. I can see it happening with r/osr just like almost every other place online where people can discuss RPGs.

That's the opposite of the meme that any site without censorship will inevitably become right wing, because left wing thought can't survive in the free marketplace of ideas.

Mind Crime · January 21, 2022, 02:26:14 AM

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on January 20, 2022, 09:53:26 AM
Where is the good osr discourse found?

/tg/ does have good discussion. Yeah, it comes with typical image board baggage (and freedoms) but there are gems to be had. The /osrg/ threads in particular.

Wrath of God · January 21, 2022, 09:20:13 AM

QuoteThat's the opposite of the meme that any site without censorship will inevitably become right wing, because left wing thought can't survive in the free marketplace of ideas.

Any siste without censorship will inevitably become shitstorm or maybe even craponado